Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole end of season & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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That's a pretty low target, especially looking at Leicester and Chelsea. Keeping him might be like keeping Mourinho in 2018 when we finished second, but most people knew it was going nowhere.

It just should not be about finishing fourth or reaching CL. That's how a stupid club acts.
I don't get what you mean. Leicester and Chelsea had the same targets.
 

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He bloody brought them you joker. This is what we use to excuse Mourinho for. Don’t bring up stuff like this.. there’s better excuses than that.
I’m not defending him. I don’t think the depth is good enough, that’s my whole point. That’s down to Ole and the clubs recruitment
 

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We are not losing matches like our rivals for top 4. It really bad timing to have a go at Ole.

I also need to defend our players. Lots of games and shortage of rest will hurt our performance. We don’t have the luxury to rest players. Despite of that, we are now third in the PL and we could very well be that in the end.

A round of applause for Ole and our players are in order.
 

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This thread bothers me but I'll play along. We should keep going into the next season. No, he does not have the resume that Klopp and Pep have, but who exactly does have their resumes and that we'd want to or realistically could bring in? Not a lot of names are on that list.

We started the season short on talent, we stumbled throughout, put together a great run of late and are stumbling across the goal line now. Keep Ole and see where this goes.
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What did he tactically and selection wise get wrong today ?
Matic starting , TFM starting .... Pogba playing as deep as Matic even when we were in possession....Martial up top on his own for too long ....Ighalo coming on and putting Martial on the left. Is that enough ?
 

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We're a squad in dire need of a rebuild, that only just started last summer. We've finished a season where our best players were either out for huge chunks of it or not even at the club for half of it, and we have next to no quality behind our first XI, which has ground our starters down to the nub with this ridiculous fixture list after the COVID break. 3rd and an FA Cup semi final is honestly exceeding expectations, all things considered.

Ole hasn't been outstanding, but he's shown promise. Tactically he seems a bit naive and weak, but at the same time we've played some of our best football since Ronaldo left the club at times under him, but we're inconsistent and streaky. The only way to sort that out is to add quality and depth to ease the load on our stars, and I think Ole has shown enough in terms of what his vision is to be allowed to continue the project. This is the closest we've been to looking like we're building an actual cohesive team since SAF left.

In any case, who are the alternatives at this point in time? We've tried the old school PL clogger and we've tried the world class managers with massive resumes and they've all failed spectacularly. What manager out there has the credentials to manage us, wants to join us and is capable of doing the work that still needs to be done? I can't think of anyone at the moment that's obvious enough that sacking Ole makes any sense.
 

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What if he gets the club finishing 3rd on Sunday? Look how long it took Klopp to win the title, Poch got 5 years and won nothing. It is unfair to compare Ole to these scenario’s when they had so much more time. The squad was in a terrible state when he arrived and is on the right track. Regardless or league finish, Ole has done a good job if you look at everything he has done since he came in. Everything can’t be done in 20 months.
Klopp deserved time because he’s a proven world class manager.

Potch turned Spurs into a regular champions league team. They definitely weren’t that before him. First Spurs manager to finish ahead of Arsenal in decades.
We are not losing matches like our rivals for top 4. It really bad timing to have a go at Ole.

I also need to defend our players. Lots of games and shortage of rest will hurt our performance. We don’t have the luxury to rest players. Despite of that, we are now third in the PL and we could very well be that in the end.

A round of applause for Ole and our players are in order.
Not sure you missed it but everyone we played these past few months have had lots of games. Some of these teams we faced don’t have the luxury of having the squad we have. Also if you are good at keeping the ball then you won’t have to run too much. Second half against West Ham and Southampton, we were appalling. Even Palace who are a counter attack side at times we struggled to keep the ball.

No excuses against Leicester though. They have a lot of injuries and suspension to their CB.
 

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Klopp deserved time because he’s a proven world class manager.

Potch turned Spurs into a regular champions league team. They definitely weren’t that before him. First Spurs manager to finish ahead of Arsenal in decades.


