I would disagree - Maguire wasn't under a dinosaur coach with Leicester and Pep wanted him at City too. Wan Bissaka was highly rated even prior to joining us. I don't care for how he utilizes McTominay.One problem, unless the new guy is a dinosaur like Moyes I don't see him liking Maguire, AWB and McTominay as key members of his team. Two of them cost us £130m just 15 months ago. This is the problem with laying foundations for someone else, managers are unique and their requirements are different.
Klopp and Pep have shipped out lots of players and it will likely happen here too if we bring a new guy in. The mistake was made after that miracle in Paris and we will pay for that poor decision for a long time because not only will we have to replace Ole but some of his cornerstone signings too.
Of course he doesn't. The owners buy players for shirt sales and resale value.But who?
Do you think Woodward chooses managers as per some master plan and footballing vision he has or does he have a team with great footballing vision and what is best for Man Utd
Statistically true but you’d need to ignore our awful performances against Brighton and Palace to take any comfort from the stats.Martial will be back, that's the key to our Premier League form. Having him and Rashford starting.
Where’s the evidence for that?It's not about whether the squad is good enough for 1st, 3rd to 5th. It's whether we get the most out of it. We're not.
Common sense? You think this squad is playing anywhere close to its potential?Where’s the evidence for that?
I'm not sure how there can ever be actual evidence for any team making the most out of what is has got or not.Where’s the evidence for that?
He said it was a massive achievement for Manchester United to finish third.When did he say that?
Not even closeCommon sense? You think this squad is playing anywhere close to its potential?
Spending big was never an option in the covid era with attendance revenue dead certain to drop. We still have one of the best scoring front 3 in Europe from last season. If we are in desperate need of a scoring forward then the rest of the teams in Europe should be on life support. We needed all round depth not Sancho who would probably be stinking up the joint by now if he came. He isn't that player that can rescue a sorry team performanceWhen one of Rashford or Martial doesn't start our win rate goes down to 35% and our goal per game drops from 2.1 to 1.0. It was pretty obvious last season this was a problem and we hoped Greenwood would fix it, but that hasn't happened and Cavani is still nowhere near match sharp. Fact is that if one of Rashford or Martial doesn't start we're very easy to defend against and we shoot less.
It's the usual shit i'm afraid, we go into the Summer desperately needing a forward to help spread out the goals in the team and yet we end up with a 30 year old. This was clear when Lukaku left and yet again clear this summer and the board rather than spending big, go for the short term, budget option. Simply not good enough.
I admire you for still backing him despite proving he clearly has no tactics outside of counter attack and hope you someone to produce a piece of magic out of nowhereI’m a big Ole supporter and I will continue to back him throughout his remaining time with us. I am massively disappointed in yesterday and i now have massive question marks on my own judgement and Ole. I just can’t understand how we can swing from being so good to so terrible. It’s easy and obvious to blame the manager and I’m not saying it isn’t his fault but what the hell is wrong with these players? Was that system so shite yesterday? Why can’t we string together passes and results?
On the basis he’s done that on 50+ occasions surely that proves he’s got a bit more to his tactical game otherwise he would have been long gone by now surely?I admire you for still backing him despite proving he clearly has no tactics outside of counter attack and hope you someone to produce a piece of magic out of nowhere
Not in my opinion but like I say if you want to believe he will magically find a plan B in games then that's your decisionOn the basis he’s done that on 50+ occasions surely that proves he’s got a bit more to his tactical game otherwise he would have been long gone by now surely?
Just to be pedantic, we've played 6 games and therefore IF we win our game in hand we would be 6 points off.I dont get it at all. Former great as a player, will always have a special place in our hearts, but not competent enough. Poor
A poster celebrating if we win our game in hand we will only be 6 points off top. He doesnt realize we have only played 7 games and are already 9 points off top. What a mediocre fanbase accepting this crap
We shall have to wait and see I must admit my faith is diminishing but having said that if we can string a few wins together in the league by game 10 the outlook could be completely different to today. I don’t think we will do but also wouldn’t be surprised if we did we have it in usNot in my opinion but like I say if you want to believe he will magically find a plan B in games then that's your decision
Unfortunately there is also the small matter of us having the fourth worst goal difference in the league tooJust to be pedantic, we've played 6 games and therefore IF we win our game in hand we would be 6 points off.
