I agree with all of it and ideally want Ole to be given another window and judged fully at the end of the season. Regardless of position, if there was some semblance of a style and improvement I would be happy to see him given the summer window.
He knows now exactly what we need and if he is backed and he can get these players, then I can see us improving greatly. If this don't happen, well then he should go.
So, say we repeat the results we've had for the start of the season, no improvement in either performance or results, you would back him again in January regardless?
Whatever manager came in would no doubt face the same difficulties in the transfer side of things but could they improve on field performance in the meantime? I think so.
I think your fear is misplaced, With Moyes, Lvg and Mourinho for all their faults, they never had us anywhere near the relegation zone. That is our current course under Ole, bar some Wigan 2009-2011 miraculous recovery in form, that is precisely where we’re headed.
Think you are getting carried away. We wont be anywhere near the relegation zone by end of season with Ole in charge. If anything we will be around 6th/7th. With adding 2 players in January ( Hopefully) we will climb up the table. IMO.
If you take the results since the PSG match, we would definately be in trouble.
This is my thought also. If current performances / results continue to December we should not allow it to carry on as although some people think relegation is out of the question, our current form is 100% relegation form.
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The worrying thing is that the slide has been sustained for over six months now and if we fall into the relegation dogfight I don't see Ole and this squad pulling out of it or Woodward acting in time to give us a proper chance of survival. Another thing we forget is that every poor season makes the rebuild job even harder for next season because without European football you can't attract top talent.
Seriously, who on this entire forum (other clubs fans aside) is dreaming of that? Ridiculous statement.
I would agree with that statement if I didn't look back at our performances and results since PSG. THis is not a 'this season' thing, it has been going on since March. We have been dreadful or close to it since that night. This is not a blip, this is what we are. That is plenty of time for a manager to at least show he is 'capable' of steering us in the right direction. Has Ole shown us that since his initial run?
exactlytastic AneRu.
Every manager has a long term plan, until they got sacked
Well yes, but this isn't just Ole's plan. It seems he and Woodward are in this together.
Woodward certainly looks a lot more patient with Ole, but results surely can't be ignored at the same time. He's a bigger problem than Ole is, that's the sad thing.
I agree, You don't get relegated in December and there CAN be a big change with a couple of new players in January
Then you don't know Woodward or the Glazers, Woodward will back Ole to the hilt because contractually he has avoid seeming to undermine the manager but when the decision is made in Florida all Woodward will have to do is deliver the message. The Glazers will back Ole until the focus reins in on them and they will offer him up as a sacrificial lamb, right now they are receiving bad press and it will only get worse from here on in especially if Liverpool have their way with us meaning that they will pull the plug. If this form continues, Ole will be gone don't kid yourself.
I hope behind the scenes he realises he's made some mistakes. He's publically talked about the commercial over football agenda which can only be a good thing.
A win against Liverpool this weekend and we might suddenly spring back into life - stranger things have happened. We as fans are always more pessimistic than others, but any team will miss 4 key players to their squad. Take TAA/Firmino/Robertson/Fabinho out of Liverpool and it would look completely differnet.
If the Glazers go above Woodward then fine - but I don't think they will. I think Woodward has more power than you realise, he's a big share holder at the club also.
He also made zero noise about being unhappy with Moyes and Van Gaal to the extent that the former went on to scout Shaw, Herrera and Kroos for next season before he unceremoniously got the sack. Woodward will never be able to challenge the Glazers, they are the reason he is there and even then he is not an idiot. As long as a decision to sack hasn't been made they will have to defend him otherwise he could claim that he was undermined by the board and make compensation negotiations difficult but that is no license to throw away the season because you are on a rebuild, Moyes did that and paid with his career.
Spot on.
I'm not really sure what your point is.
No one knows the future so there is that. On current form sacking him after losing to Liverpool will be completely justified because that would be what, 4 wins in 22? My point is you can't infer from Woodward's words that Ole is safe for the time being when the same people have previously offered the same backing to previous and more qualified managers only to sack them when they least expected it, he is not clearly a long way from the sack. You are putting too much weight on what is just a routine supportive statement that executives roll out in times of crisis.I'm not really sure what your point is.
Yes eventually if they feel Solskjaer isn't up to the job they'll sack him, but he's clearly a long way from that IMO. Some people think he might go if we lose to Liverpool
If he was on the verge of being sacked he wouldn't come out publically and says he's happy. He would keep quiet.
A blip is 6 - 7 matches not 6 - 7 months.
While that's true, the team wasn't performing much better under Jose either. It's clear that it wasn't JUST the manager, the squad needs improving.
As soon as the team started to underperform under Jose, he lost his job.
I don't think anyone is suggesting it is only the manager that is at fault. Anyone who has been a Utd fan for >20 years or so can see that this is by far the worst squad we've had in a very long time.
He has a huge part of it overseeing the last transfer window and that being 'part of the plan'.
I think the main reason was Jose's attitude personally. He fell out with several players, butted heads with the upper management, publically slagged off the club.
Ole's signings were good.
I only agree to a point. I still trace the start of the decline of our squad back to 2009.
Am interested to know, how do you as fans cope with the situation at the club.
He will eventually get the sack at some point this season,the timing is irrelevant.We just have to anoint the right man to succeed him...
The right man being available will be dependent on the timing of his sacking, so I'd disagree there.
You are quite optimistic. What I see weekly with my eyes tell me a different story.
I personally don't think the first eleven is that bad, its 3 players short but when you actually look at it we have the back four covered, two starting midfielders (Pogba and Mctominay) and two positions out of three in attack covered. If we had a top DM, RW and striker (back up or starting depending on how you view Martial) we would be fine for this season's requirements, which is basically a top 4 finish.