Not sure you missed it but everyone we played these past few months have had lots of games. Some of these teams we faced don’t have the luxury of having the squad we have. Also if you are good at keeping the ball then you won’t have to run too much. Second half against West Ham and Southampton, we were appalling. Even Palace who are a counter attack side at times we struggled to keep the ball.

No excuses against Leicester though. They have a lot of injuries and suspension to their CB.
That’s a good point. Forgot about that. Also there’s a small fact about them being shit. A loss to them would be unthinkable and unforgivable.
 

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I really appreciate the work Solskjaer has done

He's worked hard to fix the club in terms of attitude and created a positive team spirit

in my gut I just think we are a form team and our periods of success have a slightly random feel to them. We've really dropped off in terms of quality of football the last 3 or 4 games and I felt that we disnt create anywhere near enough against a poor West Ham side

I think we really need a lot of investment this Summer and even with 3 or 4 really good signings im still not sure Solskjaer has the ability to manage a side who can win around 30 league games in a season which will be the target if we are to compete
 

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That's a pretty low target, especially looking at Leicester and Chelsea. Keeping him might be like keeping Mourinho in 2018 when we finished second, but most people knew it was going nowhere.

It just should not be about finishing fourth or reaching CL. That's how a stupid club acts.
There's been absolutely no noise about us looking at possible replacements though, has there?
 

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Matic starting , TFM starting .... Pogba playing as deep as Matic even when we were in possession....Martial up top on his own for too long ....Ighalo coming on and putting Martial on the left. Is that enough ?

So you had these feelings when United where battering teams the past few weeks with the exact same tactics ? TFM started cause he's quick and more attacking so that's a good thing at home . So no it's not enough it's just nonsense
 

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I really appreciate the work Solskjaer has done

He's worked hard to fix the club in terms of attitude and created a positive team spirit

in my gut I just think we are a form team and our periods of success have a slightly random feel to them. We've really dropped off in terms of quality of football the last 3 or 4 games and I felt that we disnt create anywhere near enough against a poor West Ham side

I think we really need a lot of investment this Summer and even with 3 or 4 really good signings im still not sure Solskjaer has the ability to manage a side who can win around 30 league games in a season which will be the target if we are to compete
He has us playing the best football post Fergie. And the drop off happened when we're playing something like nine matches in a month, it was inevitable, but still not as bad as last season with Jose's team. There's obvious improvement.
 

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All better managers than what we have. That’s 5 and they all play good football the right way.
I think Hasenhuttl is too. Southampton are such a well drilled team with an exciting style and progressive way of playing. I couldn't help but think after our game that this set of players we have now, with that level of coaching, would be so much better.

Instead we're talking about spending hundreds of million more just to make it work for Solskjaer. I agree with the posters that said it's the players that are coming up with ideas and winning us games as I see nothing consistent in our tactics that makes me think Ole is influencing results. I actually don't think our team should be far off that of Liverpool on paper.
 

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No. More alarmingly, there's no talk of a DoF anymore.
Worrying. Ole mentioned that he gave the club his 3-year plan, I hope that doesn't mean the club is prepared to give him 3 years regardless of performances. Then again, there are no clear candidates to replace him. Best hope is for him to keep improving because we don't seem to be prepared for the possibility of him failing.
 

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He has us playing the best football post Fergie. And the drop off happened when we're playing something like nine matches in a month, it was inevitable, but still not as bad as last season with Jose's team. There's obvious improvement.
I hope its just tiredness

it really reminds me of the good run when he first took over when, after a few good performances we picked up a right few points playing badly then our form and results dropped off a cliff weve started really slowly in most games the last month.

I hope it isn't an issue of mentality
 

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He has us playing the best football post Fergie. And the drop off happened when we're playing something like nine matches in a month, it was inevitable, but still not as bad as last season with Jose's team. There's obvious improvement.
The relatively great football is likely the consequence of him having a more balanced team (for which he can be at least partly credited), happier players (his credit too), and a less rigid and dour football system than Mou and LVG (which is good and bad). But there are too many poor performances in between the good ones to not have reservations about him.
 

