Exactly... Hence why I never wanted him in the first place (because first of all, that's not that exciting to watch the vast majority of the time, and second of all, you won't win any trophies playing like that, hence Moyes never winning anything). It's percentage football based on the presumption that one of the crosses will find it's way and it'll go in. When you see other top clubs around the world like Dortmund, Bayern, Barca, Madrid, Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool now even, they all vary their play around and have many different ways to attack you, and they cut through the opposition with quick passing, not just constant crossing. It's important to be able to do it all, but Moyes hasn't ever even showed that he's even capable of getting us play quickly and with quick, flowing passing plays, other then the game against Leverkusen, but arguably the most important player in that victory isn't part of Moyes' plans.
Who would you have as our new manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Not that Malcolm Glazer gives a shit what I think, but I'm been giving a lot of thought as to who should succeed Moyes this summer and the name that keeps coming up that makes the most sense is (apart from the ridiculous thought of bringing in Mourinho now) is Pochettino. You've made the argument well, Mauzindark, and there's not a lot more I can add.
The way to handle this is to give Giggs the job after the Liverpool match and see how things go through the end of the season. If we're playing brilliant football then I suppose Giggs would have be given serious consideration for the job on a full time basis. But if not and we're looking for other options, I'd go with Pochettino. Not that he's a sure bet -- it will be a risk -- but he would put out a much higher quality product on the pitch than Moyes. And I'd even suspect he would be able to land continental players that Moyes couldn't even dream of attracting.
There's something incredibly romantic about bringing Giggs in and you could imagine it either being a stroke of brilliance or an awful experiment that fails miserably (perish the thought).
I think it could work personally, if he was allowed to bring in the coaches he wanted which would probably be Mick and Rene back and he set us up accordingly. He'd have enough respect and leverage at the club to, unlike Moyes, delegate and have belief in his tactics.
You'd know things were going to be done "the United way", he understands the traditions, the mentality and the players.
In fact, the more I think about it the more I like the idea.
I think it could work personally, if he was allowed to bring in the coaches he wanted which would probably be Mick and Rene back and he set us up accordingly. He'd have enough respect and leverage at the club to, unlike Moyes, delegate and have belief in his tactics.
You'd know things were going to be done "the United way", he understands the traditions, the mentality and the players.
In fact, the more I think about it the more I like the idea.
Moyes's Everton were a very cautious defensive organized team and quick on the counter.......many of their goals came from set pieces.....plenty of hoof ball football tactics into the mix too up to fellaini or duncan ferguson or Yakubu etc...they always played with heart and aggression and were always a nightmare to play against like coming up against a Pulis Stoke team on a cold tuesday night.
Problem is Moyes has absolutely no experience of playing an attractive attacking style of football. And unfortunately he doesn't seem to be a fast learner from getting Fergies help in the background.
That's why I think most Utd fans would in this moment snap your hand off if they were offered Pochettino as a replacement for Moyes in the summer. Moyes could be a great manager if he could learn how to set his teams up to play nice attacking football but he's so far away from learning that part of the game that you just think it's definitely not worth the hassle of having patience with him
Problem is Moyes has absolutely no experience of playing an attractive attacking style of football. And unfortunately he doesn't seem to be a fast learner from getting Fergies help in the background.
That's why I think most Utd fans would in this moment snap your hand off if they were offered Pochettino as a replacement for Moyes in the summer. Moyes could be a great manager if he could learn how to set his teams up to play nice attacking football but he's so far away from learning that part of the game that you just think it's definitely not worth the hassle of having patience with him
The one positive for the club after the 'Moyes experiment' is that as a fanbase we'd be pretty much happy for them to try anyone who can play decent, progressive football.
You seem to have this idea that managers can't be anything other than mediocre unless they are "considered" to be great. If that were the case, then Barcelona wouldnt have hired Guardiola and Atletico wouldnt have hired Simeone, both of which would have been huge mistakes. Guadiola clearly had what it took to manage a big club despite us knowing nothing about it. People here are too rigid with their opinions. Just like the midfield threads with their "But what top class mifielders are available??!? I can't see any!!" Well, that's because you're aware of only a tiny portion of the actual talent out there.
Agreed although I wouldn't give the job to Giggsy. We can't be sentimental with our next full term appointment and Giggsy still has a lot of learning to do - so maybe in 5 years. Unfortunately I suspect whatever DM does he'll be given a couple of years at the least and that's what worries me.
