Every player is capable of magic and when they are playing poor they need to come off, he lost all confidence to even try. I like him but he needed to come off 60/70 minute mark for me
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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We should have scored at least three tonight but yeah it's Solskjaer's fault!
You might as well give him next season as it doesn't seem like anyone else is available, anyway. But, I am not convinced he is the answer for us.
I think we should stick with him until the right option is available.oWhen that option comes, I think it would be a mistake not to try and take the opportunity.
I think we should seriously be keeping tabs on Nagelsmann myself. I think it would be a mistake to rule ourselves out from trying to get him.
I think we should stick with him until the right option is available.oWhen that option comes, I think it would be a mistake not to try and take the opportunity.
I think we should seriously be keeping tabs on Nagelsmann myself. I think it would be a mistake to rule ourselves out from trying to get him.
I said it many times, and I will say every time I write here, one day everyone in this forum will come to this conclusion that he is not good enough and should leave. The sooner the better.
Absolute nonsense, we dominated the game but could finish the chances.
How the feck are people blaming Ole? The goals we conceded were individual errors - both of them. In both instances, our defenders had a brainfart moment and didnt take action soon enough.
And add to that, our forwards missed feck ton of chances. A manager's job is to make the team play such that they create chances. Once that bit is done, it's down to the players. And in this case, the players failed. It's that simple. You can't blame a manager if the team is creating 20 odd chances and finishing just 1.
Had that been a regular occurence, sure why not, as in those cases you'd have to blame the work behind the scenes to address this issue. But that hasn't been the case for us, not lately for sure.
And add to that, our forwards missed feck ton of chances. A manager's job is to make the team play such that they create chances. Once that bit is done, it's down to the players. And in this case, the players failed. It's that simple. You can't blame a manager if the team is creating 20 odd chances and finishing just 1.
Had that been a regular occurence, sure why not, as in those cases you'd have to blame the work behind the scenes to address this issue. But that hasn't been the case for us, not lately for sure.
Mata changed the game just last week, and Ighalo should have been on far earlier.
Saying there was no options is a weak excuse. It’s not an anomaly, his in game management is terrible.
That's sort of a gameplan. But yeah, what you point out is still valid.
If only we had Neymar or Messi to come off the bench, we'd win the EL.There's never anything wrong with our tactical gameplan and in-game management, it's always the players.
My vote hasn’t changed since the first iteration of this thread and it more than likely won’t change for a long time.Agreed! We battered them and were unlucky/ comical defensive positioning. 7 now
Making our first sub in the 86th minute was absolutely unnaceptable. Rashford at the very least deserved to be hooked. Then brining Ighalo on in the 93rd minute? Beggars belief really.
The verdict is still out on Ole as well, but that doesn’t mean we have the right players at the moment either. Both can be simultaneously true.
I’ll expand when I have calmed down but the slow speed of our squad reconstruction underpinned the way our game went today. There was no quality on the bench to change the game
So you're saying we have to create more and more until we score? Instead of actually scoring the chances we create?
I think we created more than enough to win this match. We were simply too poor to capitalize on any of the big chances.
If we want to be stuck at this level then yeah stick with Ole, I think with the spending we have he'll get us Champions League and that but never challenge for anything.
If you want to go the Liverpool route before Klopp and take a chance on Nagglesmann then we can become one of the best Europe again, not just England
If you want to go the Liverpool route before Klopp and take a chance on Nagglesmann then we can become one of the best Europe again, not just England
Ludicrous for this thread to be bumped.
Still feel the team is in a good place at the moment. Compare tonight to last time we played Seville. It was such a cowardly set up and performance. As desperately disappointing this is, at least we it was like that game
So should we also not blame Sterling for the sitter instead of Pep? Anyone with eyes could see Rashford was done. Should have pulled him at half time, put Ighalo on, and moved Martial wide where he could get space. Half the game was either Mason or Marcus running right into him because they kept running into the same lanes. That’s not a sign of a well drilled team.
There was literally a player on the bench who changed the game against Copehnagen but he had to wait until 87th min to come on. I know it's popular to underrate our squad but c'mon, we had options on the bench who could have changed the game but we didn't even try.
Absolutely wrong, and then when it came to make a change dan James of all people?6 now
And that was clearly a statement to the board, whether it was right or wrong. Our options are shocking, I'd trust the players on the pitch more than that useless loss.
With 4 minutes? Absolutely pointless
Literally anyone. Bring on some fresh legs while they’re on the ropes and go for the jugular. It’s fairly basic management. But no, we keep our tiring players on the pitch and stopped attacking.
You can't blame him for anything it seems. There's a reason a bulk of our goals have been penalties and not come from open play for a string of games now, we've not been good enough in front of goal. The ''another keeper having a worldie against us'' excuse can't be used every bloody game. Rashford has been gash since the restart and Greenwood is 18. I don't care who Ole has on the bench, they're part of our squad and he can't be making subs this late. Especially when our starting attackers weren't even looking like scoring in the final 20 minutes.
