Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?


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romufc

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Certainly should keep them and hope things improve. It did look better in the last 4 games after the break for everyone. Maybe we worked on something that helped or it was just getting some rest and Bruno into the team that gave us a boost. Maguire getting some goals should probably help his confidence too. Our poor set pieces have been interesting given that it should help having Maguire around for them.
The problem is that we have looked good in 4 games before and then fallen off a cliff. Hence certain fans are vary of the resurgence.

I agree on the set pieces, how we are so poor at both ends of the box is beyond me. Ideally we should be really dominant considering we have Maguire, Matic, AWB, McTominay in our team.
 

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The problem is that we have looked good in 4 games before and then fallen off a cliff. Hence certain fans are vary of the resurgence.

I agree on the set pieces, how we are so poor at both ends of the box is beyond me. Ideally we should be really dominant considering we have Maguire, Matic, AWB, McTominay in our team.
Yeah the Corona virus hit us at a very bad time. We had great momentum for once and a chance to win two cups as well.
I can't see the EL starting again so it is just the league if it starts.
Pogba and Rashford back could be good though. Although might take time to get them ready to play at peak level.
 

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Yeah the Corona virus hit us at a very bad time. We had great momentum for once and a chance to win two cups as well.
I can't see the EL starting again so it is just the league if it starts.
Pogba and Rashford back could be good though. Although might take time to get them ready to play at peak level.
UEFA have stated they want the CL and EL completed in August.

I think it will take time for all players to get to peak, 2 months off is best part of the summer break. I hope we can start with real rhythm
 

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Maguires reacton time is pretty low. He gets turned pretty easily at times. If we want to play more expansive it could be a problem with less shielding from midfield if Pogba plays over Mctominay/Fred.
AWB is probably not the best right back in the league. He has a long way to go. Pereira, Walker and TAA has been better. Azpilicueta as a right back maybe too.
In terms of pure defending he is up there with his speed and power. Although he needs to read the game better at times.
We need a right winger for sure if James is not going to improve much. Greenwood might step up too hopefully.

The problem is not with what we got, but what we have not got. We still lack attacking options even if we now got a number 10 in Bruno.
I’m sorry but there’s no evidence of this with regards to Maguire. I cannot think of a single instance he’s been turned easily. Can you tell me who we were playing against and when this happened because I’m calling this out. Show me an example.

AWB is the best defensive RB I’ve seen in the last 10+ years for United and if you watch him in game you’ll see he’s good with his feet always available and is much better offensively than given credit for. He’s not picking up assists left right and centre but that’s not his job in our current set up. Reading the game better sounds vague to me again any examples?

I agree with your last points about RW and the issues now being more what we don’t have then what we do. We have a good basis of a first XI now and the squad needs adding too but there isn’t much I’d take away from the first XI.
 

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In fact look at our clubs stats for this season...

Maguire most passes 1824
Maguire most aerial battles won 136
Maguire most clearances 132
Maguire joint most interceptions with AWB 53
Maguire 0 errors leading to goal

Seems to react well to me...
 

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I’m sorry but there’s no evidence of this with regards to Maguire. I cannot think of a single instance he’s been turned easily. Can you tell me who we were playing against and when this happened because I’m calling this out. Show me an example.

AWB is the best defensive RB I’ve seen in the last 10+ years for United and if you watch him in game you’ll see he’s good with his feet always available and is much better offensively than given credit for. He’s not picking up assists left right and centre but that’s not his job in our current set up. Reading the game better sounds vague to me again any examples?

I agree with your last points about RW and the issues now being more what we don’t have then what we do. We have a good basis of a first XI now and the squad needs adding too but there isn’t much I’d take away from the first XI.
I think against Liverpool it did happen for sure on the counter. It was in the last game at Anfield. I think it did happen against City too in the second cup game. Hard games and teams though. Normally we have shielded our central defenders well to not be very exposed in 1vs1. Just do feel like Lindelöf is quicker and better to deal with those situations if they should happen.

No specific example just feeling he do not always know when to bomb forward and who to pick a pass too. He reads his tackles well though.
 

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I think against Liverpool it did happen for sure on the counter. It was in the last game at Anfield. I think it did happen against City too in the second cup game. Hard games and teams though. Normally we have shielded our central defenders well to not be very exposed in 1vs1. Just do feel like Lindelöf is quicker and better to deal with those situations if they should happen.

No specific example just feeling he do not always know when to bomb forward and who to pick a pass too. He reads his tackles well though.
Reactions and speed are very different though I think that’s what I take issue with. I don’t see any evidence in those two instances of poor reactions to situations perhaps a lack of physical speed absolutely so reframe it as being slower then I’d agree. But where I still disagree is the idea of easily being turned. He doesn’t get turned easily as you first said. If there are only two instances in the season against excellent opposition with let’s face it a weaker United without a fixed DM then you can’t say easily. You could say against the best in the league he’s shown a potential weakness but that also comes with the caveat that he’s still topping our defensive charts in key areas which we’ve struggled with.

I agree Lindelof is quicker and more able to make lateral movements which make him better suited as a 1v1 against a dribbler but Maguire holds his own and I think you’ve been overly harsh in your wording.

Again I’d disagree he does get forward the issue for me down the RW is there isn’t the consistent forward player. AWB has had James, Greenwood, Mata, Lingard, Pereira Rashford, Chong etc in rotation so developing an understanding of when to go is more challenging but he is able to carry the ball very well and recover well. I think personally I’d hold judgement until next season where hopefully you’d have a solid RW in place to support.
 

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Compare what we have today - with what we had 18 months ago - and it should be a no-brainer. Maybe he will prove not to be good enough to take United to the top, but at the moment he is making the job a hell of a lot easier for whoever is in charge in 12 months.
I agree..
 

