Would Everton going down be the defining story of this season?

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Would it be more significant than say Arsenal winning the title if it actually happened?
 

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Not in terms of this season but in terms of English football, perhaps. New stadium on the horizon, one of the most succesful clubs in the history of England, the loss of the Merseyside derby, possible further dark times ahead. I do think it is more significant and impactful to the club and PL for us going down compared to when Newcastle and Villa did purely because of the surrounding narratives.
 

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Not in terms of this season but in terms of English football, perhaps. New stadium on the horizon, one of the most succesful clubs in the history of England, the loss of the Merseyside derby, possible further dark times ahead. I do think it is more significant and impactful to the club and PL for us going down compared to when Newcastle and Villa did purely because of the surrounding narratives.
I think so too. Second most consecutive seasons in top flight football too.
 

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If it was a relative surprise then maybe, but like with Villa it's been coming for a few years to the point it's almost prepared people if that makes sense.
 

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Not even close to being bigger than arsenal winning the title. People tend to assign too much weight to history in football, no one will really care that much if Everton go down, just like no one really cared about forest coming back up, regardless of them being historically big, football moves on
 

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It'll be shocking sure, for English citizen.

To us outside of Europe however see this as entertainment.
 

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It'll be shocking sure, for English citizen.

To us outside of Europe however see this as entertainment.
Most people outside England will barely take notice. Everton have a rich history, sure, but they've been a mid-table side throughout football's global explosion.
 

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The same thoughts when Leeds, Newcastle, west ham, villa went down. No ones too big. Everton have been skirting it for years now
 

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Exactly, the media (as always) will define the narrative and Arsenal potentially winning the title with a former Pep disciple having taking a few deemed unwanted City players to finally disrupt the recent top 2 teams in the PL is way better a narrative to play on.
 

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Would it be more significant than say Arsenal winning the title if it actually happened?
Nah I don't think many people would have been shocked at the prospect of Everton going down at the start of the season for a variety of reasons (ownership, management, losing Richarlison etc) but a lot of people would have laughed at anyone suggesting Arsenal to win the title (Just check out the Arsenal/ Arteta threads).
 

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They'll survive. Its still early in the season and all it takes is a couple of good results to get them out of the hole. New manager bounce at Arsenal is my prediction.

And if they go down and Arsenal win the title, Arsenal would be the bigger story.
 

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I wouldn’t have thought so given they only just escaped last season. Arsenal winning the league could also be framed in terms of Liverpool and City having disappointing seasons too. The story of the season could be Brighton or Fulham qualifying for Europe?
 

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I wouldn’t have thought so given they only just escaped last season. Arsenal winning the league could also be framed in terms of Liverpool and City having disappointing seasons too. The story of the season could be Brighton or Fulham qualifying for Europe?
I think Everton fall into that story of Brighton qualifying for Europe, Brentford doing well and Arsenal winning the league. They are all part of the same story of clubs who are structured well and clubs that most certainly are not. The future of football is having a DoF, Technical director, manager and owner/chairman that all follow the same page and ethos of a club.
 

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If Im the head of Everton recruiting and they go down, I am not mentioning that job anywhere on my resume going forward. In fact Id just pretend I never worked there today. That squad should not be doing THAT poorly
 

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If Im the head of Everton recruiting and they go down, I am not mentioning that job anywhere on my resume going forward. In fact Id just pretend I never worked there today. That squad should not be doing THAT poorly
I think the problem is that we don't really know what is going on with recruitment pre-Thelwell (even with him) because there are conflicting reports between what DoFs wanted, what managers wanted and what Moshiri wanted. It seems like some players are being signed by Moshiri, some by the DoF and some by the manager which is a chaotic and stupid way to run a football club. Recent cases of this are getting rid of Digne because Benitez didn't like him and sacking him weeks later. Brands wanting Dumfries/Livramento but Benitez rejected them. Brands suggested Diaz (at Liverpool now) when he was at Porto and we rejected that for Rodriguez/Ancelotti before getting rid of Rodriguez the next summer because he isn't a Benitez player. Godfrey signed under Ancelotti who didn't know anything about him and said it was a club signing while also being asked about Garbutt at the club and not knowing who he is. It's funny at the time but embarassing to not have the connectivity throughout the club and knowing what's going on. It's just a mess.
 

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Everton with other bigger clubs clubs going down with them could be the story like Southampton and the so called smaller clubs higher up the table. Leeds or West Ham could get dragged in to make it a threesome but it's looking like Bournemouth.

There's a lot of London clubs in the league, it would be nice to reduce them. Clubs like Arsenal/Spurs don't have to travel far for many their games now.
 

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No. Are Everton bigger than Villa and Forest? Not for me, and the former two have European Cups in their cabinets, Everton don't.

