It's not Jose's fault that all those 3 squads who are on more salaries than Chelsea's squad under-achieved. Even if Chelsea would have only won the league, the season would have been a success.
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Nor is it pep'so fault his competition was poor irrespective of wages.
Of course. With Jose there are different set of rules. He can make the final once in 5/6 years. But pep must do it every year. I guess the expectations you have says a lot.
We all know Jose had underachieved at Madrid with no final appearance. Do you feel this Chelsea squad is better than the top 3 or even United/City squad?
Wait, now you even downplay the quality of your own players to big up Mourinho's achievements? The feck is wrong, has Mourinho brainwashed the whole club including the fans?
I'd say he has, yeah. Chelsea fans are hilarious, as you said I think a lot of them like Mourinho more than the club itself.
Bayern Munich losing to Barcelona and Dortmund on penalties in Seni-Finals = A Terrible Failure.
Chelsea losing to Bradford, and PSG who played 90 minutes with ten men = ???
Bayern have had a better season than Chelsea, I don't understand what's happening in this thread. Mourinho's attack dogs are losing their minds at the hint of weakness from Guardiola?
Chelsea losing to Bradford, and PSG who played 90 minutes with ten men = ???
Bayern have had a better season than Chelsea, I don't understand what's happening in this thread. Mourinho's attack dogs are losing their minds at the hint of weakness from Guardiola?
You said he only had a 'marginally' better head-to-head record. Im just pointing out that isn't the case. Also i got the records from several articles from places like fifa.com and telegraph.
http://www.givemesport.com/349976-is-jose-mourinho-a-better-manager-than-guardiola
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ourinho-stumped-by-Pep-Guardiolas-genius.html
http://www.fifa.com/world-match-centre/news/newsid/215/920/5/index.html
And all those reports state that Guardiola has more than twice the amount of wins than Mourinho. So unless you provide us proof of otherwise we're going to have to stick with their side of story now haven't we.
100% agree. It's bizarre.
Understandable really. Mourinho is a great manager but Chelsea isn't a great club.
Have to admit I always found the "José Mourinho, José Mourinho" chants (they must chant this more often than their main "Chewsea, Chewsea" chant) in Chelsea games strange. But this explains it I guess.
Of course it is. City's main players have almost all regressed and you've signed Costa and fabregas and improved your squad in that time.
It's his trademark. Make it seem as though his job is so difficult and everything is against him so that when he succeeds it sounds like the most remarkable thing ever.
After all these pages upon pages of productive Pep vs. Jose discussions, the only way this thread could improve even is a healthy dose of Messi vs. Ronaldo comparisons. Quality.
Perhaps this might have a little something to do with it.
Its funny how this became a discussion on Jose vs guardiola instead of guardiolas inadequacies. Guardiola apologists can only come up with strawman arguments and then keep goin in circles to prove themselves right.
But please lads its causing the dippers in here to miss and goons their dole queues...
Can people stop debating pep and jose in this thread? It is getting very tedious and turning into Messi and Ronaldo again. Should be a seperate thread.
I actually think they're both great managers. I personally prefer Pep because of his style but there's not much between them. But the Chelsea fans coming in here with childish statements like 'he ran away from Mourinho' or using strange logic that only applies when it suits their arguments is tiresome.
There's a separate thread for Pep vs Jose.
When Chelsea fans bring their ridiculously biased opinions into such threads clearly fueled by a love for Mourinho, it can't not become tedious.
It's not a thread to make up stuff about his inadequacies. Go to the Chelsea/Mourinho forum for that.
Yeah it's a joke. The PL was fecking wank this season, Chelsea didn't need to show up in the second half and still walked the league. Swap Chelsea with Bayern and they would have won the PL in a much more impressive way, with better performances and probably more points clear and instantly Pep's season would be a success while Mourinho did nothing of note of course, because every proper team can win the Bundesliga?The funniest thing about Chelsea fans in this thread is that they'll tell you that winning the Premier League with Chelsea is such a huge achievement because all the small teams can beat the bigger teams in the league. When it happens to Chelsea it proves what a great job Mourinho is doing. At the same time, you can read that going out in a one game knockout tie against Dortmund in the cup semifinal on penalties makes Bayern's season a failure. It's incredible that they don't realise how arrogant, ignorant and simply stupid their arguments are and that pretty much everything they write in this thread is utter nonsense as proven by what happened over decades in European football.
It's really just bias.
Anyway you can move the posts that have a Pep vs Mourinho theme to them from this thread to the Guardiola vs Mourinho thread?
Surely it's only natural to bring in other managers into the debate? You need context, it's impossible to rate accomplishments without comparing them to other managers in my view.
Obviously the Guardiola v Mourinho think has got out of hand but it's natural to make comparisons.
