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Yeah. Was hoping @Theon would be gone on that last round, because I knew he'd be near unbeatable when he got the chance to upgrade his defence.

Now if I get him on the next round, I'd just waive a white flag and wouldn't be bothered arguing.
The way this is going, you probably draw him, lose and then Theon adds Lahm and Vidal for Albiol and Khedira :lol:. Good luck beating that team in the final.

/edit or Ronaldinho for Sanchez or Sneijder. Theon really played this perfectly. He can finish his weak spots with the best players in their position depending on who goes through.
 

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By the way, I don't think @Skizzo is free of upgrading that Atletico trio through the final, with the likes of primed Ronaldinho-Bale-Hazard-Suarez-Eto'o-Muller-Ribery-Ibrahimovic all together in attack I'd expect better defenders than Miranda or Juanfran against them, even though they're partnered with proven partners.
Why? No striker in this draft is clearly better than Aguero, marginally only 2-3 are better. Only Ronaldinho as a left winger is better than Ribery. So they could weather those two, I don't think he will need to upgrade since there is no right back in this pool to counter goofy.
 

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The way this is going, you probably draw him, lose and then Theon adds Lahm and Vidal for Albiol and Khedira :lol:. Good luck beating that team in the final.
:lol::lol: he might get a tougher draw last round, if we matched up. My two strikers would 'bite' his defence alive. But just like in CL, I guess a bit of luck is also needed to win the draft.
 

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Why? No striker in this draft is clearly better than Aguero, marginally only 2-3 are better. Only Ronaldinho as a left winger is better than Ribery. So they could weather those two, I don't think he will need to upgrade since there is no right back in this pool to counter goofy.
This it the part of these drafts that I don't like. Ivanovic might not be able to hypothetically "contain" prime Ronaldinho at his prime, but he'll sure will do a better job than Juanfran - which makes it an instant upgrade, but people tend to look at these drafts as "okay, I'll admit losing the Ronaldinho matchup so i'll have a slightly better attacker in my side instead of upgrading the defense".
Not saying you've went in that direction(I think you didn't, with Vidic), but people tend to look at it like that. I mean look at some of the defenders in the QFs - Sokratis, Kolo Toure, Koscielny, Baines, Chivu, Albiol, Lichsteiner, no one is looking at defenses anymore.
 

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Would never have gotten two of Silva /vidic/terry. As defenders there isn't a look between them so was happy with whoever was left over. Having Ronaldinho as a winger is much more effective than upgrading a fullback/centre back since his attacking prowess more than makes up for the defensive frailty on that side.
You don't have any 90's players apart from Hazard? Some strange set-up it's going to be. Bale as a left-back? :D
 

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This it the part of these drafts that I don't like. Ivanovic might not be able to hypothetically "contain" prime Ronaldinho at his prime, but he'll sure will do a better job than Juanfran - which makes it an instant upgrade, but people tend to look at these drafts as "okay, I'll admit losing the Ronaldinho matchup so i'll have a slightly better attacker in my side instead of upgrading the defense".
Not saying you've went in that direction(I think you didn't, with Vidic), but people tend to look at it like that. I mean look at some of the defenders in the QFs - Sokratis, Kolo Toure, Koscielny, Baines, Chivu, Albiol, Lichsteiner, no one is looking at defenses anymore.
Personally I feel having an inferior defense with a superior goal keeper is better than the other way round. As de gea has shown us this season, a world class goalie will keep the attacker out 9/10.
 

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You don't have any 90's players apart from Hazard? Some strange set-up it's going to be. Bale as a left-back? :D
Bale isn't a 90s player sadly, was considering having Bale and Ronaldinho on the same side though :drool:

Am considering playing hazard in the centre or wide right. Or kaka wide right and Ronaldinho centre.
 

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Personally I feel having an inferior defense with a superior goal keeper is better than the other way round. As de gea has shown us this season, a world class goalie will keep the attacker out 9/10.
Not against the most prolific goalscorers in the past two decades in "their prime". But that's probably why we're so different in our ideas really - the basic concept of defending is different between us.

Bale isn't a 90s player sadly, was considering having Bale and Ronaldinho on the same side though :drool:

Am considering playing hazard in the centre or wide right. Or kaka wide right and Ronaldinho centre.
Bale-Ronaldinho could've been drool worthy but really muppetry and not the best way to go.

That's why I didn't like the Ronaldinho pick - Hazard-Kaka-Bale is a trio with no need for upgrading, even for Ronaldinho. I'd even prefer watching you take a better CM than Matic to create a more all round pick. Now, in your stubbornness to keep your weak defense and fighting for it you've made a mess for yourself and you're forcing yourself to either play your best player out of position(Ronaldinho), or play two of your best out of position(Hazard & Kaka) in order to play your best one in position, while giving up on Bale for no proper reason imo.
 