I hate to say it but expect a bigger response out of Everton on Saturday after losing their last two, yes I am glad they haven't got Richarlison or James to supply Calvert-Lewin but still expect them to put in a performanceWe shall have to wait and see I must admit my faith is diminishing but having said that if we can string a few wins together in the league by game 10 the outlook could be completely different to today. I don’t think we will do but also wouldn’t be surprised if we did we have it in us
The board don't care though. Also better time to sack him now since there are no fans in the stadium. The abuse they get at the end of the season will be way worse if fans are allowed back in the stadium. There were Ed Woodward bon fire chants in the stadium just before Bruno came in when we were rubbish.I think Ole being a very liked ex player complicates things a bit. If we finished the season like 6-7th there is a slight chance that even hardcore fanboys would realise he is not good enough. If we sack him in let's say December, I think there would be a big backlash from Ole fanboys. I am sure the club would want to avoid that as much as possible. Unfortunately I don't see him going until the end of the season and I fear that we might stick with him even if we finish outside of TOP 4 because he is the perfect shield for our board - likeable ex player who will never complain about the transfers and is just basically happy to be here. Perfect.
I agree and we are going over to Turkey and back which puts us in an even harder positionI hate to say it but expect a bigger response out of Everton on Saturday after losing their last two, yes I am glad they haven't got Richarlison or James to supply Calvert-Lewin but still expect them to put in a performance
I always felt Ole was employed to steady the ship and give us thinking time to set something up.The Chelsea and Arsenal games have really made me start to question Ole. I'm not quite Ole out but I'm getting there. The lack of consistency is very concerning and after 2 years with the players he has he should know how to break down a low block. If teams attack us it's fine but most teams don't. All he ever talks about is how we're going to play our football and make teams worry about us, the only thing teams worry about is our counter attack and that's easily countered with a low block. It's not good enough. If we want to get back to where we want we need a manager who can add more bows to our team.
I can't question his ability to man manage or change the culture around the club, you don't hear about bust ups or the like - he prefers to keep things in house. However, the lack of tactics and patterns of play to break down teams is worrying. I always saw Ole as the guy to build a squad and hoped he could be the one to win us things, but based on our league games it doesn't look like he is.
Yeah I think that is a very good point but we all know how this board works when it comes to sacking managers, it's either when we are mathematically out of contention to qualify for champions league or the situation gets that bad the players literally down tools on the managerThe board don't care though. Also better time to sack him now since there are no fans in the stadium. The abuse they get at the end of the season will be way worse if fans are allowed back in the stadium. There were Ed Woodward bon fire chants in the stadium just before Bruno came in when we were rubbish.
Yeah, that's another thing, they're never going to sack him while we're still active in the CL.Only reason I disagree with you is if its a year on, with a better squad, and he's showing the exact same inconsistencies and flaws in the league, I'd think action would be taken if it looks like we're going nowhere quick, say before christmas perhaps.
But his CL form might be his saving grace this time, because we should be getting out of that group now, probably even winning it.
Really? That's quite a significant stat truth be told.When one of Rashford or Martial doesn't start our win rate goes down to 35% and our goal per game drops from 2.1 to 1.0. It was pretty obvious last season this was a problem and we hoped Greenwood would fix it, but that hasn't happened and Cavani is still nowhere near match sharp. Fact is that if one of Rashford or Martial doesn't start we're very easy to defend against and we shoot less.
It's the usual shit i'm afraid, we go into the Summer desperately needing a forward to help spread out the goals in the team and yet we end up with a 30 year old. This was clear when Lukaku left and yet again clear this summer and the board rather than spending big, go for the short term, budget option. Simply not good enough.
