11 against 11 with no ridiculous decision to send one of our players off? We would have dismantled Bayern. We have 2-3 genuine strikers that would pull their centre-halves apart. You should watch the first half of the 2nd leg against them in 2010 again. Had Rafael stayed 90 mins on the pitch, we would have coasted safely to victory.
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Can certainly see Dortmund beating Bayern in Wembley. BVB had a poor game when the sides met in February in the German Cup and Bayern just beat them 1-0 through a Robben curler.
Will be a close contest, I reckon. Dortmund know how to beat Bayern and how they will play against them tactically.
Will be a close contest, I reckon. Dortmund know how to beat Bayern and how they will play against them tactically.
I get the feeling Bayern were complacent after a 1-3 win away. Judging by their performances in beating Juventus and Barca home and away without conceding a goal had they faced United it could well have been another cricket score.
My neighbour, a Valencia ("my second team's Madrid") fan, just let off a flight of rockets. Probably 7.
What a hero.Nonsense
I'm referring to this year's team.Bayern could've beaten them by a bigger margin easily though. The difference was a lot better than the scoreline suggests.
I hope Bender and Götze will be fit for the final without them it'll be so much harder..
2010 Bayern and 2013 Bayern are like comparing 2005 Chelsea with 2011 Chelsea. In all likelihood United would have been embarrassed as Barca have been.
Hello ... Reality check man. This team and the 2010 one are completely on different Universes.
I'm pretty confident it would have been a close game. They would have been favorites though, but not a cricket score by any means. We would have a decent chance.
An impressive victory, and taken both legs together, Bayern did more than just handing out their business card in Europe (to those who didn't get one last year). More a statement than a football match. A statement that they want to challenge the throne. Barcelona, clearly not at the top of their abilities, looked out of ideas of handling that ammount of pressure.
Is that a "shift of power towards the germans", as some will undoubdetly call it? I wouldn't say so. We witness the arrival of two very good football teams at the top of european football - no discussion about that. But they did it in a very different way, both on and off the field. Bayern honed their team over the last six-plus years, met a couple of cul-de-sacs (Klinsmann...) and went all in by aquiring missing pieces for big money (manager Sammer, Martinez...) all orchestrated by a coach wisened by experience.
At Dortmund, we see a miracle happening - a team formed from youngsters and unknown players that faced relegation 3 seasons ago, coached brilliantly with courage by a young coach with a vision.
They do have a few things in common; some excellent young players (many from their own schools) are part of them, but at Dortmund, they are the spine of the team - Gündogan, Reus, Götze at BVB. At Bayern, the key positions are held by older, more experienced players and some of them are big money aquisitions - Neuer, Martinez, Robben, Ribery, Gomez, Mandzukic. If Bayern didn't have an Alaba or Müller, they just would be on the market and buy some players with the needed skillset; If Dortmund didn't have Götze, Reus or Gündogan, they would play for BuLi place 12.
Also there is little sign that other german teams will join the European top level any time soon. Schalke, Hannover, HSV or Wolfsburg can surprise in the odd season, but are nowhere near consistency, and teams following the "Dortmund model" like Mainz or Frankfurt have structural weaknesses that will stop their rise sooner or later.
So no landslide towards germany as far as i can see.
Oh, ond for those moaning about Pep dodging a real challenge by taking over Bayern: Some people that claim all Pep will have to do at Munich is lean back and count trophies. Noticed how well even a team like Barcelona does with just half a coach?
Is that a "shift of power towards the germans", as some will undoubdetly call it? I wouldn't say so. We witness the arrival of two very good football teams at the top of european football - no discussion about that. But they did it in a very different way, both on and off the field. Bayern honed their team over the last six-plus years, met a couple of cul-de-sacs (Klinsmann...) and went all in by aquiring missing pieces for big money (manager Sammer, Martinez...) all orchestrated by a coach wisened by experience.
At Dortmund, we see a miracle happening - a team formed from youngsters and unknown players that faced relegation 3 seasons ago, coached brilliantly with courage by a young coach with a vision.
