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We're signing a player to not have to play Anthony Elanga who on current ability is a Championship player if he's lucky. An actual striker who's scored actual goals in top flight football somewhere is an upgrade. He doesn't need to have proven himself to be some kind of likely star at a top PL team.And I was replying to a post claiming he'd proven himself in Germany, to which I say, he didn't, not for the level of PL top teams.
Zlatan, LukakuCan't wait to see us with a proper 9 up top.
The situation of not having a single top striker.What situation are we in?
But that doesn't prove that he isn't?No, in Germany which was the topic. He didn't prove in Germany that he'd be good enough for a PL top club.
Reports this morning state they are negotiating with AboubakarIf this is relying on Besiktas giving the nod to terminate the loan then I won’t be surprised if this dragged as I doubt they will just terminate the loan without signing a replacement first (that’s only if they agree to the termination).
ExactlyWe're signing a player to not have to play Anthony Elanga who on current ability is a Championship player if he's lucky. An actual striker who's scored actual goals in top flight football somewhere is an upgrade. He doesn't need to have proven himself to be some kind of likely star at a top PL team.
He'd be coming here to be our Choupo Moting/Divock Origi/Javier Hernandez/Demba Ba. It's funny that this is so hard for you to grasp when you're basically in the same situation with a similar quality of player.
Ahh well that’s good then. Hopefully get this done soon then.Reports this morning state they are negotiating with Aboubakar
Exactly what I meant. The last proper 9 you could reference left the club nigh 5 years go. Christ, what have we been even doing!?Zlatan, Lukaku
You'd think we were signing a teen Haaland going by some of these comments.On what basis?
Making something up to justify a signing.
You might be able to say something like that about signing Kane, or Haaland, but not about this guy.
Oh right! We aren't in a position to do anything about that until the summer unfortunately.The situation of not having a single top striker.
I'd like to think we are moving away from the traditional football and into a more modern style. Most big clubs are moving away from the old fashioned 9. Be nice to have options though.Exactly what I meant. The last proper 9 you could reference left the club nigh 5 years go. Christ, what have we been even doing!?
Why is that funny?You're funny
We are joint top 3 in the league and still competitive in every other competition. Why would we be throwing the season away when we are doing great and have a new manager who must be supported? Because our club is ran by morons? Thanks, not OK.Relax we will get that striker in the summer and with Erik in charge he is gonna get it right
What forum are you reading? I love how people don’t share your massively negative view, so you over play the positively into utter nonsense.You'd think we were signing a teen Haaland going by some of these comments.
As long as Martial is fit, he will be nothing more than a Fellaini for us. Any goals would be a bonus, but I mostly expect him to be used as a battering ram against stubborn defenses.
You may need to find another hobby if you seriously think that when Ronaldo left two months ago, EtH said "feck Gakpo and Felix, get me Weghorst instead". What parallel universe is that happening in? I can understand people saying we don't have money (but that is Murtough's fault and he should be fired), but saying that EtH actually wants Weghorst when we are in extremely competitive fight for top 4, and maybe even a trophy is not serious and not funny.What if the amazing manager WANTS him? And would rather have him than Felix, Gakpo etc?
Feck EtH?
The one where he wants an actual striker?You may need to find another hobby if you seriously think that when Ronaldo left two months ago, EtH said "feck Gakpo and Felix, get me Weghorst instead". What parallel universe is that happening in? I can understand people saying we don't have money (but that is Murtough's fault and he should be fired), but saying that EtH actually wants Weghorst when we are in extremely competitive fight for top 4, and maybe even a trophy is not serious and not funny.
Reject who couldn't get into Ajax' teamBuyern just signed United's reject. Not every player in the team has to be world class.
EtH was told we are bankupt and he can have nobody or somebody very cheap from a "Dollar Store" So Weghorst is somebody very cheap that may be useful when you are bankrupt. This is not how our new manager should be supported. This is not on EtH, this is on idiots in charge of our club.For all Ten Hag's talk about signing the right players who are United standard and not average, I struggle to see how Weghorst fits any part of that description.
The 30 year-old one from Besiktas that is there on loan from Championship Burnley, or some arrogant ass from Al Nassr that was unceremoniously booted when Ronaldo arrived there? The Ronaldo who was a bench warmer for us? Those are the strikers that EtH *wants*? You seriously think that, huh? wowThe one where he wants an actual striker?