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I think Hasenhuttl is too. Southampton are such a well drilled team with an exciting style and progressive way of playing. I couldn't help but think after our game that this set of players we have now, with that level of coaching, would be so much better.

Instead we're talking about spending hundreds of million more just to make it work for Solskjaer. I agree with the posters that said it's the players that are coming up with ideas and winning us games as I see nothing consistent in our tactics that makes me think Ole is influencing results. I actually don't think our team should be far off that of Liverpool on paper.
Yeah I was impressed with him too and was happy they backed him after the 9-0 drubbing. He’s a quality coach.

We still need investment but your right a good coach could improve us with far less investment.

Southampton are a well run club top to bottom though and you can tell by their appointments. They derailed once hiring Hughes but learnt there lesson.
 

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I think Hasenhuttl is too. Southampton are such a well drilled team with an exciting style and progressive way of playing. I couldn't help but think after our game that this set of players we have now, with that level of coaching, would be so much better.

Instead we're talking about spending hundreds of million more just to make it work for Sancho. I actually don't think our team should be far off that of Liverpool on paper.
I do.

Liverpool have the back line and goalkeeper sorted. That’s how teams are built.

Look at us when Ronaldo left. Yeah the football became dull, but we still had the back five and were challenging or winning titles even after Ronaldo. Same with Chelsea who had a solid base.

Can you say you have the trust in our back five? Shaw has been here five years and spends half the time injured. AWB and Maguire haven’t improved us massively.
Yeah I was impressed with him too and was happy they backed him after the 9-0 drubbing. He’s a quality coach.

We still need investment but your right a good coach could improve us with far less investment.

Southampton are a well run club top to bottom though and you can tell by their appointments. They derailed once hiring Hughes but learnt there lesson.
To be fair they hired that Pellegrinno too.
 

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The relatively great football is likely the consequence of him having a more balanced team (for which he can be at least partly credited), happier players (his credit too), and a less rigid and dour football system than Mou and LVG (which is good and bad). But there are too many poor performances in between the good ones to not have reservations about him.
We are finally blowing teams away again when we're on a good run and the front three clicks, we just need to learn to grind out the tight games and turn more draws into wins. We have 12 draws and 8 defeats right now, which isn't quite as terrible as the performances suggest.
 

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We are finally blowing teams away again when we're on a good run and the front three clicks, we just need to learn to grind out the tight games and turn more draws into wins. We have 12 draws and 8 defeats right now, which isn't quite as terrible as the performances suggest.
Let's see how it goes. We can only hope that Ole will continue to improve and reach the level we need him to be at. Agree that recent results have been good. But the performances, great though they are when everything clicks, are so inconsistent and wildly variable in quality that I question whether we are actually that good, or if form/other factors have been papering over some fundamental weaknesses, which I don't think are solely down to player quality. Too many games are tight when they shouldn't be.
 

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So you had these feelings when United where battering teams the past few weeks with the exact same tactics ? TFM started cause he's quick and more attacking so that's a good thing at home . So no it's not enough it's just nonsense
No clearly not ? I said the last 2 games not the last 10.
 

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I do.

Liverpool have the back line and goalkeeper sorted. That’s how teams are built.

Look at us when Ronaldo left. Yeah the football became dull, but we still had the back five and were challenging or winning titles even after Ronaldo. Same with Chelsea who had a solid base.

Can you say you have the trust in our back five? Shaw has been here five years and spends half the time injured. AWB and Maguire haven’t improved us massively.


To be fair they hired that Pellegrinno too.
I give you that their back line is better, but mainly they edge it in the output of their fullbacks. Defensively a good coach would make us solid and hard to break down at the very least with the options we have. Instead we look porous.

In midfield I feel like we have the better options, especially in an attacking sense. Our current front three isn't a million miles away from theirs. I just feel like Klopp (or any good coach) would have us playing so much better and instead they've had that benefit whilst our players look a shadow of what they're capable of.
 