They do have a few things in common; some excellent young players (many from their own schools) are part of them, but at Dortmund, they are the spine of the team - Gündogan, Reus, Götze at BVB. At Bayern, the key positions are held by older, more experienced players and some of them are big money aquisitions - Neuer, Martinez, Robben, Ribery, Gomez, Mandzukic. If Bayern didn't have an Alaba or Müller, they just would be on the market and buy some players with the needed skillset; If Dortmund didn't have Götze, Reus or Gündogan, they would play for BuLi place 12.
Also there is little sign that other german teams will join the European top level any time soon. Schalke, Hannover, HSV or Wolfsburg can surprise in the odd season, but are nowhere near consistency, and teams following the "Dortmund model" like Mainz or Frankfurt have structural weaknesses that will stop their rise sooner or later.
So no landslide towards germany as far as i can see.
Oh, ond for those moaning about Pep dodging a real challenge by taking over Bayern: Some people that claim all Pep will have to do at Munich is lean back and count trophies. Noticed how well even a team like Barcelona does with just half a coach?
It would pretty much be in the same league as when we played them last season. We were expected to get trounced, but through grit and fortune we pulled it off, although it was not over two legs.
Im not saying you are the same level as we were last season, but Bayern are that much better then last season that its about the same comparison.
Anythings possible but using all available information to make a guess you cant make a good case for United getting past Bayern over two legs.
Im not saying you are the same level as we were last season, but Bayern are that much better then last season that its about the same comparison.
Anythings possible but using all available information to make a guess you cant make a good case for United getting past Bayern over two legs.
Dortmund missed Hummels dearly in the cup match. Dortmund will need their whole starting XI in top form to make it happen.
Can´t believe I´m doing it, but oh well...
Comparing them to their 2010 form is laughable. They are mentally and skillwise way stronger now.
You name United´s striker as the main reason, why they could do it. I don´t even think, that United would come to Bayern´s box often enough, because Carrick and whoever stands next to him would be completely overrun by Martinez and Schweinsteiger in their current form. Additionally Bayern adapeted a well organized pressing system, which always gives United problems.
Nah.
They bullied Barcelona in the air in the first leg. Vida would've sorted that out for us. I'll still fancy them to beat us though.
Good sensible post.An impressive victory, and taken both legs together, Bayern did more than just handing out their business card in Europe (to those who didn't get one last year). More a statement than a football match. A statement that they want to challenge the throne. Barcelona, clearly not at the top of their abilities, looked out of ideas of handling that ammount of pressure.
Is that a "shift of power towards the germans", as some will undoubdetly call it? I wouldn't say so. We witness the arrival of two very good football teams at the top of european football - no discussion about that. But they did it in a very different way, both on and off the field. Bayern honed their team over the last six-plus years, met a couple of cul-de-sacs (Klinsmann...) and went all in by aquiring missing pieces for big money (manager Sammer, Martinez...) all orchestrated by a coach wisened by experience.
At Dortmund, we see a miracle happening - a team formed from youngsters and unknown players that faced relegation 3 seasons ago, coached brilliantly with courage by a young coach with a vision.
They do have a few things in common; some excellent young players (many from their own schools) are part of them, but at Dortmund, they are the spine of the team - Gündogan, Reus, Götze at BVB. At Bayern, the key positions are held by older, more experienced players and some of them are big money aquisitions - Neuer, Martinez, Robben, Ribery, Gomez, Mandzukic. If Bayern didn't have an Alaba or Müller, they just would be on the market and buy some players with the needed skillset; If Dortmund didn't have Götze, Reus or Gündogan, they would play for BuLi place 12.
Also there is little sign that other german teams will join the European top level any time soon. Schalke, Hannover, HSV or Wolfsburg can surprise in the odd season, but are nowhere near consistency, and teams following the "Dortmund model" like Mainz or Frankfurt have structural weaknesses that will stop their rise sooner or later.
So no landslide towards germany as far as i can see.
Oh, ond for those moaning about Pep dodging a real challenge by taking over Bayern: Some people that claim all Pep will have to do at Munich is lean back and count trophies. Noticed how well even a team like Barcelona does with just half a coach?
Well done.
I don't see any significant difference.
