I don't think it is really, with some proper service Mata slipping passes into two of Falcao/Rooney/Van Persie with the likes of Di Maria and Herrera roaming from behind is just fantastic.
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
This setup against teams outside top 5
This setup against teams in top 5:
This setup if you're not bold enough to bench one of our stars:
This setup against teams in top 5:
This setup if you're not bold enough to bench one of our stars:
That was my point with Di Maria, to add the width to the 4-3-3 that people felt Rooney would not.
How would you handle a Top 4 team? For me it is, Carrick and Blind behind Herrera ..... take of Januzaj and put Di Maria on the RW.
Liverpool hae been very successful with this formation last eason and this season. Hererra and Di Maria have the legs to run and add quality. Blind will sit deeper and supply the passes. Great.A diamond makes the most sense right now. It's a better fit than the 3-5-2 which our defence is struggling to get to grips with but keeps some of the same benefits.
Just tried to fit all three in on FIFA at least.
Rafael - Jones - Rojo - Shaw
Herrera - Carrick - Di Maria
Doesn't work, at all...
DDG
Herrera - Carrick - Di Maria
Rooney
Falcao - RVP
Might be interesting to try:
Herrera
Rooney diMaria
Januzaj Falcao Mata
Or Blind for Herrera and perhaps Herrera for Rooney.Rooney diMaria
Januzaj Falcao Mata
---------------DDG
-------Smalling - Rojo-------
Rafael---------------------Shaw
-------------Blind---------------
------Herrera------Di Maria----
Januzaj-------------------Rooney
-------------Falcao--------------
It's full of players that can find a pass, run at players and score goals. And in the middle / defense we've got some ability to press / be solid at the back. Though I see LVG looking for a way to get at at least one of Mata / RVP on the pitch if not both by sacrificing the fullbacks and replacing with a CB and replacing Januzaj.
-------Smalling - Rojo-------
Rafael---------------------Shaw
-------------Blind---------------
------Herrera------Di Maria----
Januzaj-------------------Rooney
-------------Falcao--------------
It's full of players that can find a pass, run at players and score goals. And in the middle / defense we've got some ability to press / be solid at the back. Though I see LVG looking for a way to get at at least one of Mata / RVP on the pitch if not both by sacrificing the fullbacks and replacing with a CB and replacing Januzaj.
We have 6 blue chip players but hard to fit them all in.
DDG
Rafael Smalling Rojo Shaw
Blind
Herrera Di Maria
Rooney
RVP Falcao
Mata
AJ
Carrick
Jones
Fellaini
Valencia
DDG
Rafael Smalling Rojo Shaw
Blind
Herrera Di Maria
Rooney
RVP Falcao
Mata
AJ
Carrick
Jones
Fellaini
Valencia
Does any feel that Rafael is too weak defensively on the right with just Blind, Herrera and Di Maria ahead of him?
I agree, that's how I would play against top 4. We'd have the defensive cover with Carrick and Blind (also to control the midfield) and pacey players to counter attack. I personally wouldnt mind seeing Januzaj and ADM on the wings with one striker up top
De Gea
Rafael -- Jones -- Rojo -- Shaw
Herrera ---- Blind
Mata ----- Rooney ----- di Maria
Falcao
Your name is bloody Januzaj, yet you want Rooney in the hole?
---------De Gea-------
Rafael--Jones--Rojo--Shaw
------Herrera---Carrick----
------------Mata-----------
Januzaj----Falcao-----Di Maria
If I ever see Wayne Rooney play in the hole again it will be too soon.
Rafael--Jones--Rojo--Shaw
------Herrera---Carrick----
------------Mata-----------
Januzaj----Falcao-----Di Maria
If I ever see Wayne Rooney play in the hole again it will be too soon.
Smalling, Evans, Jones, Rojo, Blackett.
Does anyone else think we are perhaps a bit short on numbers to keep 3 at the back?
Does anyone else think we are perhaps a bit short on numbers to keep 3 at the back?
