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Lost count of how many "Poch meets Woodward" tweets I've read in this thread.
One day it will be the truth.
Lost count of how many "Poch meets Woodward" tweets I've read in this thread.
Anyone but this clown reporting it?
Not the most reliable?
Yeah talks absolute shite,Ole isn't the right manager for me but he needs to at least be more demanding of this board.Not the most reliable?
He's about as reliable as Donald Trump!
We've moved into the race? Like we moved into the race for CL qualification.We've slowly moved into the race so your theory not based on evidence at the momentin the league.
Nope. Not getting happy until Stone, Romano, Falk etc report it.
good post, the memories some people have, didn't we claim to not rate bruno when we first got linked by the press, and it was only to make Spurs think someone else was interested.?Sorry but I disagree. The only reason we signed Bruno was because McTominay got injured and Pogba was already injured and we were short in midfield. There was absolutely no long term planning by the board or Ole when they signed Bruno.
Not to mention that our main January target was Haaland. The summer before, Bruno was available, he was going to Spurs but they couldn’t agree on a price tag, and Ole didn’t go for him (maybe because he wanted to trust Pereira snd Lingard).
There were many circumstances that forced Ole and the board to get Bruno at the last minute. He was never their main target. They just got lucky that nobody else was in for him. Let’s not rewrite history.
I'm pretty sure I said Ole will need a superior squad to the other teams not Ole will need better players.We'll need better players with any manager to get back to the top.
Yeah clearly this is total BS,guy is the biggest attention seeker on TwitterNope. Not getting happy until Stone, Romano, Falk etc report it.
Pretty sure he’s on the transfer tweets thread blacklist? He doesn’t know anything. Genuinely like one of them randomers who create Twitter accounts just to lie about transfers.Yeah clearly this is total BS,guy is the biggest attention seeker on Twitter
Analysis also has to make sense. The fact is people are picking an inconsequential period to generate their conclusions. Whats the significance behind being the third best team in 2020? We don't have anything to show for it. In between we finished third with a really poor points tally, got knocked out of three semi finals and then dumped out of the CL group stages.Managers live and die on results. He'll take stick for losing to RBL, and likewise he'll get credit for a strong & consistent run of league results in 2020. It doesn't matter how they get there.
Analysis has to be fair, and that is where this forum is suffering badly because agendas are so rife that is it preventing fair analysis. Not altogether, but it gets lost in the traffic. This whole key player thing is IMO unfair analysis. Who cares if we have a star player that makes us a better team. If he does get an injury we'll have to find a way to cope, but he hasn't so far so it doesn't need to be discussed or used as a critical tool.
Yeah this just proves that he should have only ever been a caretaker boss and no more than thatAnalysis also has to make sense. The fact is people are picking an inconsequential period to generate their conclusions. Whats the significance behind being the third best team in 2020? We don't have anything to show for it. In between we finished third with a really poor points tally, got knocked out of three semi finals and then dumped out of the CL group stages.
Is that progress? I think its damning that the best, most consistent, period under Ole was when he was care taker. Have we truly progressed from those first two months? I'd say we're about the same, if not worse. Context applied, those stats are meangingless as we're not much better from the beginning of the year.
Him signing Bruno is a weird stick to beat him with. Are people suggesting we should have pinned our hopes on Mr Beanz?I think you're misunderstanding the point that I'm trying to make, and by the way I always read every word of a post before I respond to it.
I'm not here claiming that Ole has made Bruno into the player that he is. Im saying that it doesn't matter. The part that Ole deserves credit for is for filling in a position that was a giant problem for us with a great signing. Thats what he is supposed to do. Its good management.
By the way, it is very agenda driven. Sorry, but it is. If I heard an opposition fan spinning a criticism against their manager for signing an excellent player I'd think they were idiots (which I don't think you are) or else so blinded by a personal agenda that they are choosing to reach pretty hard for a stick to beat them with.
I'm sure years from now, we'll be referencing the year 2020 when Man United were the third best team.Yeah this just proves that he should have only ever been a caretaker boss and no more than that
I agree. I've felt for a long time that Ole needs to change his coaching setup if he's gonna survive, but I also agree with your that he's unlikely to fire his mates, unlike Klopp who actually let Buvac go to change to a more progressive coach in Lijnders. And that's why I want to Ole to leave as soon as possible.I don't think Ole is the one that will enable United to challenge for titles except without a huge slice of luck. However he has been dug a massive hole in which to climb out of by Ed Woodward.
Ole has often said that he is manager rather than a head coach. He models himself on SAF who also was a manager first, coach second. Tactically Ole is very naive and SAF admitted he was a tactical 'dinosaur'. However SAF was able to surround himself with competent coaches whereas Ole (and Mourinho before) had to make do with Carrick and McKenna. No competent CEO of a major company would ever give three hugely important roles (manager, assistant and head coach) to such inexperienced employees.
I would actually be happy if half the transfer fund was used, to have a complete clear out of the first team coaching setup and recruit some of the best up and coming coaches in the world. But would Ole have the balls to go to Ed Woodward and basically demand his mates get fired so he can get better coaches. This is the only way I can see Ole surviving as United manager in the long term.
We are not going to win the league, so this is a moot point.Based on our league form since Bruno arrived it's not unlikely that we'll break 80 points this season. In some seasons that's enough to win the league, though usually you need to break 85.
Therefore, while I wouldn't put money on it, it's not inconceivable that we win the league this season. If that were to happen: would you still be Ole out?
Still, it's a hypothetical.We are not going to win the league, so this is a moot point.