Since 2010, United have gotten stronger too. Van Persie and Kagawa have been added. Rafael has mature and for the life of me, i don't see Rooney injuring himself like he did at Allianz Arena. An inferior Arsenal side and BATE Borisov undressed this same Bayern side - Enough of the sycophantic expletives!
Bayern would absolutely kill us.
Just stop and think about what they just did to Barcelona, seriously.
Just stop and think about what they just did to Barcelona, seriously.
Arsenal were destroyed at home, and watching the second leg Bayern appeared to be complacent because of this, something they were not in the first leg, nor in any of the following 4 legs. Considering Bayerns record in all other competitions and the CL barring that one result it cant be read into enough.
This Bayern team would beat us over two legs, even if we were at our best. They wouldn't humiliate us though.
There is your biggest issue
You have a serious sight pb What a fecking bellend Wum?True although I recall Lewandowski, Götze et all having very bad performances.
Form will decide the final, as usual. People will always look back on the run both sides had leading up to the final and have Bayern as favourites (obviously and rightly so) but if there is one team that can beat Bayern, it definitely is Borussia Dortmund.
They have stepped up, we have also stepped up.........There is your biggest issue
Don't want to rain on your parade, but who was playing against relegation 3 seasons ago? And you're saying that Bayern would just buy someone if they didn't have certain players, whereas Dortmund just would not have invested the €22mil they spent on Reus and Gündogan? Because that sounds pretty silly.
Come on, you're having a laugh
We really haven't stepped up that much when you think about it but them ? They're collectively and individually a much much better team
They played 49 matches this season and had four off games this season:
Bate and Arsenal in the CL and Leverkusen and Nürnberg in the Bundesliga.
Four out of 49. You really wanna bet on them having an off day vs. United?
They have one single weakness and this is defense at set pieces (probably the biggest chance of Dortmund in the final).
Agree, there's no way they'd beat us 7-0 including 3-0 at OT. We'd definitely score past them and go down fighting.
Bayern won't beat this team over 2 legs.
------De Gea------
Rafael-Rio-Vidic-Evra
-Cleverley-Carrick-Anderson
--Nani--RVP--Rooney--
Ok, 5 years ago
already 5 years? blimey, i'm getting old. Yep they would have invested otherwise, but those two transfers were gambles, Gündogan more so than Reus of course. Usually, you don't buy players of that class for that kind of money. But look at the team that won the title '11.
How many off games have we had?
cnutish cnut sending off Nani wasn't really an off-game...
I arrive in Bavaria on the morning of the final, it's gonna be a messy night out that day I reckon.
For sure they won't beat this team as SAF will never select this fantasy first 11 of yours.Come on, are you really being serious here ? I sincerely hope you're notBut the level to which United have stepped up is small in relation to Bayern.
Obviously you cant say United wouldn't go through because games aren't won on paper, but its certainly not 50/50 65/35 at best. This Bayern team have been lethal in attack and ruthless in defence against some of the best attacks in world football, I know you have a world class set of strikers, but you cant say they haven't already faced and beaten some of the best.
Uniteds midfield and defence would in all likelihood have been totally dominated, and using Bayerns two defeats to grind them with, well what happened to United when they got complacent in the ECL this season, two 1-0 losses, these things happen, but they haven't happened when Bayern have been playing as if they mean it.
Their league is weaker than Bin Laden's heart condition.
Porto can boast of a similar record and they would still get destroyed by Everton. You mean this Bayern team would be in the Premier League and they would only concede 8 league goals all year?
Surely, you must be having a laugh!
There's actually somebody in this thread trying to argue Bayern would of battered us as much as they did Barca
Embarrassing even by your standards Rob.
Embarrassing even by your standards Rob.
The myth of that game. Bayern had scored the last goal before the sending off and they had enough momentum that they were breaking on our defence and one of our players saw fit to blatantly foul to stop the attack, they were 1 goal away from qualifying with 45 left to play, anything could've happened and the red card was deserved. Also not sure what 1 half of football over 3 years ago has to do with these current sides..
You think we could have beaten Juve 4-0 and Barca 7-0 over 2 legs?
Of course we'd have a chance of going through against anyone, a slight chance though as they're on another level.