Dave
Rafael Jones Rojo Evans
Carrick/Blind
Herrera ADM
Mata
RvP Falcao
Rafael Jones Rojo Evans
Carrick/Blind
Herrera ADM
Mata
RvP Falcao
More i think about the falcao deal the more i think it will be rvp that makes way. The falcao deal was not a last minute deal by any stretch of the imagination. Most clubs knew of monaco's troubles and that they would need to offload. It appears we probably learnt of his availability and willingness to join during the di maria negotiations, thats not last minute and coincides with rumours about rvp needing op.
I hope beyond hope we change to a 433/442 diamond. The only issue with this is the fact that valencia and young were not on the 'for sale list'. If we change to 433/442 diamond i cant see how either of these two will get a single game this season as we wont have wingers and if we move to 4 at the back we wont have need for their style of wingback.
Our best team:
--------------ddg--------------
Raf----jones----rojo------shaw
------------blind---------------
------herera-----ADM---------
------------mata--------------
-----roo-----------falcao-------
What i think will be our team:
--------------ddg--------------
----evans----jones----rojo-----
Val------------------------shaw
--------------blind-------------
---------mata-----ADM--------
-------roo---------falcao-------
Mata or herera will probably depend on form. This is how we changed for bunley, it was a noticeable change from previous games as mata was no longer a 'number 10' but much deeper. Fletcher was a clear cdm on his own. The second half saw valencia push much higher and ADM push wider and rooney drop little deeper. This may have been as a result of mata injury.
The fact this shape was adopted straight after the ADM deal would suggest this is what lvg still sees as the best option. The further signings of blind (replacing fletch) fits this system perfectly. Noticeably it can easily change to a 433 if needed with one sub
I hope beyond hope we change to a 433/442 diamond. The only issue with this is the fact that valencia and young were not on the 'for sale list'. If we change to 433/442 diamond i cant see how either of these two will get a single game this season as we wont have wingers and if we move to 4 at the back we wont have need for their style of wingback.
Our best team:
--------------ddg--------------
Raf----jones----rojo------shaw
------------blind---------------
------herera-----ADM---------
------------mata--------------
-----roo-----------falcao-------
What i think will be our team:
--------------ddg--------------
----evans----jones----rojo-----
Val------------------------shaw
--------------blind-------------
---------mata-----ADM--------
-------roo---------falcao-------
Mata or herera will probably depend on form. This is how we changed for bunley, it was a noticeable change from previous games as mata was no longer a 'number 10' but much deeper. Fletcher was a clear cdm on his own. The second half saw valencia push much higher and ADM push wider and rooney drop little deeper. This may have been as a result of mata injury.
The fact this shape was adopted straight after the ADM deal would suggest this is what lvg still sees as the best option. The further signings of blind (replacing fletch) fits this system perfectly. Noticeably it can easily change to a 433 if needed with one sub
Well with the salary he gets, plus him being captain and all, while Adnan is still young, Rooney should still be first in line, Januzaj's time will come
Not at all, I have no doubt in his abilities, whereas his fitness is a big issue.
................................De Gea..................................
..............Evans..........Carrick.............Rojo.............
Blind................Hererra......Di Maria.................Shaw
................................Rooney..................................
.......................RVP...............Falcao........................
If everyone was fit.....
..............Evans..........Carrick.............Rojo.............
Blind................Hererra......Di Maria.................Shaw
................................Rooney..................................
.......................RVP...............Falcao........................
If everyone was fit.....
-----------------------------------de Gea
--------Rafael----------Jones-------------Rojo-------------Shaw
---------------------------------Blind
---------------Herrera------------------------------Carrick
-------di Maria----------------Falcao--------------Januzaj
--------Rafael----------Jones-------------Rojo-------------Shaw
---------------------------------Blind
---------------Herrera------------------------------Carrick
-------di Maria----------------Falcao--------------Januzaj
I think with our current players. Our best formation is 4231
With 4 in the back, I still can't pick the best ones. Evans, Smalling and Jones are similar in overall quality. The three of them are inconsistent. I don't know much about Rojo. So at the moment it's hard for me to pick the best two.
With 352
I drop Shaw for Blind because I think Blind is proven as a left wing back during world cup, and he indeed was great in that position.