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No clearly not ? I said the last 2 games not the last 10.
But it was the same tactics that got us to 3rd in the League haha . You can't cry now it's all wrong just because a few games haven't went how we have wanted .
Yes have a go at the change of formation in the semi final but to have a go at that game yesterday is a joke .
 
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Ironic considering how awful the Prem is this season. Top 4 is being handed to us and we're stumbling over the line.

Points-wise we're behind Jose's tally when we finished 6th in his 1st season and I think we're still behind in points from Moyes' disastrous season.

I'll ask you again: Do you trust Ole to compete with Pep and Klopp going forward?
Do you honestly think replacing ole is the answer to closing the gap with city and liverpool? If so, which manager can come in andd do that? (Please don't say Poch)
 

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Ole may not be the cup winning star manager we all wanted/desired, but he is the right manager for us in this period in time. He has built a good rapport with the players, developed a discernible attacking pattern/flow and shipped out some of the dross.

Sticking with Ole is really a case of learning to walk before you fly. Something we ought to know by now after multiple failures with LVG and Jose.
 

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Do you honestly think replacing ole is the answer to closing the gap with city and liverpool? If so, which manager can come in andd do that? (Please don't say Poch)
A better manager would of course help to close the gap.

I can't believe that the same set of fans who lived through Sir Alex still downplay the importance of a manager and how much they can improve a team.

I don't like Poch(even though I think he's better than Ole probably). He's not a winner.
 

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At the top level the margins are very slim; the result in a single match is often a deciding factor in keeping or sacking a manager.

Realistically, Ole's fate should hinge on Leicester's game, but I think it won't and he will be allowed to carry on regardless. The problem I have with that is I think that a huge part of the reason for that would be fear of upsetting the fans.
 

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Pochettino
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All better managers than what we have. That’s 5 and they all play good football the right way.
Better Coach or Manager?

Our club is a giant organisation without director of football. Appointing one with good knowledge of tactics is not enough.

You need very good management skill as well. Ole has proven himself capable of steering the ship when it is sinking. I am not sure any of the "managers" or coach above are capable of dealing with all the different stress and decision when comes to managing Man UTD. Everyone in the club UP or DOWN is supporting Ole. That is the most important factor in my opinion.

Ole could hire an assistant tactics coach to assist him if necessary. He is good at delegating. The leaders hire the best talent like our Fergie does.
 

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Ole has been given plenty of funding, plenty of patience. If we can't qualify for CL, he has to go. Too many opportunity lost and wasted. But, he does have Europa as backup, which is really no excuse, considering he should have wrapped up 3rd tonight with the last game to spare.
 

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For the few who voted "Sacking", would you please enlighten us which Manager in competitive football has leap from "6th to 1st" in their first full season with a newly assembled team ?
 

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Even if we miss CL (lost top 4 and even EL), I want him to continue his work next season.

If the same rubbish stubbornness and coaching problems persisting next season, then it shows he's clueless in what he lacks as United manager and therefore should be replaced asap.
 

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I think Hasenhuttl is too. Southampton are such a well drilled team with an exciting style and progressive way of playing. I couldn't help but think after our game that this set of players we have now, with that level of coaching, would be so much better.
Lolwut? They are second from bottom on the Home table. Yeah, that would work for us, being shite at home and great at countering sides when playing away. Sort of did that early days with Ole and it just doesn't work.

What you are talking about, Southampton Away:
3Southampton199463025+531

What you are overlooking, Southampton Home
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He finished 3rd with a team that has outspent every other team in Germany excluding Bayern and Dortmund in the last 2 years. They finished exactly where their spending should have them. Also the competition of opponents in Germany is weaker than in the PL.

Nagelsmann has not over achieved in the last 2 seasons either and his season before that seems to suggest it is an outlier rather than the norm.
Nagelsmann only joined RBL at the start of the current season from Hoffenheim.

