Wonder Pigeon
'Shelbourne FC Supporter'
I might be wrong, but did the report on the Suarez-Evra thing not state that Suarez didn't say negrito, he said negro?
Thank you and Good Night. Anyway, let the scouse sort ou thier shit. One of own not involved. Can only imagine the opinion of FSW!Look "negro" wasn't always a derogatory term in English (see for example the United Negro College Fund), but it has become one as society has tried to put the racism of the past behind us. At one time blacks were used to accepting "negro" as a "friendly" term, but later they stood up and rejected it as something implicitly racist.
I fully believe that "negrito" is acceptable in South America, but we don't live in South America. Maybe South America is backwards and in need of progress when it comes to race, or maybe we are the ones with the bigger history of racism and therefore the bigger need for sensitivity.
Whichever is the case, the bottom line is that the South American "friendly" references to race aren't acceptable in England.
Suarez should look around and realize he isn't living in South America. He might get some sympathy if he showed some genuine sensitivity to the issue of racism and if he was capable of offering something recognizable as a genuine apology FOR THE HARM HE HAS CAUSED instead of just reading off the cue cards. You can cause harm unintentionally and still suffer punishment for it.
Unfortunately from his behavior we can only assume he cares only for himself and no one else, certainly not about the very real problem of racism. At best he is as thick and narrow-minded as the Scousers who defend him. At worst he is willfully and unrepentantly racist. The problem he has after the World Cup and his row with Evra is that people no longer assume that he is a good guy with honest intentions. Fair or unfair Suarez is now the guy who will say or do anything so long as he can get away with it.
Yes.I might be wrong, but did the report on the Suarez-Evra thing not state that Suarez didn't say negrito, he said negro?
So true.Part of the issue is that no-one in society is really aware of what is racist and what isn't, especially foreign people.
Having worked in a school in France for a year, whenever the staff discussed things in English with me, they would forever be using words that don't get used here any more. Coloured being a prime example.
I have no idea what's racist anymore really - I didn't the word 'negro' was a bad thing, particularly. Obviously you wouldn't call someone it, but I didn't know it was so offensive. It gets to the point when there's 20 people in a room with one black person and someone asks you to point him out, and you end up struggling over what he's wearing as opposed to saying 'he's the black guy.'
That is true. People need to lighten up to an extent. If someone is black then they are black, if they are white then they are white. Using an adjective to describe someone is not racist. If you are using it in a negative way then it is racism I.e. "i don't talk to blacks". There has to be a cut off point as to what is acceptable and not, political correctness has gone completely mad and over the top.So true.
I honestly think people are too sensitive, and anything with race connotations is a potential negative.
You're correct. Even Suarez didn't claim he said negrito in his evidence.I might be wrong, but did the report on the Suarez-Evra thing not state that Suarez didn't say negrito, he said negro?
Incorrect, it had to be as part of abuse for him to be guilty.This again?
Suarez didn't "unsuccessfully argue that "'negrito' was not a derogatory term in the Spanish language" - the entire issue, and the only reason he could be found guilty (given the he said/she said nature of the offence) was that Suarez admitted using language that referred to a player's colour and this (regardless of whether it's an insult ) is clearly banned under FA rules.
Tl;dr: Suarez's guilt wasn't dependent upon "negrito" being an insult, merely referring to Evra being black was enough.
Thanks for reminding me of this,Shame on a negrito
Sorry, you're correct, I should have been more specific.Incorrect, it had to be as part of abuse for him to be guilty.
This. He's obviously using it as a term of endearment. And not even necessarily derogatory to someone you don't know.Negrito is a friendly term in South America, if said to a friend. If it's not to a friend, it's potentially derogatory, and definitely derogatory (to the recipient) if said to someone theyy don't know.
It's not happening in your country, it's on the internet. Should the internet standards be narrowed to the least permissive level?But in this instance do we really need a knowledge of culture outside Britain when it's happening in our country?
I agree, a Liverpool player doing that is asking for trouble. Needless.He can personally call him negrito as much as he wants but calling on twitter is just stupid.
You are the ones with a giant chip on the shoulder. There is nothing backward or wrong about people being referred to according to their skin colour so long as no one is aggrieved, which is the case here.I fully believe that "negrito" is acceptable in South America, but we don't live in South America. Maybe South America is backwards and in need of progress when it comes to race, or maybe we are the ones with the bigger history of racism and therefore the bigger need for sensitivity.
Doesn't make the slightest difference as far as Suarez' argument is concerned. Either can be used, I use them all the time with friends of mine.I might be wrong, but did the report on the Suarez-Evra thing not state that Suarez didn't say negrito, he said negro?
I've been there countless times, fecking ridiculous. A typical scenario: going back to a store or when told to go speak with X, then being asked about who you spoke to previously... They are all white bar the one you talked to but end up going round in circles describing his height, build, etc. when the simple straightforward thing is "the black guy" without in any way meaning to be offensive, just clear and precise.It gets to the point when there's 20 people in a room with one black person and someone asks you to point him out, and you end up struggling over what he's wearing as opposed to saying 'he's the black guy.'
Exactly. The key thing is context.Sorry, you're correct, I should have been more specific.
The point wasn't whether "negrito" was an insult in of itself, it was that Suarez had used insulting language, which "included a reference to Mr Evra’s colour", so regardless of whether negrito is an insult or not, it clearly refers to Evra being black - in the context of forming part of an insulting interaction that was enough to find Suarez guilty.
I think the point people are making is why use the term and give people something to talk about in the first place considering everythinig that has happened previously?Absolutely nothing in this, it's embarrassing that some people are trying to make something of it. The term itself is perfectly fine if it's used in the right context, the lad shouldn't be hounded for using a word which is normal in his culture and which Johnson is obviously fine with him using. It's completely different from what Suarez did.
Absolutely.So true.
I honestly think people are too sensitive, and anything with race connotations is a potential negative.
Drenthe never played for Barca, he played for Madrid, so Messi wasn't conversing with a teammate, he was talking to an opponent. He also didn't call him "negrito" either, Drenthe claims he said "Hola, negro" on a number of occasions.Didn't Messi call some Barca players 'negrito'?
EDIT: Yes he did, to Drenthe. Did anything ever get said about that on here?
Pacheco was put up to it 100%I can't help thinking one of their spanish players saying this to such a public audience feels slightly staged in the Suarez didn't say anything racist claim, maybe I wouldn't of thought this if it wasn't for all the shite Liverpool have spouted about the matter
Yes - but only by the newspapers.Initially wasn't it believed Suarez did say Negrito? but yet everyone condemned the use of that word anyway.
No you're spot on there.I swear the report itself that was published didnt make a mention of the term "negrito" with regards to Suarez saying it to Evra. I remember newspapers publishing it and the whole of Rawk becoming experts on that word, but then a week later the findings were released and the word was never even said so the whole thing was null at that point.
Or am I remembering it wrong?
Negrito, please!