Achieving top 4 was a curse in disguise, he wont be fired right now only to be fired next summer when the board realize, what anyone who's not biased can see, he's bang average.
He needs another 3-4 players minimum.
He wont get it.
He will be gone by the end of next season I fear.
He wont get it.
He will be gone by the end of next season I fear.
Yep "sack him now" is genuine criticism after a game we should have won 9/10 times against a team everyone was raving about
It seems to be every game. No matter what you think they are wasting their time. Ole will be manger next season, I believe he deserves it. But either way he isn’t going anywhere at this moment
We should be creating non stop, irrelevant of the result because strikers will be missing chances, it always happens. But that doesn't mean that we should automatically forfeit the game if our strikers don't go and convert every single chance.
I agree that we missed a lot of chances. We had 20 minutes of great football. But..
A) Between 60-80 min we were off. There coach must change something. One player is enough to change run of play. Yes, our bench is not that good but still, there are some decent players who can do basic job.
B) Coach can change formation. Not all subs must be player for player on same position
C) We lost 3 semis this year. For one you can say it happens, for two you can say bad luck but 3 in a row is not coincidence.
In league you can demand from coach nice football, playing youth and things like that but in knockout phases you play for the win. Ugly win. Any win.
Cooler heads and we would have won comfortably. Annoying, but we should have won.
And they're back.
I agree but the players are only a short term fix to mask the managers deficiencies.
A proper, progressive manager would provide some stability and success long term.
I'm not pro nor negative Poch with this post, but
I really don't get posts like this.
Sure he could have pushed for a league cup or FA cup, but at the end of the day, they don't mean a great deal. Top 4 is way more important, and what he did with the Tottenham side, and the spending budget he had, was nothing short of very good.
He was never expected to win a league title, he was never expected to win a champions league, let alone get to the final of one.
He's achieved more and gained a far bigger reputation in his managerial career than what Ole has done.
Whether it's Poch or anybody else, our team can be improved, and so can our manager
Considering this is what they train to do it should be no hard ask to play 2 games a week.
That’s fine. But you know what I hate. It fans talking all these ruthless crap. But when it matter for the people at the club that matters. We are soft. So I don’t buy it.
So you wouldn’t have subbed rashford off as early as half time? Besides, how many times did the front 3 bump into each other.
I won’t argue that Ighalo should have been on straight away, but we have nothing beyond that. If Mata is the sole hope for salvaging the tie then we obviously have a problem.
Here are the salient facts for me - I'm sure a lot of people will disagree:
- We limped over the line in the chase for the top four.
- Our 'unbeaten run' papered over a lot of cracks towards the end after an absolutely horrific first half of the season.
- We've been well beaten tonight. Question marks over not starting Matic and possibly Romero.
- Going into a defensive shell once we scored the penalty. Allowing Sevilla to come onto us and needlessly put pressure on our defence and back line.
- Ole not making changes until it's far too late, and lacks proactivity in games. He fails to recognise when the game is getting away from us and making the relevant changes.
I love Ole and he will forever be a legend, but I am not going to let that get in the way of me judging him as a manager. He's a nice guy who doesn't like to upset his key players - and you can tell as he started DDG and dawdled over bringing Rashford off when it was clear to everyone that he should've been hauled off at HT or around the 60 minute mark at the latest. He isn't ruthless enough and lacks key tactical nous and knowhow that the top, top managers have. And that isn't good enough for Manchester United. If you want to see the effect a top manager makes to a club just look at Liverpool.
He's a nice guy, and is as vanilla as it gets when it comes to managers. There's no real identity. If we are going to be a footballing force again then he can't be at the helm.
- We limped over the line in the chase for the top four.
- Our 'unbeaten run' papered over a lot of cracks towards the end after an absolutely horrific first half of the season.
- We've been well beaten tonight. Question marks over not starting Matic and possibly Romero.
- Going into a defensive shell once we scored the penalty. Allowing Sevilla to come onto us and needlessly put pressure on our defence and back line.
- Ole not making changes until it's far too late, and lacks proactivity in games. He fails to recognise when the game is getting away from us and making the relevant changes.
I love Ole and he will forever be a legend, but I am not going to let that get in the way of me judging him as a manager. He's a nice guy who doesn't like to upset his key players - and you can tell as he started DDG and dawdled over bringing Rashford off when it was clear to everyone that he should've been hauled off at HT or around the 60 minute mark at the latest. He isn't ruthless enough and lacks key tactical nous and knowhow that the top, top managers have. And that isn't good enough for Manchester United. If you want to see the effect a top manager makes to a club just look at Liverpool.
He's a nice guy, and is as vanilla as it gets when it comes to managers. There's no real identity. If we are going to be a footballing force again then he can't be at the helm.
Shouldn't have gotten to that point anyway! Played them off the park in a game most for we'd get dominated. There only chances were goals we basically have them with bad individual positioning.
Blame Ole for the subs, but give him his props where it's due!
No. I want to replace clearly (for me at least) average manager with whom we will not win anything with very good coach.
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