[stevoc]

Like I said its your posts that are being mocked.

I cant change your inability to see that.

Yeah ok, if you say so it must be true.

Meanwhile back in the real world...

 

[The Black Pearl]

Organising the defence? Ah yes. A world where shouting at teammates after ones own mistakes is considered organising. Yep. We were lucky they managed so few shots on target. Imagine he defended like that in the Champions League, instead of against diouf?

Do you think Evans is a good enough player to regularly start for this club?

Forget Evans for a minute and look at the broader picture, imagine we defended like that or or what we have been defending like sense practically LvG came on the scene in the Champions League. Any fool of a manager would know what to do against us, whip in as many high balls, corners, and crosses as possible because chances are they'll panic, panic and panic again. The sooner a plan, philosophy or whatever it does be called these days it is put into action at the back, one that the players understand right from the off and not be running around the place like headless chickens and being 2nd to almost every high ball that's aimed for goal area the better. Chances are we'll see less silly mistakes being made at the back and not just by Evans either but them all.

 

[Getsme]

No idea why you bring Smalling into this, he was good again. Jones probably did more daft things than Evans, but none as bad as the Mame car crash.

Smalling made several errors. Those ignoring that fact is why I keep bringing it up.

 

[Getsme]

He needs to do the following(or at least three) for a complete resurgence:

-shave his head
-Grow a beard
-wear a smaller kit(ask Valencia for tips)
-Get a full sleeve tattoo

This will make him look tougher and he'll be able to defend better. His new intimidating look will cause an infinitesimal amount of hesitation in attackers which will in turn help him by giving him more time to defend--just a tiny bit, but that's all he needs. All good defenders that don't look like freaks by birth(Per etc) develop a quirky look(Puyol's hair, Stam's head etc). Maldini is an exception but he looked good so that worked for him.

Look at Skrtle, if he looked like Evans he'd be playing for Plymouth Argyle Sweater FC.

 

[Getsme]

Forget Evans for a minute and look at the broader picture, imagine we defended like that or or what we have been defending like sense practically LvG came on the scene in the Champions League. Any fool of a manager would know what to do against us, whip in as many high balls, corners, and crosses as possible because chances are they'll panic, panic and panic again. The sooner a plan, philosophy or whatever it does be called these days it is put into action at the back, one that the players understand right from the off and not be running around the place like headless chickens and being 2nd to almost every high ball that's aimed for goal area the better. Chances are we'll see less silly mistakes being made at the back and not just by Evans either but them all.

Indeed.

 

[Loublaze]

I think we can flog him for about 6-7 M. Typical United transfer business. Hull City is calling. He'll thrive where there isn't too much pressure

 

[Fergies Formula]

For the last time Scapegoating has little to do with the team, if you don’t understand what it means how you can say he isn’t being made a scapegoat?

Definition of the verb Scapegoat - Scapegoating is the practice of singling out any party for unmerited negative treatment

The negative treatment of Evans is 100% warranted by his shit performances. Its not scapegoating if its warranted criticism. Brush up on your understanding on the word.

In regards to the LARGE handful of mistakes Evans made against Stoke, You didn’t give me 5 examaples , you gave me 2, in a game which his defensive partners made the same if not more mistakes, where the forward players only managed two shots on target.

You accusing me of making up fictional statements

I gave you 5 of what in my view mistakes (and others agree in this debate so its not just my opinion), your chopping it down to 2 to suit your bias. I will be given you no more, I don't have to justify it any longer. There was other instances but I am using my memory to extract those ones I listed. Your holding onto the point about a LARGE handful of mistakes. Look at the bigger picture. He is playing shit and your defending him relentlessly.

He has started to show leadership by organising the defence, he has also become a lot more vocal, the same can be said for Smalling, something which many on here wanted him to be. He lacks natural leadership and it’s going to be a learning curve for him, if he’s given the time of course.