Yea or you're just overrating Martinez and Pochettino while being very keen on underrating Moyes.
Nope. I'm not arguing for or against anyone in that post. Rather, I'm making the point that these things aren't set it stone and that calling these managers "mediocre" is premature.
Well we stupidly missed the boat on the outright best......so it's just a potshot Chelsea style, never know how these managers adapt to new countries. Jose is the best all round by a distance, possibly by Pep.......and I'm not sure I'd want to see Pep in a team that isn't stacked....that happens to be Man Utd, could be a huge swing and a miss.
Very romantic but also incredibly naive. I'd be all for letting him be caretaker when we sack Moyes though.
There's no need to rush Giggsy. Let him further his education as assistant or U21 coach first.
Precisely. We always knew that taking over from Fergie would be pretty much impossible given all he's achieved.
It was always going to take someone to fail before someone else could come in with a proper clean slate.
Why is it premature? Because I call them medicore right now? I'm not predicting future that they won't be world class managers in years but right now, that's just what they are and they are just what we don't need.
You would imagine if there was a 'caretaker' manager then the person most suited to it would be Warren Joyce who has been doing great work with the reserves and was highly respected by SAF.
I just find it odd how you've narrowed prospects down to a handful of individuals. It's extremely close minded. If Barca or Atletico thought like you do they would have branded Guardiola and Simeone as rubbish (not even mediocre) and not given them a second of their time.
IMO United dont need a manager who has won loads of trophies, it means a manager who can win loads of trophies.
Providing we don't make the same mistake like with Moyes. Which was expecting Manchester United to change the manger rather than the other way round. Sound pretty funny when you look at it. A defensive resilient coach who we expected to play fast and progressive football.
No I disagree with your point in the posting I replied to that Everton played long ball football. They didn't. I also think Everton were good to watch. They punched above their weight and they could be very entertaining.
Funny you are now moving the goal posts with this posting.
Louis Van Gaal anyone?
I'd say that if we're talking about caretakers, though I hope we don't go down that route, it should be someone the players know and appreciate.
Probably anyone to be honest...
Klopp would make very good sense though!
Guus Hiddink would be fantastic too!
We need a manager who knows how to manage a team that is NOT an underdog - team like Everton. A manager who knows how to create a match, motivate players and plays a more modern style of football!
Honestly I can't make sense of what Moyes is trying to make the team play like, buying the best shortpasser and dribler in the EPL in Mata and playing with lots of crosses and long passes.. The style of united is to have wide (very wide) players, note players floating around like Mata.. He would be more suitable to a 4-3-3. A change I would not oppose, at all, but playing Mata wide in 4-4-2 is wrong imo.
-----------DDG
Rafa - Evans - Jones - Evra
-----Carrick - Fellaini---
---------Mata----------
Rooney - RVP - Januzaj
Looking at it, player for player - can't believe how underperformning we are!! :-(
Klopp would make very good sense though!
Guus Hiddink would be fantastic too!
We need a manager who knows how to manage a team that is NOT an underdog - team like Everton. A manager who knows how to create a match, motivate players and plays a more modern style of football!
Honestly I can't make sense of what Moyes is trying to make the team play like, buying the best shortpasser and dribler in the EPL in Mata and playing with lots of crosses and long passes.. The style of united is to have wide (very wide) players, note players floating around like Mata.. He would be more suitable to a 4-3-3. A change I would not oppose, at all, but playing Mata wide in 4-4-2 is wrong imo.
-----------DDG
Rafa - Evans - Jones - Evra
-----Carrick - Fellaini---
---------Mata----------
Rooney - RVP - Januzaj
Looking at it, player for player - can't believe how underperformning we are!! :-(
How often this season has this lineup been possible given the injuries we have had?. How many games could we have done this?
We need a manager with a proven track record of success who will instantly command the respect of the players.
Klopp would be a fantastic choice.
I firmly believe that he would improve the team without even walking into the training ground. Can you imagine what his appointment would do for Kagawa? With regard to your team above, I would be nothing short of dumbfounded if Kagawa was not the key ingredient for Klopp at United. As I've just posted in the Kagawa thread, I believe that interchanging Januzaj - Kagawa - Mata behind Rooney would be immense.
What with our increasingly bleak form and Bayern's inevitable 5/6 year run at everything, Klopp may very well be attainable.