Both Villa and Forest went down and not many batted an eyelid. This myth that Everton are this gigantic club needs to end. They're a big club, sure. But they're not too big to go down.
 

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I was thinking last season when Everton were in relegation danger that considering they’d continuously been in the top flight since the mid 50s, hadn’t previously faced serious relegation danger since 2003/2004, and had spent fortunes on transfer fees and wages, them potentially going down would comfortably be the biggest relegation story in the Premier League era at least above:

- Forest in 1992/1993 in Clough’s final season.
- Us in 1998/1999 just 4 years after winning the title, but just 7 years after getting promoted.
- Leeds in 2003/2004, on the 3 year anniversary of their CL semi-final, but with them narrowly avoiding relegation the previous season.
- Newcastle in 2008/2009 - their lack of effort and fight in their final game against Villa was shocking - they played as if it was meaningless final day game before the summer holidays.
- Villa in 2015/2016 - they circled the drain and finished 15th / 16th 4 years in a row beforehand, so their luck ran out - at least Sunderland’s narrow escapes year after year before their own luck ran out the next season were more exciting.

Given that this is their 69th straight season in the top flight, them going down if it happens would still be a big deal, but of course not as big as their struggles were last season given their seemingly terminal decline, the fact that they are so badly run etc.
 

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Would it be more significant than say Arsenal winning the title if it actually happened?
Not if they manage to sustain this form and become the third club to reach 100 points (or was it 99 points).
 

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Arsenal winning the EPL with that cringe motherfecking manager will be defining this season.
Liverpool maybe finishing outside the top6 will be as well.

Who the hell gives a feck about Everton going down? They hired a shit manager, bought shit players and should be going down on merit.
 

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Like others have alluded to, I'd rather see a London club go down if possible.

7 of the bastards in the league already, but only West Ham and Palace (most likely safe) conceivably in the danger zone of the table, that seems unlikely.

Like Leeds back in the day I can't wrap my head around Everton not being in the PL. But with such gross mismanagement at corporate level, it wouldn't surprise anyone if they succumb and drop down. There aren't many clubs run worse than United have been for the last decade in respect of pure wastage, but Everton are up there.
 

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Not in terms of this season but in terms of English football, perhaps. New stadium on the horizon, one of the most succesful clubs in the history of England, the loss of the Merseyside derby, possible further dark times ahead. I do think it is more significant and impactful to the club and PL for us going down compared to when Newcastle and Villa did purely because of the surrounding narratives.
Indeed. Everton have spent 120/124 seasons in the top flight. Lot of people won't care but that's a big story in its own right in the history of English football.

Was beyond stupid not to sack Lampard before/during the World Cup break. Now a potential replacement won't have any time to bring players in (on loan, probably with the state of your finances) or implement their methods, particularly if you bring in Bielsa.
 

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It's been on the card for years. And if it doesnt happen this season, it will next. So in that sense, not really much of an impact at all.
 

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Arsenal have won the PL three times before. Everton have never been relegated from it. So yes.
 

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There’s nothing in it yet. They could be out of the bottom 3 with just 1 win :lol: What about if west ham or wolves go down? Which is still a possibility, they’ve established them selves in the prem and they both have decent teams and players that some of the top 6 in the prem may be interested in.
 

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There’s nothing in it yet. They could be out of the bottom 3 with just 1 win :lol: What about if west ham or wolves go down? Which is still a possibility, they’ve established them selves in the prem and they both have decent teams and players that some of the top 6 in the prem may be interested in.
West ham have been down a few times tbf. It's kinda expected.

Wolves I don't think anyone gives a single feck about.
 

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West ham have been down a few times tbf. It's kinda expected.

Wolves I don't think anyone gives a single feck about.
I know but the point was there only 3 points from 14th, so anyone from Leicester can still go down. Everton’s squad is a lot worse than the likes of West Ham/wolves and Leicester aswell. If Everton go down, there wouldn’t be any played I’d want from there team, West Ham and wolves have a few decent players that could move to a top prem team.
 

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I don't get the it's been coming for years posts when in the last 20 years, aside from last season our lowest position has been 12th and even then we were 15 points safe. Relegation has never been a serious threat or possibility until last season.

You could say that it's been evident for years we wouldn't be anything other than a mid table side if we didn't sort something out at the club but the real threat of relegation began when we started to offload all our creative players and goalscorers which was funnily enough from the start of last season.
 
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I know but the point was there only 3 points from 14th, so anyone from Leicester can still go down. Everton’s squad is a lot worse than the likes of West Ham/wolves and Leicester aswell. If Everton go down, there wouldn’t be any played I’d want from there team, West Ham and wolves have a few decent players that could move to a top prem team.
Meh, I don't think that's too interesting story wise.

I was thinking along the lines of a netflix documentary worthy story. Everton ending up relegated would be a massive story in the historical context of English topflight football.
 
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