Nagelsmann punched above his weight when he was the head coach at Hoffenheim. He was meant to take over at Hoffenheim for the start of the 2016/17 season but was forced to arrive early due to the stand in coach leaving the head coach post early due to health issues. Nagelsmann was appointed the coach of Hoffenheim at the age of 28 in February 2016 with the club 7 points adrift of safety and relegation looked a very real possibility. Nagelsmann in the remaining 14 games turned the fortunes of the club around and they made up the points deficit and survived relegation by 1 point.

The following season at Hoffenheim which was his first full season in charge, he finished 4th in the league and the club qualified for the Champions League for the first time in their history. The season after that he finished 3rd with little Hoffenheim and he and the club were overachieving on a huge scale.

In the 2019/20 season he joined RB Leipzig and below is a link which shows who they bought and sold in the season. Nagelsmann and the club even excelled in that department . Also bear in mind that £20m for Augustin from Leeds isn't included as yet.

RBL played a back 3 in their last game which consisted of Konate, Upamecano, Halstenberg and GK Yvon Mvogo and combined they cost less than Daniel James.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/rasenballsport-leipzig/transfers/verein/23826
 
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I haven't enjoyed watching United like I have since the covid break in many many years. Long live Ole.
 

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Honestly are his signings really that great?
Of course they are not. Bruno might be an excellent signing (or might not, it is still too early to tell, but the signs have been more good than bad), Maguire and AWB are decent but not great while also costing twice as much as they should have. James has been a failure, while Ighalo doesn't really count (he is there to play 10 mins every second game).

For 200m+, they have been bad signings, same as those for every manager. Obviously, at the beginning every signing becomes 'best signing since X, or best defensive right-back etc etc', but in grand scheme of things, we spent more than 200m to sign a very good but not World Class player, 2 decent defenders and a guy who runs fast.
 

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Its too early to make that kind of judgement one way or the other. What argument are you going to use? His big game record against these elite managers is excellent so far.

I'm a big Ole supporter. Have been all the way through. I have always thought that there is a question mark about whether he is the right manager for right now, or whether he can take us all the way. For me though its unquestionably the case that he is the right manager for right now. Time will tell on the rest of it.
But surely having spent so much, improved players, and bought well, he should be expected to challenge in the very near future? Do we have to wait for him to be ready to challenge, challenge on Ole's timetable and not ours?

He's brought positives of course, but since we're not yet where we need to be we have to keep looking forward and evaluating until we get there. Same with players, same with managers. Just because Ole is good, and better than before, doesn't mean we get complacent and comfortable.
 

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Don’t you have to judge things relatively though. The majority thought we wouldn’t make top 4 because Spurs and Arsenal would occupy them. But........
Yeah,we didn’t expect Spurs to implode so spectacularly,but honestly a lot of supporters weren’t enthused by the signings we made last summer.While Maguire and Wan Bissaka looked like good signings,James was an unknown quantity and we didn’t sign any new central midfielder.We signed nobody to replace Lukaku and most supporters felt we were short up front.

Just think about where we were last summer....A squad which performed terribly towards the end of last season....A star player who was publicly making noises about leaving the club....A very young strike force who didn’t look like they could score an adequate number of goals....I honestly thought we had no chance of making top 4....So atleast in my view we”ve made good progress this season...
 

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If we get Sancho and Ole proves capable of learning rotation and we end up around twenty points better I'd strongly consider keeping on. Even if the 'tactically naive'/'relies on individual moments' issue is still there.

But if we get Sancho and he persists with this weird clinging-to-the-form-players-until-they're-dead thing that he's now done twice and we only end up ten points better and he sanctions a +350k/w contract for Pogba etc. then we probably should go for someone like Nagelsman.
 