I think Mata will play in the hole. But I like Januzaj.
Edit: Or may be move Di Maria in the hole for more pace in attack. And add Carrick to help Herrera since he is a better defending than Di Maria.
With 4 in the back, I still can't pick the best ones. Evans, Smalling and Jones are similar in overall quality. The three of them are inconsistent. I don't know much about Rojo. So at the moment it's hard for me to pick the best two.
With 352
I drop Shaw for Blind because I think Blind is proven as a left wing back during world cup, and he indeed was great in that position.
I think Mata will play in the hole. But I like Januzaj.
Edit: Or may be move Di Maria in the hole for more pace in attack. And add Carrick to help Herrera since he is a better defending than Di Maria.
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I know LVG can be looked on as been stubborn, but surely he wouldn't persist with 3-5-2 just to prove a point, we need results and this system just exposes our main weakness in the team and that is the defence, we have seven forward thinking talents in Falcao, RVP, Rooney, Di Maria, Janujaz, Mata, and Herrera, it is just silly not to make the most of this, and the only way to do this is 4 at the back.
I know this will have been posted before but the team simply has to be something like:
-----------------ddg----------------
Rafael-----Jones----Evans----Shaw
----------Herrera-------Blind-------
-------------------Mata--------------
Janujaz--------Falcao------Di Maria
With Rooney covering Mata, and RvP covering Falcao, this puts all the players in their best positions, and gives us great options from the bench.
Trying to fit square pegs in round holes won't work, so at least 2 big players will have to be left out and deal with it by performing when they come on, and not sulking, at 3-5-2 it would have to be 3 of them left out.
I know this will have been posted before but the team simply has to be something like:
-----------------ddg----------------
Rafael-----Jones----Evans----Shaw
----------Herrera-------Blind-------
-------------------Mata--------------
Janujaz--------Falcao------Di Maria
With Rooney covering Mata, and RvP covering Falcao, this puts all the players in their best positions, and gives us great options from the bench.
Trying to fit square pegs in round holes won't work, so at least 2 big players will have to be left out and deal with it by performing when they come on, and not sulking, at 3-5-2 it would have to be 3 of them left out.
Time for this thread again?
I honestly think a team like the one below (supposing we were to sign all these new players) has no excuse for not challenging for the league. Agree? Harsh not to fit Mata in, maybe on the right? What do you think?
I honestly think a team like the one below (supposing we were to sign all these new players) has no excuse for not challenging for the league. Agree? Harsh not to fit Mata in, maybe on the right? What do you think?
Harsh on mata? no, he drifts in and out of games and we can do far better, someone like herrera could easily do his role and he scores and assists. That team on a Muppet level could wipe the floor with many teams, rafeal and rojo do not see starting over valencia and smalling. If Schneiderlin does settle into anchor man role, with sebastian and herrera in the heart of the teams midfield, they also have the creativity of depay and di maria to give us what we need to open teams up. No offense to fellaini, mata and young, they do not offer us that fear week in week out. Now sebastian herrera depay and di maria offer us that world class impact the others do not. Sebastian is still a risk with age, and potential injury'sTime for this thread again?
I honestly think a team like the one below (supposing we were to sign all these new players) has no excuse for not challenging for the league. Agree? Harsh not to fit Mata in, maybe on the right? What do you think?
FORMATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm slightly offended that my legendary 'Pretty Formations Thread' thread wasn't bumped instead. It was basically this thread but 10x better.
I'm slightly offended that my legendary 'Pretty Formations Thread' thread wasn't bumped instead. It was basically this thread but 10x better.
Scheiderlin and Schweinsteiger should be swapped.Time for this thread again?
I honestly think a team like the one below (supposing we were to sign all these new players) has no excuse for not challenging for the league. Agree? Harsh not to fit Mata in, maybe on the right? What do you think?
I doubt we'll sign both Schw and Schn as they are very similar. I expect the centre-backs to be Smalling + 1 as he's done very well in the second half of last season.Time for this thread again?
