Nowhere near the player he was under Guardiola.
Our Rival's Squad next year - Chelsea
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Willian tracking back and helping Ivanovic on that right side was crucial last season. Can't see José dropping him.
Well, he was playing every week for Pep, right? He can't really be the same player he was if he's not playing as much.
Maybe for the games where teams park the bus at Stamford bridge it will be better to have an extra goal threat with pedro instead of Williams work rate
They should be in for Sterling, he'd be perfect at Chelsea imo. Hazard and Sterling on either side with Costa through the middle would be unstoppable.
They could get a decent fee for Cuadrado knowing Chelsea, that money would cover a good percentage of the Sterling deal.
They could get a decent fee for Cuadrado knowing Chelsea, that money would cover a good percentage of the Sterling deal.
Willian isn't just about workrate, he's also hugely important to building up attacks. People just underestimate him because he isn't usually the one finishing moves.
Might as well play Remy in those games, makes no sense bringing in an expensive player to be a backup. Especially since we are already going to waste a lot of money on Falcao.
He's not playing as much because his level has dropped considerably. Can't beat a man, runs not as threatening, finishing not as deadly etc.
Or because they now have Suarez and Neymar?
His form had already dropped before they arrived.
Ermm Pedro's work rate is as good as anyone's in world football, Willian included.
I think Pedro has regressed hugely, but a lack of work rate is a piss poor reason to prefer Willian.
Pedro is class IMO.
Would be a good signing.
Would be a good signing.
Confirmation on the Mikel thing.
"Chelsea want €15 million and Mikel asked for €5 million a season over four years. We are talking €35 million."
Makes a lot more sense than a 35m euros transfer fee!
http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/7/12/8937053/mikel-35m-fenerbahce-interest
"Chelsea want €15 million and Mikel asked for €5 million a season over four years. We are talking €35 million."
Makes a lot more sense than a 35m euros transfer fee!
http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/7/12/8937053/mikel-35m-fenerbahce-interest
So if we sign Pedro with the intent of starting him in place of Willian and line up like so:
.....................Costa...................
Hazard...........Oscar.............Pedro
...........Fabregas.....Matić...........
Azpi.....Terry.........Cahill......Ivanovic
...................Courtois.................
Bench- Falcao, Remy, Willian, Ramires, Begovic, RLC, Mikel, Zouma, Luis
A striker that'll almost certainly score 20+ if fit, both wingers that always score double figures, Oscar who scores double figures, and the best deep lying playmaker n the league behind them. Not bad, not bad at all.
Would still hope for another CM signing.
.....................Costa...................
Hazard...........Oscar.............Pedro
...........Fabregas.....Matić...........
Azpi.....Terry.........Cahill......Ivanovic
...................Courtois.................
Bench- Falcao, Remy, Willian, Ramires, Begovic, RLC, Mikel, Zouma, Luis
A striker that'll almost certainly score 20+ if fit, both wingers that always score double figures, Oscar who scores double figures, and the best deep lying playmaker n the league behind them. Not bad, not bad at all.
Would still hope for another CM signing.
Willian is better then Pedro, think Pedro will only be a squad player really... He's a good goalscorer but I don't see him really suiting Chelsea too much (or any differently to how Cuadrado has done).
Someone on here rating Willian!
At last they see the light!Always surprised when people just say he's shite... His end product isn't as good as it should be probably, but you'd be hard pressed to find a hard working winger who also is as talented as he is. He's like the perfect winger to compliment Hazard for MourinhoSomeone on here rating Willian!
Pedro hasn't scored double figures in the league in 3 of his last 4 seasons.
Someone on here rating Willian!
Pedro is one of the best goal scoring wingers in the game. He scored 0.35 goals per 90 mins as compared to 0.07 by Willian. He will definitely be needed here. There are games where Willian just doesn't cut it out. There are some games where Willian is necessary. There are games when Willian can be pshed centrally when Oscar is not there.
As per their last season stats on Squakwa, Pedro has a better overall,attacking and defensive score than Willian. Pedro also has more blocks and clearances too.
He gets good numbers but his actual performances aren't that great. There's a reason why he doesn't play much anymore, and anyone at Barca will get a ton of chances. He's a decent player, but he'll be a squad player at best at Chelsea I'd say.