Let me put it to you - you have said he has shown leadership? Show us positive evidence of this. The truth is, as I and others have noted all we see him doing is shouting at others and ggenerallylooking annoyed and frustrated by any decison that goes against the side and in turn blames others for his mistakes. Where has he shown leadership this season? Leicester? MK Dons? Stoke? Villa? There is no basis to what you say, your obviously a youngster with a point to prove but your doing yourself no favours because you have no substance and provide nothing to suit your argument, and quite frankly becoming another "Scholsey" in this thread.

The ball was whipped in to low? It went over the Stoke player and Evans head, how was it to low? Finally are you some sort of Child, 'My De Gea is better than your Evans' really?

It wasnt a lofted floater that could be plucked out the air, there was a lot of pace on it, as crosses go it was a very dangerous and decent cross, and no way should De Gea be scrambling out to get it, it would have been risky.

Not sure what you mean with that last bit - your argument is progressively deteriorating and lacking coherence. Have a lay down pal.

 

[Rozay]

Poor spells more than good ones? List them please.

The season before we got Jones and Smalling most United were calling for him to go in the summer. He was terrible, but Fergie gave him another chance and he played well that season. I am of the opinion that he has been poor for the last two years too, certainly since Fergie left. I'd say his first season was impressive, and he was good in that other season I mentioned. Other than that, he has underwhelmed.

 

[Laphroaig]

Smalling made several errors. Those ignoring that fact is why I keep bringing it up.

Can't say I remember any clear error. Remind me? I'm not counting a penalty shout the ref was perfectly entitled not to give. (If I'm not bringing the thread off track by asking you to do so.)

 

[Getsme]

Can't say I remember any clear error. Remind me? I'm not counting a penalty shout the ref was perfectly entitled not to give. (If I'm not bringing the thread off track by asking you to do so.)

You’re not blaming him for the penalty that thankfully they didn’t get? Really? It was as clear a handball as you are likely to see FFS

 

[Laphroaig]

You’re not blaming him for the penalty that thankfully they didn’t get? Really? It was as clear a handball as you are likely to see FFS

It was a genuine question, what were his other mistakes? I'm forgetful. I expected a grown-up answer, not avoidance and emoticons.

(On this particular incident: It hit his hand of course, but it hit it from 20 centimetres or something like that. Clumsy, but certainly not intentional. It's one of those where the ref is entitled to give it or not give it. Meh.)

 

[Getsme]

It was a genuine question, what were his other mistakes? I'm forgetful.

It hit his hand of course, but it hit it from 20 centimetres or something like that. Clumsy, but certainly not intentional. It's one of those where the ref is entitled to give it or not give it. Meh.

What’s the point in discussing it with you when you refuse to put any blame on Smalling for that handball, it’s obvious which way the conversation is going to go. I can’t be arsed anymore to be honest.
For the record – The first goal, and Crouch hitting the post, in both incidents he could have done a hell of a lot better, and obviousley the penalty shout.

 

[Fergies Formula]

What’s the point in discussing it with you when you refuse to put any blame on Smalling for that handball, it’s obvious which way the conversation is going to go. I can’t be arsed anymore to be honest.
For the record – The first goal, and Crouch hitting the post, in both incidents he could have done a hell of a lot better, and obviousley the penalty shout.

When crouch hit the post Smalling was all over him and as tight as a defender could be, even one of the commentators admitted there was nothing else he could have done there.

 

[Hed Zitin]

When crouch hit the post Smalling was all over him and as tight as a defender could be, even one of the commentators admitted there was nothing else he could have done there.

Yep. The ball came exactly where Crouch was. No CB on planet earth will beat lanky Crouch in the air there.

(On this particular incident: It hit his hand of course, but it hit it from 20 centimetres or something like that. Clumsy, but certainly not intentional. It's one of those where the ref is entitled to give it or not give it. Meh.)

Yep. Hit him almost point blank on the hand. Hardly his fault. Anyone who thinks he deliberately hand balled it is giving Smalling way too much credit, he'd need cat like reflexes from that distance.

 

[Getsme]

Yep. The ball came exactly where Crouch was. No CB on planet earth will beat lanky Crouch in the air there.