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I read this to often, "we've tried Van Gaal/Mourinho and id didnt worked out, having a proven manager is not the way" if we applied the same logic with players then we shouldnt buy anyone, need a new cb? No man we bought Jones, Smalling, Lindelof, etc it didnt worked out, how does that sound? Of course Mourinho and Van Gaal were not the right managers, but that doesnt mean hiring good managers is a mistake, we should keep hiring and firing until we find the perfect one for us.
I never said having a proven manager is not the way. I think it was a culmination of situations that led us to hiring Ole. Firstly, I think for a change we wanted to try doing things differently having a long term vision in mind where we don’t let managers come in who stamp their own footprint and then leave us having to do a major reboot. We wanted a manager who could bring us back to our own identity. Secondly, I don’t think many other good managers were available when we hired Ole. There was Allegri available but the rumours were that he either didn’t want to come to us during such a period of transition and also that maybe he didn’t suit our club that well. There was Conte but he was destined for Inter and Poch was an option but the way he was doing this season, we didn’t seem sure enough to take a chance with him.

You also have to understand that hiring Ole is not the end of the world. We can always hire another good/better manager but once we’re completely sure Ole isn’t the man to take us forward and when there’s actually a manager available who would compliment us well or at least better than we’re doing right now. I don’t think any other manager could’ve come in and suddenly made Lingard & company worldies. Mourinho tried and it didn’t happen. Can you recommend any other good managers that are available at the moment?

Firstly I must mention that everyteam has injuries, theres no excuse to say "we were plagged by injuries so let the manager have a free ride" second you speak as remaining a fighting distance as if it was down to Ole? Because I think it was because, as I mentioned in my post earlier, this season has been exceptionally poor for the top 4. In the first round we were 4 points off top 4 with 28 points in 19 matches. Totally unaceptable results points wise, however the other teams being so poor helped us.
To your first remark: I think it’s a little unfair to say that injuries are not to blame. I’d concede injuries are not to blame if our squad depth is like City’s where they’re well stacked in terms of replacing a quality player with another player of almost-or-equal quality.
When we lost our BEST players to injury while having incompetent players to replace them with, you have to admit even you as a manager, would have no other option but to accept whatever results come your way.
I think Ole did deserve some sort of a ‘free ride’ this season because he also helped us as a club figure out how good our squad actually is. He gave the entire squad a chance to play this season and prove themselves. Now we know exactly who is good enough to wear our jersey.
But next season I am right with you when I say I’ll be scrutinizing Ole much more harshly because now we have almost assembled a squad for him where injuries shouldn’t be any sort of excuse to cut him some slack.

Secondly we shouldnt evaluate Ole just for the second part of the season, the postBruno era. We should evaluate him for the whole season. My opinion? If we only look at the whole season he should be fired, his start was awful we were lucky Leicester had such a masive drop otherwise our top 4 chances would be slim.
I have evaluated Ole for the entire season. And in my opinion, he does not justify being fired at all. He actually did really well with the players he had available during the first part too. Fred & McT were given a chance by him and they had much better seasons than previously. Pereira, Lingard, Mata, James were useless and they cost us most of the points. Pogba, Martial & Rashford were unavailable at different points and we had no players of similar quality to replace them with.
And sure we got lucky other teams had a dip in form including Leicester’s late dip but luck is just luck. Last year other teams got lucky when DDG cost us top 4. Leicester got lucky when they won the PL cuz spurs fecked up. Liverpool were unlucky when Gerrard slipped.
I understand that we shouldn’t rely on luck but that’s the charm of the PL. There’s so much talent that as long as we do our best, we could always make a comeback. We could’ve given up the way our season started but after the liverpool draw, we locked down, played to our strengths, hid our weaknesses as well as we could, until we were able to bring in reinforcements and make a comeback. If Ole was actually that incompetent than for me at least, he wouldn’t have gotten the results he got against the top 6 sides and neither would he have suddenly started to do better when he got Bruno & Ighalo. It was clearly evident then that the strategies he had were fine, it was just the quality that was missing. As soon as Bruno got introduced, it was like check mate. Everything started to make sense, goals were being created and finished. I mean we have to cut Ole some slack for having to survive without even half decent players, let alone Lingard & company who are West Ham level, let alone top 10 team level.
Of course the thing to evaluate is do we think Ole can sustain the team performing consistently like the second part of the season? If you do, then I understand you wanting him to continue.
This is the best part of your post. I say that because I get to honestly point out that I’m not one of those blind Ole fans. I myself would like to see how he does and then judge him once he cannot be afforded any excuses which for me, is by the end of next season. If he can sustain the team performing then sure, otherwise yes, he’s not the man to take us forward. He was good for this rebuilding phase and that’s about it. Because now we won’t be recycling the squad like we did under LvG and Mou. The next manager will surely bring in a handful of players but the core will remain the same for the next decade almost.
Finally had players coming around to his philosophies? I dont know but that doesnt sound right. Magically a bunch of players clicked into his system after a whole year? I think its more about Bruno changing completely our system, as I said in my previous post, I dont think this is a system based performances I think its players naturally performing because of their qualities.
I think when a new manager comes in there’s surely a phase where players have to change their playing styles from a previous managers teachings to a new one. Ole himself mentioned how our work ethic and fitness levels were well below par under Mourinho. Then comes the defensive approach that our players had been used to and now they had to become more progressive and more attacking. It takes time to suddenly start making perfect passes suited to a totally different style. In Pep’s first year, city players made countless errors. Likewise in Klopp’s first few seasons. It was evident that A) players needed to adapt to a different style, and B) which players were needed to replace since they couldn’t adapt to the new system.
Same thing happened with us. When Ole took over from Mou, he gave everyone a chance and it became evident that players like Lukaku, Smalling & Sanchez, no matter how good they were, did not suit our system or possess the quality to survive.