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Not against the most prolific goalscorers in the past two decades in "their prime". But that's probably why we're so different in our ideas really - the basic concept of defending is different between us.


Bale-Ronaldinho could've been drool worthy but really muppetry and not the best way to go.

That's why I didn't like the Ronaldinho pick - Hazard-Kaka-Bale is a trio with no need for upgrading, even for Ronaldinho. I'd even prefer watching you take a better CM than Matic to create a more all round pick. Now, in your stubbornness to keep your weak defense and fighting for it you've made a mess for yourself and you're forcing yourself to either play your best player out of position(Ronaldinho), or play two of your best out of position(Hazard & Kaka) in order to play your best one in position, while giving up on Bale for no proper reason imo.
I know :(

I was hoping that raees went through so that Ronaldinho wasn't available. Once he was though, I had no choice but to get him. Can you imagine him against any one of my defenders?

Would have lost the match immediately even if I had signed Lahm and terry. The best protection for my defense was signing him and not facing him in a match.

I only want xabi alonso or Schwein out of all the midfielders available so happy to wait one more round and see who is available.
 

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Why? No striker in this draft is clearly better than Aguero, marginally only 2-3 are better. Only Ronaldinho as a left winger is better than Ribery. So they could weather those two, I don't think he will need to upgrade since there is no right back in this pool to counter goofy.
I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Lahm in my team against Ronaldinho than with Juanfran, Piszczek or Albiol.
 

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I know :(

I was hoping that raees went through so that Ronaldinho wasn't available. Once he was though, I had no choice but to get him. Can you imagine him against any one of my defenders?

Would have lost the match immediately even if I had signed Lahm and terry. The best protection for my defense was signing him and not facing him in a match.

I only want xabi alonso or Schwein out of all the midfielders available so happy to wait one more round and see who is available.
If that's the reason, bench him! That would be a real surprise to your opponent, and your attacking quartet will tear them apart while everyone will be searching for Goofy (and at least two defenders will be marking him at the bench).
 

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If that's the reason, bench him! That would be a real surprise to your opponent, and your attacking quartet will tear them apart while everyone will be searching for Goofy (and at least two defenders will be marking him at the bench).
:lol: I was thinking of taking Silva and benching kaka!
 

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Reinforcement Pool:
  1. Pat_Mustard: 2. Villa 3. Dani Alves 4. Barzagli 5. Verratti 6. Laporte 7. Tevez 8. Kwadwo Asamoah 9. Deisler 10.Mandanda 11. Lars Bender 12. Michel Bastos
  2. Physiocrat: 2. Fabregas 4. Wilshere 5. Alba 6. Nani 7. Rafael 8. Berbatov 9. Vermalean 10. Igor Akinfeev 11. Gustavo 12. Sturridge
  3. Stobzilla: 2. Alaba 3. Vidal 4. Rooney 5. Turan 6. Özil 7. Griezmann 8. Luiz 9. Bonucci 10. Valdes 11. Otamendi 12. Kondogbia
  4. BorisDeLeFora: 2. Kompany 4. Cavani 5. Rakitic 6. Hamsik 7. Arbeloa 8. Vicente 9. Walcott 10. Ter Stegen 11. Richards 12. Kehl.
  5. Snow: 3. Busquets 4. Azpilicueta 5. Adriano 6. Thiago 7.Srna 8. Garay 9. Badstuber 10. Lloris 11. Cuadrado 12. Diego.
  6. NoPace: 1. Kroos 3. Ramos 5. Ledley King 6. Falcao 7. Casillas 8. Filipe Luis 9. T.Rosicky 10. Motta 11. Debuchy 12. Donovan.
  7. Barney: 1. Gerrard 2. Alonso 3. Martínez 4. Benatia 5. Zabaleta 6. Ricardo Rodriguez 7.Valencia 8. Benzema 9. Demichelis 10. Hart 11. Podolski 12. Benayoun.
  8. NM: 3. Maicon 5. James Rodriguez 6. Courtois 7. Subotic 8. Dante 9. Strootman 10. Mario Gomez 11. Malouda 12. Darren Fletcher.
Dropped Players: 1. Lavezzi 2. Lassana Diarra 3. Błaszczykowski 4. Coleman 5. Rojo 6. Cazorla 7. De Sciglio 8. Nigel De Jong 9. Cassano 10. Ramsey 11. Blazeretti 12. Kolarov 13. Saviola 14. Alex Song. 15. Pjanic 16. Marchisio 17. Koscielny 18. Sterling 19. D. Silva 20. Robinho 21. Sagna 22. Sokratis