Yep. Hit him almost point blank on the hand. Hardly his fault. Anyone who thinks he deliberately hand balled it is giving Smalling way too much credit, he'd need cat like reflexes from that distance.

Holy feck

 

[Reds-of-Ulster]

I gave you 5 of what in my view mistakes (and others agree in this debate so its not just my opinion), your chopping it down to 2 to suit your bias. I will be given you no more, I don't have to justify it any longer. There was other instances but I am using my memory to extract those ones I listed. Your holding onto the point about a LARGE handful of mistakes. Look at the bigger picture. He is playing shit and your defending him relentlessly.

Two of those were shouting at teammates, though you were wrong as he didn't shout at Shaw, it was De Gea, are they mistakes? Or are they just things that you didn't like about him on Thursday?

 

[roseguy64]

The season before we got Jones and Smalling most United were calling for him to go in the summer. He was terrible, but Fergie gave him another chance and he played well that season. I am of the opinion that he has been poor for the last two years too, certainly since Fergie left. I'd say his first season was impressive, and he was good in that other season I mentioned. Other than that, he has underwhelmed.

Let's list his seasons then:
2008-9 - Great debut season
2009-10- Bad
2010-11- Good
2011-13- Great and people were calling for him to be and were comfortable with him starting
2013-4 - Decent but injuries
2014-5 - Horrible

 

[Fergies Formula]

Two of those were shouting at teammates, though you were wrong as he didn't shout at Shaw, it was De Gea, are they mistakes? Or are they just things that you didn't like about him on Thursday?

Read previous posts for elaboration. Thanks.

 

[Fergies Formula]

Getsme, I like the way you have massively failed to respond.

 

[Reds-of-Ulster]

Read previous posts for elaboration. Thanks.

I can't be bothered to read previous post.... Just like you said earlier.

 

[Getsme]

Getsme, I like the way you have massively failed to respond.

Massively failed to respond? Are you on the drink?

 

[Fergies Formula]

Massively failed to respond? Are you on the drink?

I'm waiting for your response from my post earlier, in your own time.

I'm guessing it won't be coming now!

 

[Loublaze]

You’re not blaming him for the penalty that thankfully they didn’t get? Really? It was as clear a handball as you are likely to see FFS

Nothing compared to Evans brain farts. Smalling is twice the defender Evans is

 

[Getsme]

I'm waiting for your response from my post earlier, in your own time.

I'm guessing it won't be coming now!

We are going in roundabouts, plus you bore me.

 

[Getsme]

Let's list his seasons then:
2008-9 - Great debut season
2009-10- Bad
2010-11- Good
2011-13- Great and people were calling for him to be and were comfortable with him starting
2013-4 - Decent but injuries
2014-5 - Horrible

I think that's fair.

 

[Fergies Formula]

We are going in roundabouts, plus you bore me.

Check mate

 

[Getsme]

Check mate

 

[Ramshock]

He really hasnt progressed tbh. I wouldnt be surprised if he was moved on. I think he would move on before Smalling

 

[SkeppyRed]

Whilst Jonny's been well below standards so far this season, he's got at least until the summer to find form and turn it around for himself. Seeing as we regularly play with 3 CHs these days, who all seem to get injured consistently, he will get plenty more opportunities to sort his season out.

I think he's been shite but if you said to me a year ago Ashley Young would become a valuable player for us I wouldn't have believed it so not going to lose all faith in Jonny yet.

 

[Laphroaig]

What’s the point in discussing it with you when you refuse to put any blame on Smalling for that handball, it’s obvious which way the conversation is going to go.

I argued my point so obviously there is a point in discussing it further. You might have chosen to point out flaws in what I wrote or you might have provided a different argument. You chose neither, you prefered simply making a hyperbolic assertion. it's not me making discussion futile here. But yes, we can leave that aside since your claim was that he made several errors. I wondered which. You managed to provide me with an answer after a bit of struggle. You're hard work. But thanks for that, I am now satisfied (but not in agreement with you).

