The last two nights of CL football and the levels of "pashun" shown, should be a wake up call to anyone still thinking we'll ever get to that level with guys like Pogba and Rashford in the team.
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Brentford 110km covered vs. 95km Manchester United. Sprint count 90 vs 65 in favor of Brenford too. ETH so far have failed to have them running these bunch of lazy overpaid fecks. Not sure what the preseason was all about then.
15km more ground covered is absolutely shocking
What's the comparison to his Ajax team?
yep. it’s a huge amount. to put it into context, it’s twice as far as maguire has ran in his career.
My local Team, currently topping Polish Ekstraklasa, averages 121km per game. 95 is just lazy
Does anyone have the number for the Brighton game?
It was sizzling hot today, so maybe we coped extraordinarily bad with that
Coped a hell of a lot worse than Brentford. Which is all that matters.
Yeah I know, just meant in comparison to the Polish team the poster I quoted mentioned
Sure I saw a stat that showed they were top of the charts for sprints in the CL.
Neville hit the nail on the head, this United side do not work as a team. A team full of individuals.
I believe this United side does not work at ALL.
Our players are incapable of running, closing down, pressing or getting into physical duels.
It was obvious watching the game that this was happening. There is just no urgency with them, most of them don't care
They looked decent and even somewhat motivated in pre season, took 1 game of competitive football and we're back to this sulking, half arsed jogging around.
No bottle. No desire. 100% a player problem
Three managers and still well behind on the running stats. Can't all be their fault, the players are just lazy bastards.
The players are lazy, we know that and yet we persist with them and play the same players week after week, manager after manager.
Anyone who isn’t working as hard as their opposition number should be dropped, why is it so difficult to comprehend and implement? What am I missing?
Anyone who isn’t working as hard as their opposition number should be dropped, why is it so difficult to comprehend and implement? What am I missing?
The club social media team will be pumping out lots of 'working had in training' and 'looking sharp in training" type videos before once again having me question what exactly we do all week in training to turn out like they haven't kicked a ball together come match day
We've let it devolve to a point where we need to drop 10 players. And will need to drop their 10 replacements next week.
I’m calling them out
Shaw
Dalot
Sancho
Rashford
That’s 4 of our 10 outfield players with no tenacity or urgency to their game and we expect to be winning game.
With wide players that do things at their leisure we’ll get back to the top.
Shaw
Dalot
Sancho
Rashford
That’s 4 of our 10 outfield players with no tenacity or urgency to their game and we expect to be winning game.
With wide players that do things at their leisure we’ll get back to the top.
Shaw and Dalot both need to be binned from the back 4 permanently.
Rashford should also be embarrassed. He's putting in a disgraceful amount of effort.
The less said about Ronaldo, the better.
Rashford should also be embarrassed. He's putting in a disgraceful amount of effort.
The less said about Ronaldo, the better.
It's not just the work rate of our players, we must also on average have one of the slowest and least agile teams in the PL. I think the commentators today said that we didn't win a single second ball in the entire first half, absolutely abysmal.
With every team pretty much pressing us these days this is just a horrible combination, the squad from back to front has just been assembled wrong.
With every team pretty much pressing us these days this is just a horrible combination, the squad from back to front has just been assembled wrong.
The off the ball movement is abysmal when compared with the majority of the league.
I'd expect us to keep the ball better and consequently run less, but that sprint stat is absolutely damning.
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard,
I'd expect us to keep the ball better and consequently run less, but that sprint stat is absolutely damning.
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard,
Whats workrate?
2 games into the season under a new manager, you'd think they would be up for it
Sick of it. How many seasons now? Half arsed, jogging around the pitch... Don't know if they're lazy or just don't give a shit, probably both.
Why do they keep getting picked though? Get them binned - starting with Shaw & Rashford.
Why do they keep getting picked though? Get them binned - starting with Shaw & Rashford.
Ronaldo, Sancho and Rashford has to be the laziest front three in the world. They all think they are Messi, lurking around up top waiting to look special.
An old friend, now long gone.
Never known a top level team to be so lazy. The effort this group puts in is disgusting, and has been for a long time.
Takes me back to McTominay bigging himself/the team up about being the fittest they've been. Bunch of posers. 
It is a basic 101. This has to be the starting point to even try and implement a progressive style of football and try and move forward. Players who won’t run/ can’t run, need to be dropped. Players who won’t fight/ can’t fight need to be dropped. Players who lack courage/ don’t have it, need to be dropped. If you can’t fight for the badge/ won’t fight for the badge, leave. There is clearly a cultural issue within this group that in any other walk of life would be addressed by going back to basics.
This is why the fight against ownership and holding these players: staff to account are two fold. These players clearly don’t need any excuse to put in lethargic, half arsed shameful performances.
The argument to play the kids generally comes from a viewpoint at least they will show hunger and desire to compete. We may lose some ability on the ball but the established players are hardly pulling up trees.
A change in leadership is clear within this group, whilst Maguire shouldn’t be scapegoated, it sets a new precedent that mediocre performances won’t be tolerated
This is why the fight against ownership and holding these players: staff to account are two fold. These players clearly don’t need any excuse to put in lethargic, half arsed shameful performances.
The argument to play the kids generally comes from a viewpoint at least they will show hunger and desire to compete. We may lose some ability on the ball but the established players are hardly pulling up trees.
A change in leadership is clear within this group, whilst Maguire shouldn’t be scapegoated, it sets a new precedent that mediocre performances won’t be tolerated
Fantastic. We need to regularly hit high numbers in this regard. Loved out intensity today. We were winning all the loose balls in the first half as opposed losing them all against Brighton.
It shouldn't be this simple but it just is and makes you wonder what the likes of Ole were telling them.
95k compared to 113k is the equivalent to having an extra 2 players.
I don't think it's all down to laziness. Players like Maguire and Shaw just move extremely slowly and spend a lot of time standing still thinking about where they should move to next. That means other players can't run because they are waiting on the trigger to go and by the time they get it the space isn't there.
Although also in the case of rashford and sancho they literally did just work harder.
Football is such a weird sport because despite it being elite level you frequently get this situation where teams and players improve by just suddenly running about more or putting more effort in, and it's like the trick to being a good manager is convincing players to do this consistently.
Any other sport at the top level you just don't see teams or individuals lumbering about in the first place.
95k compared to 113k is the equivalent to having an extra 2 players.
I don't think it's all down to laziness. Players like Maguire and Shaw just move extremely slowly and spend a lot of time standing still thinking about where they should move to next. That means other players can't run because they are waiting on the trigger to go and by the time they get it the space isn't there.
Although also in the case of rashford and sancho they literally did just work harder.
Football is such a weird sport because despite it being elite level you frequently get this situation where teams and players improve by just suddenly running about more or putting more effort in, and it's like the trick to being a good manager is convincing players to do this consistently.
Any other sport at the top level you just don't see teams or individuals lumbering about in the first place.
They ran that much did they?
To me it seems they were stood still playing 'Statues' for the last 25 mins
In football you have to earn the right to play by competing. It’s great to be super talented but without fight it’s worthless.
Sounds like an excuse but fatigue seems to have hit. Must have been running on fumes and vibes until the Scouse sucker punch.
I would like to see stats of 50/50 balls or winning 2nd balls, seems like it would be a wash