baskinginthesun
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Haha. Oh yeah, because that guy loves to fly.They have to offer to take Dennis Bergkamp along as well, he'd love it.
Haha. Oh yeah, because that guy loves to fly.They have to offer to take Dennis Bergkamp along as well, he'd love it.
In terms of passes per game, Holland were 10th out of the 32 (England were ahead of them).With all due respect you are rewriting history. Holland never dominated a single game in the world cup. They usually took an early lead and then defended deep the whole game. The attack was very disjointed and lacked cohesion. Robben was an individual, Kuyt was a defensive winger and RvP was left on an Island all by himself with zero support. Holland also played two defensive midfielders who barely ventured outside their half.
I would also like to see those posession stats, i really doubt Holland had the 3rd highest possession in the tournement.
Thanks. Pretty much proves my point and that Dutch guy was saying Holland were dominant in the tournament lol. They even sat back and defended deep against the group stage opponents like Denmark and Japan.In terms of passes per game, Holland were 10th out of the 32 (England were ahead of them).
With all due respect you are rewriting history. Holland never dominated a single game in the world cup. They usually took an early lead and then defended deep the whole game. The attack was very disjointed and lacked cohesion. Robben was an individual, Kuyt was a defensive winger and RvP was left on an Island all by himself with zero support. Holland also played two defensive midfielders who barely ventured outside their half.
I would also like to see those posession stats, i really doubt Holland had the 3rd highest possession in the tournement.
That's just not true, Netherlands dominated some games in the group stage especially. It's bullshit to compare passes per game with England or other countries that got kicked out early. No shit you're going to get more passes and possession in the group stages than later in the finals. When Netherlands played Denmark they had 499 passes compared to Denmark's 256.In terms of passes per game, Holland were 10th out of the 32 (England were ahead of them).
In terms of passes per game, Holland were 10th out of the 32 (England were ahead of them).
I agree that there's actually not that much criticism at all. Sure, some would like to see better football, even Van Gaal says our play needs to improve, but I've heard few people saying we need to change our style of play.I consider myself up to speed on the WC and I don't feel like we're giving LVG a hard time at all here in The Netherlands. He gets a lot of praise for getting the max out of - what is essentially - an Eredivisie team.
I also feel like I'm watching another version of the WC than others. LVG is playing Total Football. He has been doing so for over 5 years now. It's called Total Football 2.0.
Built on the foundation of Total Football, AZ's game is to sit back and wait for their opponents to overstretch themselves and then break out. Their skilled, lightning-quick strikers are sufficiently superior to their guards to capitalise on only a handful of chances.That is from 2009, but it's exactly what he did against Spain and Chile.
There is much more going on than just defending and counters. I find his organic tactics most refreshing.
It's mainly journalists who are disappointed with Van Gaal not failing. Getting back at him for 25 years not sucking up to them and for not letting them have a say about which players should play, like his predecessors did.It's crazy on so many levels. Didn't the Dutch have low exceptions going into the World Cup? I remember a few people saying they would be happy if they finish third and now they're one of the favourites to win it, if I was Dutch I would be over the moon.
No one did. But Australia and Chili were a bit disappointing in the aspect of posession and fluency. I agree, I'm disappointed too. It's a shame now whe finally have the right manager, we aren't able to play the Dutch School. It's not just the right manager, he's the master of the Dutch School, the one who took it to another level and keeps finetuning en innovating on it. I understand the necessity to play a different way, but it's still disappointing. What could have been...Plus, I don't think you guys have the players to play Total Football even if LVG wanted to. Honestly though, I'm liking the football Netherlands are playing, I mean the Spain match was just awesome, how can anyone complain after that?
It really is. The wankfest is getting to me.Said it after the group stage, and will say it again, that is really one average team.
Apart from RvP and Robben, I can't see any players that would go anywhere near top teams, so I would be mad if we are looking to bring any player from this team. What surprises me the most is lack of technical abilities in that team, half of the team is struggling with even controlling the ball.
Clear penalty in my opinion. Marquez lunged in, and the contact was there for everyone to see.Robben was the player of the group stages, he most certainly wasn't great today, and he's just cheated to take his team through to the quarter finals. Hopefully they get knocked out in the next round, proper scumbag thing to do, feel for Mexico, though Marquez should have known better seeing as who was running in the area. Absoloute tart.
Yeah, same here.It really is. The wankfest is getting to me.
Have another look. Marquez plants his foot, Robben makes sure he makes contact, arches his back, left leg goes springing back. It's not a penalty as he wasn't impeded, he choses to go over Marquez's foot.Clear penalty in my opinion. Marquez lunged in, and the contact was there for everyone to see.