 

[Pexbo]

He'll do alright at a side which lets him hoof it any time it's near him.

 

[Bojan11]

Whilst Jonny's been well below standards so far this season, he's got at least until the summer to find form and turn it around for himself. Seeing as we regularly play with 3 CHs these days, who all seem to get injured consistently, he will get plenty more opportunities to sort his season out.

I think he's been shite but if you said to me a year ago Ashley Young would become a valuable player for us I wouldn't have believed it so not going to lose all faith in Jonny yet.

Ashley Young is decent as cover.

We have too many decent defenders. We need to get rid of some of them and buy world class ones or potential world class defenders. Out of all the defenders we have got, I would get rid of Evans first.

He's the oldest and still gets bullied. There is nothing that really stands out about him as a defender. And he still is injury prone. Smalling for me is our best defender and he had none of the football education Evans had as a kid. Smalling was playing for Maidstone at 17. Evans has been with us since he was 9. You expect at 27 he'd be consistent and has established himself. But he hasn't.

 

[Wibble]

I've never been totally convinced by Evans and he has been poor this season. He needs to rapidly improve or be will be replaced.

Smalling has been improving and is younger. Evans is much younger so will be given more time but he also needs to improve.

 

[World Game]

I don't even...

 

[MDFC Manager]

He'll do alright at a side which lets him hoof it any time it's near him.

Which is strange, because at the start of the season, there were reports that LvG was really impressed at Evans ability of playing it out of the back.

 

[Eric'sCollar]

I don't even...

While there is no hiding from the fact that it's very poor defending there from Evans, it's a single moment in a match, he is one of those players whose mistakes are highlighted, such as this but his positive contributions go unpraised because most want rid of. Imagine if that's a United striker chasing the ball down, we would be praising the effort and desire to get the ball (not defending Evans there, just saying).

He hasn't been up to the standard he has set himself in the past but I don't think he has been as poor as many would like to think he has been. No doubting he needs to improve though but I'm sure he will, he has overcome tough spells before.

Maybe I'm biased because I always rated him when he was said to not being good enough to make it at United and was pleased to see him become a regular but I still see a valuable player there.

 

[Loublaze]

While there is no hiding from the fact that it's very poor defending there from Evans, it's a single moment in a match, he is one of those players whose mistakes are highlighted, such as this but his positive contributions go unpraised because most want rid of. Imagine if that's a United striker chasing the ball down, we would be praising the effort and desire to get the ball (not defending Evans there, just saying).

He hasn't been up to the standard he has set himself in the past but I don't think he has been as poor as many would like to think he has been. No doubting he needs to improve though but I'm sure he will, he has overcome tough spells before.

Maybe I'm biased because I always rated him when he was said to not being good enough to make it at United and was pleased to see him become a regular but I still see a valuable player there.

He has too many of these moments. MK Dons all game, Liverpool backpass to Sterling, getting bullied by Benteke for Villa's goal. Has he been poor? Hell yea!

 

[bdecuc]

No doubt he's playing quite poorly but I think calls to get rid are a little premature. I think we're all a bit impatient sometimes. He's had his injuries this season and players react differently and recover differently and re-find their form/confidence in different ways. I'm still confident he'll turn it around. An on-form Evans is a fine player.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

65/71 passes, that's Xavi like.

 

[Eric'sCollar]

He has too many of these moments. MK Dons all game, Liverpool backpass to Sterling, getting bullied by Benteke for Villa's goal. Has he been poor? Hell yea!

Well MK Dons, I don't think anyone can look back at that with any pride. A poor backpass yes but bloody hell, what players don't commit the odd shit back pass, especially defenders with the instruction to play it out. Also, how dare a player get bullied by Benteke lol the guy is a beast.

Again, I don't want my backing of him to look like I'm blind to his poor performances but there is no way he is as bad as many want him to be. He shouldn't be made a scapegoat for us wanting a world class CB, that's not his fault, it's the clubs fault.