Yes he is. Pretty incredible, considering he is taller than an average giraffeIs he actually shite in the air?
Yeah, and his name literary translates to Vegetarian Horse from Dutch to English, so everyone who likes meat will also dislike him.
I'll stick with "Cop(per) Road-heap".Yeah, and his name literary translates to Vegetarian Horse from Dutch to English, so everyone who likes meat will also dislike him.
Apparently notThe one where he wants an actual striker?
ETH would say that. These players don't even play in same position.You may need to find another hobby if you seriously think that when Ronaldo left two months ago, EtH said "feck Gakpo and Felix, get me Weghorst instead"
Because he didn't get on with a manager who is absolutely dogshite and hated by the dressing room.Reject who couldn't get into Ajax' team
I don't think the traditional 9 is as old-fashioned as many make it out to be. Just recently City, Liverpool, Newcastle, Barcelona all spent big what could be classified as traditional 9s. Napoli, Real Madrid, Tottenham, amongst others, utilize such players. Ten Hag has also done so in the past. There are some managers who prefer a more versatile player up front that doesn't fit in the traditional 9 category, but I imagine a lot more other managers simply have to make do without one because of the abject lack of available quality players in that position. This is why such players go for obscene prices in the market.I'd like to think we are moving away from the traditional football and into a more modern style. Most big clubs are moving away from the old fashioned 9. Be nice to have options though.
Cavani was a proper 9. Probably my favourite for us since RvP. His movement was spectacular, if only we'd bought him at his peak .Exactly what I meant. The last proper 9 you could reference left the club nigh 5 years go. Christ, what have we been even doing!?
Felix plays all across the front line. Exactly the kind of player EtH likes. He kept playing Rashford as #9, when Ronaldo was shit and Felix can play #9 way better than Rashford. Also when Martial is fit EtH wants to play Martial, so he doesn't necessarily want a world-class player than can only do #9 and will end up benching Martial. Striker is not his only problem. What is he going to do when Rashford is out? Or Bruno is out? We have no strong backups for them. So you reading somewhere that "omg Felix is not a classical striker" doesn't mean this is how EtH sees his problems. We know he was interested in Gakpo because Gakpo said it himself, and we know Felix is very much interesting to EtH because we are negotiating with them and so much so that Atletico gave us right of first refusal, except we are gonna miss on it because we are bankrupt. But we do know a lot about who EtH wants, it's not some kind of mystery.ETH would say that. These players don't even play in same position.
You sound like Ole "let sign every left wingers on the market. That will improve United" . Jaysus
True, many people have said just that.You'd think we were signing a teen Haaland going by some of these comments.
Because Elanga currently gets so many appearances for us because we don't have a backup striker, whether he goes up front himself, or goes out wide with Rashford put up top.Weghorst is a good player.
A different option to Martial, so a good plan b.
Good on the ball, knows where the goal is.
Not sure why people are bringing Elanga into the equation, as Weghorst will be a foil for Martial, but nevermind!
"Every so often, you get the privilege of finding out just how many people simply parrot what they've been told by pundits - who often have very little knowledge of the game in general, and outside the big clubs in particular.
As a Burnley season ticket holder, I got to actually watch Weghorst play. He's good. Really good. The problem was he was dropped into a struggling team as a replacement for Chris Wood and told to play exactly like Wood. He's far better than Wood and a different player. He's far more mobile and much better on the ball. He sent Maguire to the shops for the equaliser against Man Utd. He was magnificent in the Wolves game mentioned above and half-collapsed at the final whistle having run himself into the ground for the team. He's also a bit of a take no prisoners bastard, as seen in the Argentina game.
Yes, he could have scored more and missed some big chances which could have saved us. But we were dead and buried by the time he arrived and he gave us a fighting chance of avoiding the drop, which was *not* happening before his arrival. He might have scored more but his teammates were dropping like flies due to injury and he didn't ever get a run alongside a regular strike partner. He was a sub by the end because he was carrying an injury. His comments on leaving the club were direct and straightforward - he's Dutch for crying out loud. They also made sense. He wanted to play in the World Cup and playing in the championship wasn't going to help that. Plus he had an agreement with the club, which was honoured.
But yeah, what do people like me know, who actually *watched* him rather than make up fantasy lists of Big Name Players who they've heard of on Football Manager and watch games for YouTube reaction videos?"