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You keep Ole. People use his inexperience against him. But we've had experienced people come in and they ballsed it up. We're going in the right direction. We're a young squad but we've options. We're short but we've made good signings. The club maybe should have bought Bruno in the summer but I think we are seeing a healthier state forming. Oles the man for the job for me. The squad appear happy. We've seen improvements in various players. We've bought well and yes certainly Bruno has added quality in a key area for us. Where we needed quality, because Mata and Lingard, Andreas (at the minute) can't produce the numbers. For me, it's a non brainer at this point. I think we struggled early in the season but would have done better with a fit Pogba and/or Bruno from the start. The old United used to be you score 3 we score 4. The problem was we were leaking goals without enough quality going forward. We have that now but of course we need more
 

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It's amazing how much my opinion has changed, a few months ago I wanted him gone but now I'm content with him sticking around and seeing how he continues to rebuild the squad.
 

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I do find it funny how many people have switched. It’s almost like a manager needs time to make significant changes and you do need quality investments to develop.
 

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The problem with some people today is that they want things to happen immediately, they are not prepared to wait a year or two for things to develop. Not one manager can go into a club and get everything running their way from the first day (admittedly there can be a new manager spike, as with Ole, but then that tails off), even SAF took three years before he had HIS team at Old Trafford, and started to win things, the same with Pep and Klopp. You can see where Ole has started to create his vision of how he feels the club should be run, starting with the academy, the path from academy to first team, and with the first team itself (all within 12 months of being the manager). My gut feeling is that everything feels right about the club now (apart from the owners and Ed, but to be fair to them, the decisions the club has made during the Covid outbreak have been exemplary), there are very good younger players coming through, who can see a path to the first team (although only a handful will make it here), some of the so called 'deadwood' have been moved on (still ongoing), and the signings made have all worked well (James was always going to be a gamble, and possibly a year or two before he develops into what they hope for). A lot of posters point to the fact that Ole is not 'experienced enough' to get the club back to where it belongs, but he is learning every day, as is the coaching staff, and with SAF and Phelan to fall back on, and with new ideas that always comes with a new management system, I see a lot of positives. We have gone down the 'experienced' route twice now, and we all now where that took us. There obviously will be decisions made over Pogba, Ighalo, Sancho, Grealish, Saul etc over the coming weeks/months, but I have full confidence in Ole to get those decisions right, and to get this club back to competing at the very top.
 

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Reactions and speed are very different though I think that’s what I take issue with. I don’t see any evidence in those two instances of poor reactions to situations perhaps a lack of physical speed absolutely so reframe it as being slower then I’d agree. But where I still disagree is the idea of easily being turned. He doesn’t get turned easily as you first said. If there are only two instances in the season against excellent opposition with let’s face it a weaker United without a fixed DM then you can’t say easily. You could say against the best in the league he’s shown a potential weakness but that also comes with the caveat that he’s still topping our defensive charts in key areas which we’ve struggled with.

I agree Lindelof is quicker and more able to make lateral movements which make him better suited as a 1v1 against a dribbler but Maguire holds his own and I think you’ve been overly harsh in your wording.

Again I’d disagree he does get forward the issue for me down the RW is there isn’t the consistent forward player. AWB has had James, Greenwood, Mata, Lingard, Pereira Rashford, Chong etc in rotation so developing an understanding of when to go is more challenging but he is able to carry the ball very well and recover well. I think personally I’d hold judgement until next season where hopefully you’d have a solid RW in place to support.

On the Maguire thing, I agree that he isn't the quickest but I think he's suffered due to not having an adequate partner,, with pace to complement him and how little protection the defense had from midfield for much of this season.

Let's not forget either that it's his first season at the club. I'd be confident he will improve and (maybe foolishly) I'm hopefully Bailey can get back to his best and be consistent with it as on form I think he'd be an excellent partner for Maguire.

I'd also agree the team is crying out for a proper RW but that's not exactly news.

I'd also echoe what others have said, in that the thread is kind of moot now as with all of the upheaval of the Covid situation there's very little chance he'll be sacked especially given the, albeit brief, turn-around in form.

It really was a pity as things looked to have finally clicked into place.
 

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On the Maguire thing, I agree that he isn't the quickest but I think he's suffered due to not having an adequate partner,, with pace to complement him and how little protection the defense had from midfield for much of this season.

Let's not forget either that it's his first season at the club. I'd be confident he will improve and (maybe foolishly) I'm hopefully Bailey can get back to his best and be consistent with it as on form I think he'd be an excellent partner for Maguire.

I'd also agree the team is crying out for a proper RW but that's not exactly news.

I'd also echoe what others have said, in that the thread is kind of moot now as with all of the upheaval of the Covid situation there's very little chance he'll be sacked especially given the, albeit brief, turn-around in form.

It really was a pity as things looked to have finally clicked into place.
I disagree with the midfield protection. I think that has been our strongest point this season. Matic, Mctominay and Fred hasve given very good protection. Particular in some of the big games.
It could get worse if we say play with Pogba deep in midfield.
We did see against Sheffield and Villa how bad it could be with Pereira in midfield though. Maguire really struggled in those games without the extra protection.

Will be interesting to see how things change now when we start again. It just feels like a new season is going to come.
I personally do not think we would have got top 4. Although I do think we might have won the EL. We showed great european form and the opponents left were not the strongest.
 

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Its unbeliveable that some fans dont see the great job Ole have done. I bet those who actually watch the game every week, following the team real close, are in favour of letting him finish the rebuild before they judge him. We have allready tested two world class super experienced managers, who did not fix it. I say give Ole the time to get at least 4 more top players, and then a full season, befor we judge him.
 
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