Yeah even in our hey day (god that was years ago) we used to struggle after away games in europeI agree and we are going over to Turkey and back which puts us in an even harder position
Didn't know he was also out. Ole needs a win otherwise it will get ugly.I hate to say it but expect a bigger response out of Everton on Saturday after losing their last two, yes I am glad they haven't got Richarlison or James to supply Calvert-Lewin but still expect them to put in a performance
I’m in the same boat. We need to get some results quickly in the league.I’m a big Ole supporter and I will continue to back him throughout his remaining time with us. I am massively disappointed in yesterday and i now have massive question marks on my own judgement and Ole. I just can’t understand how we can swing from being so good to so terrible. It’s easy and obvious to blame the manager and I’m not saying it isn’t his fault but what the hell is wrong with these players? Was that system so shite yesterday? Why can’t we string together passes and results?
Thats if we win it. There's no guarantee of that.I dont get it at all. Former great as a player, will always have a special place in our hearts, but not competent enough. Poor
A poster celebrating if we win our game in hand we will only be 6 points off top. He doesnt realize we have only played 7 games and are already 9 points off top. What a mediocre fanbase accepting this crap
We'll drop points in most of these, but you can guarantee we'll beat City because Pep will set up to play right into our hands, and then Ole will be lauded as doing an excellent job. Whoop whoop.Look at the upcoming league fixtures.
Unless there's a massive turn around, starting immediately with the next league game, that statistic is going to look much, much worst by Christmas.
November....
Everton - Away
WBA - Home
Southampton - Away
December (not inc. 2 CL & 1 EFL quarter final).....
West Ham - Away
City - Home
Sheffield Utd - Away
Leeds - Home
Leicester - Away
Wolves - Home
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Aye that's true. Let's rephrase it as 'i't being made more complicated than it needs to be'.It is complicated because random guy on internet has 0 responsibility and it doesn't matter if random guy on internet gets it completely wrong. Random guy on internet comes up with 1000 possible solutions and remembers only the solution that is closer to what's working and forgets the 999 mistakes.
That's not same for manager who should think so many possibilities before making any decision.
Also it's not true that Ole stuck to 1 formation. We played 3-5-2, 4-3-3, 4-4-2 (diamond) last season but played 4-2-3-1 in most games.
Yeah just like we saw in December last year against themWe'll drop points in most of these, but you can guarantee we'll beat City because Pep will set up to play right into our hands, and then Ole will be lauded as doing an excellent job. Whoop whoop.
Well he missed the game yesterday so would be surprised if he gets fit by next SaturdayDidn't know he was also out. Ole needs a win otherwise it will get ugly.
I think it's both the players and manager, but the majority of the blame will (and should) go to the manager as a natural consequence of him being in charge of the players.I'd say its one of two things. Players not doing a good job or as required and manager not up to it tactically. We as external observers have no clue which is which.
We have always switched formations against big teams. Its not because of Spurs that we changed it. Temme this :is it easier to bring the final piece of the jigsaw to complete it or just get a whole new puzzle just because 1 piece didn't fit as expected?
Is that a criticism of Pep?We'll drop points in most of these, but you can guarantee we'll beat City because Pep will set up to play right into our hands, and then Ole will be lauded as doing an excellent job. Whoop whoop.
Common sense tells you we don’t have as many good players as some people think.Common sense? You think this squad is playing anywhere close to its potential?
No it's a statement of fact. Ole and Pep have faced each other 5 times, with Ole winning 3 and Pep 2. Pep sets up his team on the front foot, aggressive, playing their passing game, trying to take the game to his opponent, which is the sort of setup that Ole does well against, because he doesn't need to out think his opponent, just tell the team sit in and try to hit them on the counter.Is that a criticism of Pep?
You can bet Carragher & Jones have been told in no uncertain terms by their bosses not to ask any awkward questions about his future plans thoughPochettino is on Sky Sports for a reason.
It's gonna happen. Woodward needs a new man in charge to hide behind.