Sanchez kept on doing that in PL too. Pedro has got decent record for Spain too ( 15 goals in 60 games). We want an alternative to Willian for pure goal-scoring exploits. I don't see a better and cheaper fit than Pedro at the moment. He will fit right in with out Spanish and Latin speaking players.
Oscar has never scored in double figures, Pedro has not done that in last 4-5 seasons either.
Willian is a far better player on the right than Pedro. Pedro will never be a started in the current Chelsea squad.
2012/2013 - 12
2013/2014 - 11
2014/2015 - 7
That's all competitions though. His league record is 2013/2014 with 8.
So basically he's the Brazilian Valencia then, and we all know how much rated Valencia is here.
I wonder why the club is so incessant on keeping him. He hardly played last season due to injury and lack of any form, honestly, his contribution was next to nothing in our title win. We could potentially get atleast 15mil for him if we sold him. It would also free up squad space for youngsters or new midfield signings. It just doesn't make any sense.Confirmation on the Mikel thing.
"Chelsea want €15 million and Mikel asked for €5 million a season over four years. We are talking €35 million."
Makes a lot more sense than a 35m euros transfer fee!
http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/7/12/8937053/mikel-35m-fenerbahce-interest
If we want an opposite to Willian, especially one whose intent is on scoring goals, Griezmann would be a better option than Pedro.
He'll end up going to that middle eastern club who were offering him a bumper contract.
Valencia gets a stupid amount of hate on here, but Willian is better then him... Not as good as 2012 Valencia though. Still a good player.
You know you're making a shit argument if you have to count goals in europa league and league cup.
Oscar is not prolific, has never been.
Double figures in all competitions for an AM is perfectly acceptable. More is nice obviously, but he's doing ok.
Sure. He is doing great if you take his Goals + Assists + Defensive work all into account. He is a solid player.
My reply to Orc was meant to highlight the fact that Oscar is hardly prolific as Orc was claiming him to be.
If they only add Pedro, it's hardly a great summer for them. The should be trying to add one proper star every year now to compete for the CL. And to ward off the likes of us and City who are chasing and spending.
@septic: Don't you forget Falcak? ;-)
But essentially you're right. I don't think that we have had a great summer thus far and I don't think that it'll become better from now on. The CL title is not the main aim I guess. For me it would be more important to win the PL. As things stand more or less the same squad like last season will have to do it.
But essentially you're right. I don't think that we have had a great summer thus far and I don't think that it'll become better from now on. The CL title is not the main aim I guess. For me it would be more important to win the PL. As things stand more or less the same squad like last season will have to do it.
Just goes to show how easy it was for them last summer to target upgrades to what they already had, a lot harder this summer to find players better than what they've got now
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I would say fairly confidently that we'll struggle to retain the league if we go into the season with the same team minus Cech as last season. We walked the league but were definitely lacking something. Im not particularly worried about City as Sterling is decent but not great and Pel is an average manager. Arsenal however look the real deal, I think itll be between us and them for the title with United in 3rd. Even Pedro would be a decent addition, but we need to do something.
Pedro and Aranguiz look likely.
Still favourites for the league, Pedro would be a great signing.
Hope they don't get him.
Hope they don't get him.
What ever happened to Romeu Chelsea fans? I thought he was quietly impressive when he first broke in.
We know with certainty that there will be 2 more signings at least since José said we will buy a defender and a midfielder. Wish we knew whether he means a CM or AM and which defensive position he's thinking as well.
The Filipe Luis rumors have died down so maybe he's staying and we won't need another fullback. In that case maybe we are indeed in for another CB.
Frustrating not knowing anything whilst at the same time seeing all of our rivals strengthening. If we aren't after superstars I'm really not sure how we haven't done all of our business already. No one we're being linked with is that expensive so why can't we just pay up and get them in?
The Filipe Luis rumors have died down so maybe he's staying and we won't need another fullback. In that case maybe we are indeed in for another CB.
Frustrating not knowing anything whilst at the same time seeing all of our rivals strengthening. If we aren't after superstars I'm really not sure how we haven't done all of our business already. No one we're being linked with is that expensive so why can't we just pay up and get them in?
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