Nope. IIIRC most players he has worked with hate him. Hes said to be an arogant prick with superiority Complex.
That is correct. Usually after a few years he falls out with both the players and the club. However on those years he will pretty much guarantee you a great infrastructure for the next manager, exciting football and possibly a few trophies.
I think that from the available choices he is the best choice (although personally I favour Bielsa - he is even more extreme than Van Gaal) and he can give some good years. When he falls out with the players/club, well, pull the trigger and sack him. Hopefully by then either Klopp would be available or Ole would have shown that he can do a job here.
Its a gimpish thread, Moyes won't get sacked that quickly, thats not the way our club operates.
Van Gaal shouldn't be a bad choice, but only for two seasons to see out the transition.
Capello should also be an option hard to ignore for a very short term.
Fatih Terim would be an even better option.
also Hiddink, if he agrees for a long term
May be Guardiola or Klopp or Ancelotti (after he gets sacked from Real) all would great choices for a longer run once the team has shaped a bit.
or handover the reins completely to managers like Martinez or Simeone. They wouldn't be pulling up trees but can atleast offer postive and attacking brand of football we completely lack at the moment.
Van Gaal shouldn't be a bad choice, but only for two seasons to see out the transition.
Capello should also be an option hard to ignore for a very short term.
Fatih Terim would be an even better option.
also Hiddink, if he agrees for a long term
May be Guardiola or Klopp or Ancelotti (after he gets sacked from Real) all would great choices for a longer run once the team has shaped a bit.
or handover the reins completely to managers like Martinez or Simeone. They wouldn't be pulling up trees but can atleast offer postive and attacking brand of football we completely lack at the moment.
Well that would rule out Hiddink, which is a shame because he would be a good short term manager for us. We really should at least start thinking of Van Gaal before it's too late and he ends up Spurs or somewhere else. I'd hate for us to be in the position where we do decide that Moyes is not the man for us but we keep him on for lack of a better option.
Giddy up fellas! If everything goes alright, 'Arry will be available after 3pm this afternoon.
Okay fair point, but we still have Vidic, Rio, Fletcher, Cleverly, Welbeck and Chicharito.. Not bad to substitute from..
But what point does it make to because every single one of them are not performing at the level they were last season! Only Rooney have improved actually, rest have fallen to pieces and what change have been made? Moyes in - Fergie out..
I think he would do a great job the next 4 moths at united - he is good at bringing confidence into the players!
Any caretaker would do for the rest of the year and Klopp next year.
Sorry, QPR scored. He off the table till Leeds score again.
Yep, as long as we actually have Klopp nailed down as the new appointment. There's no point sacking Moyes yet if we actually don't have a clue who'll replace him.
Van Gaal could be a great for this gap..
Why don't we hire Ruud Van Nistelrooy? I would love to see that happen.
I think Moyes has to be sacked because if he isn't we lose too many players.
Vidic and Evra will probably go yet we could do with both playing a squad role next season.
Nani, Chicharito and Kagawa will go.
RVP possibly could go.
It's all well and good giving Moyes time but so far it appears he will do more damage than good.
Glazers will leave it up to Ferguson though I think, if they are willing to give Moyes time to get it right they will too give Ferguson another chance. I just hope Ferguson is as ruthless a whatever he is now as he was manager. If Moyes was a player he would be out the door and so in fergie we must trust.
Vidic and Evra will probably go yet we could do with both playing a squad role next season.
Nani, Chicharito and Kagawa will go.
RVP possibly could go.
It's all well and good giving Moyes time but so far it appears he will do more damage than good.
Glazers will leave it up to Ferguson though I think, if they are willing to give Moyes time to get it right they will too give Ferguson another chance. I just hope Ferguson is as ruthless a whatever he is now as he was manager. If Moyes was a player he would be out the door and so in fergie we must trust.
Do you real think we can pry Klopp away from Dortmund? I'd love it to be the case but our resident Germans consider it just as likely that we sign Messi.
If Fergie had used common sense last May and appointed Jose instead of getting all emotional and appointing a novice, this thread would be non existent.
I would love it if mauricio pochettino will be consider for the United job if Moyes does not improve our team performances. He was my personal choice to take over since last summer when Ferguaon retired. Moreover, I will have the upmost confident for United's future, if he was the one doing the rebuilding and imbueing a new philosophy at United.