The problem is that what you describe there is a penalty. I don't like it anymore than you do, but Marquez planting his foot makes it possible for the ref to blow his whistle. The starfish is painful to watch, always, but technically speaking it's a penalty.Have another look. Marquez plants his foot, Robben makes sure he makes contact, arches his back, left leg goes springing back. It's not a penalty as he wasn't impeded, he choses to go over Marquez's foot.
I think people are generally excited for LvG, his tactics, and the fact his team is winning in the World Cup. You can't fault them. And most of them do know the team is average, which makes it even more remarkable. Sort of.It really is. The wankfest is getting to me.
They're actually quite good but had a bad day today. Especially when you consider the heat, Mexico's strong performance, the loss of De Jong early on which rendered them a bit toothless in midfield, and an off day by RvP and Robben. I wouldn't be surprised if they march on to win it all, despite not having access to their most influential player.Said it after the group stage, and will say it again, that is really one average team.
Apart from RvP and Robben, I can't see any players that would go anywhere near top teams, so I would be mad if we are looking to bring any player from this team. What surprises me the most is lack of technical abilities in that team, half of the team is struggling with even controlling the ball.
He only got the third penalty he deserved. He made sure he got it, yes, but it was one. He also jumped a few tackles in the box.Robben was the player of the group stages, he most certainly wasn't great today, and he's just cheated to take his team through to the quarter finals. Hopefully they get knocked out in the next round, proper scumbag thing to do, feel for Mexico, though Marquez should have known better seeing as who was running in the area. Absoloute tart.
Scouse tears.Special Mention to Dirk Kuyt for Today's game, btw.
First at LWB, then RB and even partnering Huntelaar for a period at 33 he was freaking everywhere in the heat of Fortaleza.
What does he Eat/Drink ?
Nope. That's Argentina. Six different players have scored for Netherlands this tournament, more than any other team so far in the WC. (Stat courtesy Opta).The Netherlands at the world cup 2014 so far is the very definition of a one man team.
That's if you only see scoring as the most important thing on judging player.Nope. That's Argentina. Six different players have scored for Netherlands this tournament, more than any other team so far in the WC. (Stat courtesy Opta).
True, but i bet 75% of the chances netherlands have created involves robben blasting through a defender. He is having an incredible tournament.Nope. That's Argentina. Six different players have scored for Netherlands this tournament, more than any other team so far in the WC. (Stat courtesy Opta).
Or if you bothered to watch the games you'd see they're currently being carried through by Messi.That's if you only see scoring as the most important thing on judging player.
Well, what evidence is there to suggest Holland are a one man team? They've had game changing contributions from more than one player.That's if you only see scoring as the most important thing on judging player.
He's not though is he? He was very good in the group stages, the stand out performer against Spain, but he was woeful today until the final quarter of the game, and he cheated to get his team through, and by that I mean the entire second half, not just the penalty incident. Massive over-exaggeration on his performances, bit cringeworthy.True, but i bet 75% of the chances netherlands have created involves robben blasting through a defender. He is having an incredible tournament.
They(team) are quite good, but mostly due the van Gaal combined with van Persie and Robben. Individually, they aren't that good.They're actually quite good but had a bad day today. Especially when you consider the heat, Mexico's strong performance, the loss of De Jong early on which rendered them a bit toothless in midfield, and an off day by RvP and Robben. I wouldn't be surprised if they march on to win it all, despite not having access to their most influential player.
Yes individually they may not be like Brazil or Germany, but that's irrelevant since its a team sport and they are in the quarters of the WC.They(team) are quite good, but mostly due the van Gaal combined with van Persie and Robben. Individually, they aren't that good.
What he does prior to the penalty situation is why he is - cnut or not - one of the most dangerous players in the world. He's stood out as probably the sharpest offensive player so far in the World Cup - I don't think the praise he's been getting has been exaggerated at all. Nobody else in that team has done much to impress me, though.He's not though is he? He was very good in the group stages, the stand out performer against Spain, but he was woeful today until the final quarter of the game, and he cheated to get his team through, and by that I mean the entire second half, not just the penalty incident. Massive over-exaggeration on his performances, bit cringeworthy.
Messi has been decisive with his goals. If that means carrying your team then you're right.Or if you bothered to watch the games you'd see they're currently being carried through by Messi.
Di Maria, Higuain and co are yet to turn up. Aguero was shocking till he got injured, their midfield is crap and the defence look like conceeding whenever teams go forwards. The fact their keeper has been their second best player after Messi speaks volumes.
Yeah, my initial point was that they aren't good individually, I never said anything about them as a team.Yes individually they may not be like Brazil or Germany, but that's irrelevant since its a team sport and they are in the quarters of the WC.
Yeah, he was incredible. One of the best players in the pitch.Special Mention to Dirk Kuyt for Today's game, btw.
First at LWB, then RB and even partnering Huntelaar for a period at 33 he was freaking everywhere in the heat of Fortaleza.
What does he Eat/Drink ?