He definitely has. You only have to look at the Pep or Mata discussions. When first rumours about Mata's sale emerged they all called it bullshite and that they would question Mourinho if he sold their best player.
But all of a sudden now they can see how right Mourinho was as Mata is not great at defending blah blah (and as you know no need to remind fans of bus-parking-Mourinho what the actual job of an attacking player is).
SAF throughout his United career has been critisized much more by United fans than Mourinho by Chelsea fans.
And I don't even have a problem if they think he is some kind of genius (despite all the proof to the contrary), but what is really hilarious and hurts my eyes by reading such crap is how much they downplay other very successful teams and managers. But considering their god-like-manager does the same, this should be no surprise.
There are a couple of good Chelsea posters here, the rest however should start thinking if they were better off posting on a forum called The Special One.
Aye, the Mata one is a good example. For some reason him and Oscar could no longer play in the same team despite them being excellent together under Di Matteo and Benítez, and they started saying he was given chances by Mourinho (10 minute cameos) which he didn't take.
They didn't miss him last season either, even though their main problem was a lack of creativity.
It's no different to the Messi and Ronaldo guff, three threads for three different purposes.
@Mitchell Nicholas I'm on my phone at the minute, will tidy up later if I get on the laptop.
To be fair, Oscar and Mata being excellent together hardly translated into solid league campaigns.
I know, but they weren't the reason they failed. The Chelsea fans ended up pinning their previous campaign failings on their player of the year just because Mourinho sold him.
If internet exaggerations bother you than what doesnt.
You were trying to brush aside bayerns collapse under the injuries rug. I merely pointed out last year there were no injuries and guardiola got beat fair and square. I have stated earlier, guardiola is fairly rated, just dont be a guardiola apologist that it was injuries and not him that lost the game.
That's known to happen it football. And he is right about the injuries bit this season. That's not "pushing things under the rug". It is stating facts in the face of inane bias. You want to keep moving to different things to criticize him of course so you went to last year. feck knows why you Chelsea fans are so bothered by him to bleat on about last year even now.
Again you are bringing in Chelsea in reply to a post which had no mention of Chelsea or Mourinho at all. You did this earlier as well, when I pointed out the loss to bayern last year, you went straight on ranting about Jose when he had nothing to do with that post either.
You clearly have sometihng against Jose or Chelsea, maybe its because he is your direct opponent. I think you should look into it for the sake of reasonable arguments.
I haven't read the whole thread but I assume the reason they may bring Mourinho into things is because I've noticed Chelsea fans tend to have a particularly strong opinion of Guardiola's failings, while generally deifying their current manager.
I think if you could look at the conversation a bit more objectively, you'd be a lot less boring.
I think if you could look at the conversation a bit more objectively, you'd be a lot less boring.
I look forward to the sudden change in opinions from Chelsea fans if Pep takes the Chelsea job at some point in the future.
Not all Chelsea fans feel the same about everything. I don't have any issue with Guardiola.
I'd say his main failing has been that neither of his Cl semi finals with Bayern have been particularly close. I guess the first leg this year round was very well done until about 80 minutes but he was then undone by Messi and 3-0, though not amazingly representative of the game necessarily, ended the tie as a competition.
I don't think the tie this year was that one sided. There were a few spells in both games that killed Bayern, but mostly it was even enough.
Nowhere near as tight as the Madrid-Juve semi but nowhere near as one sided as the Bayern/Barça of 2/3 years ago or Bayern/Madrid last year.
Going out this year is not really a failing to be fair. Anyone coming up against Barca this year was going to lose, although bayern could have limited the damage in the first leg but still fair play for playing the high risk game.
What is more telling is the home loss to real last year, with a full strength squad. You would expect a lot better from a team that had been CL finalists on the bounce and treble winners the year before and it was all down to guardiola.
I'm a Pep fan, and last year was a feck up. He admits that himself, offers no excuses for it and I won't offer him excuses for that.
It's because of the mighty EPL...
What happens when Bayern takes the foot of the gas and does not give 100% each week in the Bundesliga is seen in the last three matches.
And there it was the run of play. Coming home with a 0:1 in Bernabeu is not that bad. Yes, maybe Guardiola should have substituted Müller and Götze for Mandzukic and Ribery earlier as they had the chances for the away goals - or maybe he could have played more risky there. But the kill was the two set-piece goals from Real in Munich in the first minutes. With no away goal Bayern had to score four then. Against a team that parked the bus and is great at the counter...
Yeah but you still have people here who think Bayern would win it without a manager. Especially as United fan you could see how fast you can fall with the wrong man on top. We went from clear 1st to 7th within months
No i wasn't. If you checked my earlier post i said Pep got it wrong. This is what i posted on May 6.