You want to break the 85 points while your manager gets outplayed tactically by David fecking Moyse, Are you out of your mind?Based on our league form since Bruno arrived it's not unlikely that we'll break 80 points this season. In some seasons that's enough to win the league, though usually you need to break 85.
Therefore, while I wouldn't put money on it, it's not inconceivable that we win the league this season. If that were to happen: would you still be Ole out?
"There's a chance of winning the quadruple this season, we're in still in the premier league, league cup, Europe League and Fa Cup. If that were to happen, would you still want Ole out ?"Based on our league form since Bruno arrived it's not unlikely that we'll break 80 points this season. In some seasons that's enough to win the league, though usually you need to break 85.
Therefore, while I wouldn't put money on it, it's not inconceivable that we win the league this season. If that were to happen: would you still be Ole out?
No, 80-81 points. That is what the hard data based on the last 24 league games would predict. It's by no means a guarantee, but it's not unlikely either(provided Bruno stays fit).You want to break the 85 points while your manager gets outplayed tactically by David fecking Moyse, Are you out of your mind?
No one in the PL has ever won the quadruple. Several teams have won with around 80 points, which is what our current form would suggest. Your example is insane."There's a chance of winning the quadruple this season, we're in still in the premier league, league cup, Europe League and Fa Cup. If that were to happen, would you still want Ole out ?"
You have to ask yourself, is Ole's decision making in terms of tactics, picking and motivating the team a main factor (or even partially) in accumulating those points or is it down to the players ability to win games through individual skill?Based on our league form since Bruno arrived it's not unlikely that we'll break 80 points this season. In some seasons that's enough to win the league, though usually you need to break 85.
Therefore, while I wouldn't put money on it, it's not inconceivable that we win the league this season. If that were to happen: would you still be Ole out?
I don't care about the odds. Yes or no?You have to ask yourself, is Ole's decision making in terms of tactics, picking and motivating the team a main factor (or even partially) in accumulating those points or is it down to the players ability to win games through individual skill?
We're 20-1 to win the league. The bookies are very rarely wrong.
How many shocking results like RB one do we need for you all to stop talking about the future so confidently and arrogantly ? Everyone were confident of us leading the CL group after first 2 matches and taking digs at anyone who thought it was open race after our loss to Turkish team. Maybe instead of such a lame question in early December, wait till Feb or March to discuss our predicted points tally, where will probably we finish and if this will affect the opinion around the manager ?No one in the PL has ever won the quadruple. Several teams have won with around 80 points, which is what our current form would suggest. Your example is insane.
I love that no one so far, despite thinking it's impossible, dares to answer that simple yes/no question.
I cant base my judgment on assumptions. I base it on what I see, and from what I see is a manager struggling every game tactically and rely entirely on the quality of the players to save him every game. But if by a miracle he manages to ride a title challenge not only winning it, no sane person at that time will ask him to leave. But, this is a big if.Should this happen and we win the league as a result: would you then back Ole? It's a very simple yes/no question.
I didn't know you asked me a question.I don't care about the odds. Yes or no?
That's a threadmark if I ever saw one. And from such a vocal Ole out poster as well!But if by a miracle he manages to ride a title challenge not only winning it, no sane person at that time will ask him to leave.
We're 5 points off the top with a game in hand and 28 rounds left to play and we've been averaging more than 2.1 points per game since Bruno arrived. Forgive me for not giving up 100% just yetHow many shocking results like RB one do we need for you all to stop talking about the future so confidently and arrogantly ?
Football is very dynamic sport and things in it change faster than you believe. The entire top 6 might change drastically in terms of positioning and points comes Feb or March. We don't even know if a major injury will happen to a big team or not, including us, and this is something that stats can't predict. The answer to your question is of course, not any different from answering the question of "if we won the quadruple should the manager stay ?", well, of course yes ? But you don't start asking such questions in early December. Only around Feb or March is when things will become clearer who's in the title race and who will compete for top 4. That's about it really. For once we should learn a little bit from our arrogance in assuming the CL group was done for after the first 2 games and know that literally anything can happen in the space of just few games.We're 5 points off the top with a game in hand and 28 rounds left to play and we've been averaging more than 2.1 points per game since Bruno arrived. Forgive me for not giving up 100% just yet
I disagree. If Poch comes in now hes taking over somebody else's team and having to make it work, if he gets off to a bad start and a toxic atmosphere he might not recover. I'd rather he had a proper start here.If the answer is Poch you get him now as he is available. No point waiting. More time he has more his team will shape up.
If the answer is German hipsters or Southampton dude you wait till end of summer to get them if they are not willing to come now.
If the answer is Ole then get a transfer kitty of 300-400 million ready.
I know.Football is very dynamic sport and things in it change faster than you believe. The entire top 6 might change drastically in terms of positioning and points comes Feb or March. We don't even know if a major injury will happen to a big team
Good, bout time we stopped letting every fexker spend years and hundreds of millions to build their own.I disagree. If Poch comes in now hes taking over somebody else's team and having to make it work
I'm not giving up on it, but assuming we're going to finish the league around 80 points in early December and if this will be enough to win the title or now is honestly an arrogant way of predicting the future really without putting in consideration any unfortunate thing to happen along the way. Beside, you're asking a lame question that the answer to it is too obvious. There's not even point of such question if you ask me.I know.
But why give up when the current data, based on 24 league games, is positive? Because we're out of a tough CL group? The CL is volatile. That's why the best manager in history only won it twice, both times after dramatic finals.