QF drop outs

Raees: 2. Hummels 3. Chiellini 4. De Jong 5. Gundogan 6. Isco 7. Carvajal 8. Park Ji Sung 9. Higuain 10. C Bravo 11. Marquinhos 12. M. De Sciglio 13. Modric 14. De Rossi

The Red Viper: 2. Terry 3. Neymar 4. Van Persie 5. Hargreaves 6. Marcelo 7. Cahill 8. Lichtsteiner 9. Ramsey 10. Sirigu 11. Cazorla 12. Höwedes 13. Xavi 14. Rues

VivaJanuzaj: 2. Yaya Touré 3. Ivanovic 4. Pogba 5. Gotze 6. Alex Song 7. Clichy 8. Diego Costa 9. Pedro 10. Mertesacker 11. Begović 12. Błaszczykowski 4. di Maria

Crappycraperson: 2. Agüero 3. Varane 4. Carrick 5. Vertonghen 6. Cech 7. Lavezzi 8. Coentrao 9. Joaquin 10. Moutinho 11. Oscar 12. Cáceres 13. Vidic


Final Team for semi finals:

MJJ:
1. Kaká 2. Torres 3. Essien 4. Matic 5. Pique 6. Neuer 7. Baines 8. Piszczek 9. Bale 10. Hazard 11. Ronaldinho 12. Terry

Isotope:
1. Suárez 2. Eto'o 3. Mascherano 4. Pepe 5. Koke 6. Chivu 7. Mata 8. Keylor Navas 9. Vidal. 10. Boateng 11. Lahm 12. Di Maria

Theon:
1. Schweinsteiger 2. Ibrahimovic 3. Sánchez 4. Sneijder 5. De Gea 6. Khedira 7. Kolo 8. Raul Abiol 9. Robben 10. Cole 11. Thiago Silva 12. Vidic

Skizzo:
1. Müller 2. Evra 3. Godín 4. Miranda 5. Lewandowski 6. Juanfran 7. Handanovic 8. Seydou Keita 9. Cambiasso 10. Kroos 11. Ribery 12. Iniesta

@MJJ whom did you drop?
 
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:lol: I was thinking of taking Silva and benching kaka!
May your soul rote in hell, MJJ :lol:. Should've just left Ronaldinho alone for me, as I really don't think you were upgrading if getting the goofy meant benching Kaka.
 

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Im rooting for Theon at the moment.. liking MJJ too.. is Bale at left back?
 

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Great draw. MJJ has probably the biggest chance to beat Theon with Ronaldinho up against Albiol. Both games should be interesting.
 

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Baines and Picsczek are miles better than Bale as a fullback.
I like Picsczek. Baines is overrated. . But yeah I don't think Bale would be taken seriously as a left back here, it was more an enquiry as to whether you'll use him or not.
 

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Why? No striker in this draft is clearly better than Aguero, marginally only 2-3 are better. Only Ronaldinho as a left winger is better than Ribery. So they could weather those two, I don't think he will need to upgrade since there is no right back in this pool to counter goofy.
This it the part of these drafts that I don't like. Ivanovic might not be able to hypothetically "contain" prime Ronaldinho at his prime, but he'll sure will do a better job than Juanfran - which makes it an instant upgrade, but people tend to look at these drafts as "okay, I'll admit losing the Ronaldinho matchup so i'll have a slightly better attacker in my side instead of upgrading the defense".
Not saying you've went in that direction(I think you didn't, with Vidic), but people tend to look at it like that. I mean look at some of the defenders in the QFs - Sokratis, Kolo Toure, Koscielny, Baines, Chivu, Albiol, Lichsteiner, no one is looking at defenses anymore.
We did have a lengthy discussion on our 2nd pick and we simply felt Iniesta as a whole offered a significant upgrade, not individually as a Muppet pick but rather as a whole tactically.

We had issues with certain voters voicing concerns over Kroos pulling his weight defensively in a midfield pivot of sorts with Silva more of a pure #10. With Iniesta's industry off the ball and his ability to slot in as part of a midfield trio when needed, it significantly improved our midfield as a whole both functionally and individual wise.

We also felt that our attack was getting overlooked at times and ultimately didn't get their fair share of dues. Whilst we felt that Sterling-Silva-Müller-Lewa would have been a brilliant and a selfless front 4 brimming with team ethic, there was a bit of individualism and X factor missing there with too many of them being just viewed as supporting players and not sole match winners. Anyway that was the vibe I got during match day discussions.

The addition of Ribéry and Iniesta completely changes that and I'll stick my head out and say that we probably have the most balanced attack here, striking the right blend of creativity, goalscoring prowess, individualism and team ethic.