I honestly think a team like the one below (supposing we were to sign all these new players) has no excuse for not challenging for the league. Agree? Harsh not to fit Mata in, maybe on the right? What do you think?
Full muppet:
Valdes
Valencia - Smalling - Ramos - Shaw
Schneiderlin
Herrera - Mata
Di Maria - - - - - - - - - - - Depay
Rooney
Backup:Valencia - Smalling - Ramos - Shaw
Schneiderlin
Herrera - Mata
Di Maria - - - - - - - - - - - Depay
Rooney
Leno
Rafael - Jones - Rojo - Blind
Schweinsteiger
Pereira - Fellaini
Januzaj - - - - - - - -Young
Van Persie
Rafael - Jones - Rojo - Blind
Schweinsteiger
Pereira - Fellaini
Januzaj - - - - - - - -Young
Van Persie
Going purely off rumours + LVG's left footed CB fetish.
This is way overblown. He's played Jones and Smalling in the league last season every time both have been available.
That is the core of the team I would love to see here next season.
Honestly.. I have mixed thoughts on Schweini..part of me thinks his legs have gone and that we need to move away from having a pedestrian midfield. Right back.. there seems to be very few good established right backs who are available, I saw some clips of Fabinho and I am not convinced. I would love to see Rafael back but that is not going to happen.
RW I would love to see Nani there but again - not going to happen, in terms of the market.. I am not aware of anyone who is available and would be top class.. maybe Pedro from Barca?
I'd love to see Di Maria sold to PSG in a swap deal for Pastore, who for me is more of a LVG style player and a huge upcoming talent. He's the perfect Fellaini upgrade.
That's quite an overhaul. Only two surviving players from last season squad in the starting line up?
Sell everyone.
Buy everyone!
Sell everyone.
Buy everyone!
I absolutely hate when teams play with just 1 striker. Please can we have 2 up top this season
No Idea
Valencia - Smalling - Ramos - Shaw
Carrick--Schneiderlin
Herrera
Di Maria - - - - - - - - - - - Depay
Rooney
As long as it's Herrera and not Mata, it's 3 man midfield.Valencia - Smalling - Ramos - Shaw
Carrick--Schneiderlin
Herrera
Di Maria - - - - - - - - - - - Depay
Rooney
If we buy a class striker, then obviously he would not play as a false 9 (highly doubt Rooney would play as a false 9 under LVG anyways as he doesn't use the diamond 433 like Cruyff.
But on the other hand, if we buy a striker i also see no place for Rooney in our XI if we actually sign Schweinsteiger & Schneiderlin.
Im like the total opposite. playing with 2 strikers is in most cases a complete nightmare for the midfield and needs to be supported by bad football in order to make it work. You take to much risks against any 3 man midfield team and with our already shaky defense this is something we must avoid at all cost.
2 strikers:
- weak midfield OR no width
- huge gaps between the lines forcing longballs
- wingers will be defensively placed, which doesn't suit any top winger in the world, but rather suits Valencia types. (my mistake, Bale would do fine here).
---------------------- De Gea
-----Ramos--------Smalling--------Otamendi--------Shaw
--------------Schweinstiger-----Schneiderlin---------------
------------------------Herrera-------------------------------
----Mata------------------------------------------Depay/Di Maria
-------------------------Rooney
-----Ramos--------Smalling--------Otamendi--------Shaw
--------------Schweinstiger-----Schneiderlin---------------
------------------------Herrera-------------------------------
----Mata------------------------------------------Depay/Di Maria
-------------------------Rooney
4-3-3
Rooney or a new Striker up front, Depay/Di Maria/Januzaj/Mata in the 2 spots either side.
Schneiderlin/Herrera/Blind/Di Maria/Felbows/New CM in the centre 3
Shaw/Blind at left back. Jones/Smalling/New CB/New CB at Centre back. New Right back.
Rooney or a new Striker up front, Depay/Di Maria/Januzaj/Mata in the 2 spots either side.
Schneiderlin/Herrera/Blind/Di Maria/Felbows/New CM in the centre 3
Shaw/Blind at left back. Jones/Smalling/New CB/New CB at Centre back. New Right back.