When a system works you can have good or bad results, but the style of play is there. An example of this is Norwich, they get awful results but the style is clear for everyone to see, no matter which players are on the field.

When we dont have the full XI available our performances drop massively, and more importantly our style dissapears. We are not playing tiki taka or anything like that so we shouldnt rely on one or two players to develop our whole game.

I know the gap quality between the starters and the squad players is considerable, but thats the managers job to implement a system that hides the players weaknesses and functions with different variants. If not then your only setting yourself for failure, theres no way a team can sustain the same starting XI for all the season or have the same quality on the bench to replace a player, it doesnt work that way.

"Proper squad" is a very subjective term, I hate to bring Klopp in to this but were Salah, Mane, Firminho, Virgil, Allison, Robertson, TAA a "proper squad" when he arrived/bought them? Players are as good as they perform. You cant expect patience eternally for a manager to perform until he completely changes the whole squad and fills it out with already made superstars.

The manager should be given time as he gives results, of course there are short, medium and long term goals and should be judged accordingly but theres no such thing as being not judged until having a "complete proper squad".
Referring to the bolded parts:

A) This all refers back to whatever I have mentioned above in this post. It is the managers job to make do with what he has but let’s be honest. Our bench is full on incompetent players way past their prime. Even Mourinho who got us 2nd place said he couldn’t have done any better than that with this squad and I fully believed him. There’s only so much you can do. If the term ‘quality’ wasn’t relative than we’d see managers like Pep winning trophies with championship players too. Which doesn’t happen does it. A managers philosophies are only as worthwhile as the players capable of applying the teachings. Why did Pep & Klopp get so much free time to build their own squad before they were answerable for their objectives? Why did we even bother hiring Ole when we knew were in transition and he obviously doesn’t have that prominent of a resume? It’s because we knew this rebuild will take time and we don’t a manager who will feck off in 2/3 years time if it doesn’t work out. We wanted someone who will think long term for a change. And one that will bring us back to our identity. A club like ours will never remain successful by always hiring the best managers and then getting rid of them to start a new cycle. We have been successful because our plan was always wholesome and long term enough to guarantee decades of success, not a mere handful of years.

B) As for the Liverpool players that you mentioned, they were good that’s why they stuck around. It’s the players you didn’t mention that weren’t good enough and needed replacing. That has been my whole point. Similarly, in our team, sure Pogba, Rashford, Martial had potential and we weren’t worried about them. But we were worried about players like Lingard, Pereira, Mata etc who we knew will cost us points, results, performances etc. And that is literally what happened. You think if we had better players and Ole still couldn’t get results, I would continue supporting him? Hell nah.
 
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