Add Iniesta's obvious quality - for me, the third best player in the draft after Xavi and Ronaldinho - and it became a no brainer. Iniesta also has a great platform to shine here with midfield partners Kroos-Cambiasso extremely comfortable in possession and being excellent passers whilst fellow forwards Ribéry-Müller-Lewa are terrific technically with great link up play and capable of being on the same wave length as the magical Spaniard. Kroos, Ribéry, Müller and Lewa also have the experience of playing in Pep's extreme systems which is a nice bonus too.

Contrast this with an individual upgrade (not that significant) for Juanfran with Zabaleta or Ivanovich. You do gain a fair bit more defensive solidity obviously but then you do lose a fair bit going forward and is it truly worth breaking that Atleti connection as an urgent pick at that too?

Keep in mind that Juanfran is an excellent, reliable FB himself and someone who's pulled his weight and made significant contributions to the best defense in recent history.

If there was a great RB (Alves is good but wouldn't really strengthen our defense from a purely defensive perspective) there then fine enough but the FB pool here is astoundingly poor.

Just for better context, the RBs in the quarter finals.

Raees - Carvajal
MJJ - Piszczek
TRV - Lichsteiner
Isotope - Sagna
Theon - Albiol
VivaJanuzaj - Ivanovich
Crappy - Caceres

So yes, we did evaluate our options, potential encounters and the tactical implications of our potential pick. We didn't just go Wahey Iniesta is free, feck defense.




I mean look at some of the defenders in the QFs - Sokratis, Kolo Toure, Koscielny, Baines, Chivu, Albiol, Lichsteiner, no one is looking at defenses anymore.
You could very well add Clichy and Mertesacker to that list.

I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Lahm in my team against Ronaldinho than with Juanfran, Piszczek or Albiol.
Well ofc but we already have 2 Germans and with one of them being post 90 it's hard to accommodate Lahm. Besides he was gone by our turn.
 
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Aye :D. Had to go back to your all time British draft match when you dropped Scholes :mad::mad::mad: to get that gig.



Lesson learnt - Never ever agree to a match on Friday evening.

I was half drunk and browsing the thread from the pub. Was browsing through the thread half drunk and thought @Skizzo and @Pat_Mustard would stick with their standard 4-4-2. They went for safety with a 4-5-1 and my suicidally ambitious attacking formation backfired. Btw the time I recovered from the hangover the game was gone.

I should have listened to @antohan It still was a close loss at 7-9. I was this close to back-to-back draft wins.
 

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This it the part of these drafts that I don't like. Ivanovic might not be able to hypothetically "contain" prime Ronaldinho at his prime, but he'll sure will do a better job than Juanfran - which makes it an instant upgrade, but people tend to look at these drafts as "okay, I'll admit losing the Ronaldinho matchup so i'll have a slightly better attacker in my side instead of upgrading the defense".
Not saying you've went in that direction(I think you didn't, with Vidic), but people tend to look at it like that. I mean look at some of the defenders in the QFs - Sokratis, Kolo Toure, Koscielny, Baines, Chivu, Albiol, Lichsteiner, no one is looking at defenses anymore.
In fairness to the gaffers, part of the reason beyond prioritising the pulling power of the attackers is because the pool of post-1980s defenders is shallow. That said, I'm surprised the lack of defensive quality hasn't harmed more of those who neglected it.
 

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Lesson learnt - Never ever agree to a match on Friday evening.

I was half drunk and browsing the thread from the pub. Was browsing through the thread half drunk and thought @Skizzo and @Pat_Mustard would stick with their standard 4-4-2. They went for safety with a 4-5-1 and my suicidally ambitious attacking formation backfired. Btw the time I recovered from the hangover the game was gone.

I should have listened to @antohan It still was a close loss at 7-9. I was this close to back-to-back draft wins.
Is this where all the hate really stems from? :)
 

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would stick with their standard 4-4-2. They went for safety with a 4-5-1 and my suicidally ambitious attacking formation backfired.
Tbf I did recognise that and stated so in the thread iirc but even then Stiles-Gazza was too gung ho against a proven Auld-Murdoch duo tbh. If there's a lesson to be learnt, it is that you never drop Paul Scholes :p.

The Given thing was a bit unfair imo as Given was a fine shot stopping keeper at his peak. Shouldn't have been a decisive factor not to vote for your team but I'm sure sajeev must have had other reasons which were compounded by his indifference towards Given. Either that or he has an irrational hatred for Given :p.
 

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Baines and Picsczek are miles better than Bale as a fullback.
You shouldn't think about Robben vs Bale, you should think about Bale + Hazard/Goofy vs Albiol! Attack the space!

On a more serious note, I do think that Baines stands no chance against Robben and Bale at least have the physics to challenge Robben here. Not sure about the voters though.