It's not so much punishment as using all the leverage possible to try and get him to sign a new contract, so we can get a decent fee when we agree to let him have the move he wants next summer. Basically getting him to do what Ronaldo did.
De Gea Contract Situation
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
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Those stats also kybosh the theories about him not working well with Hoek.
I am not sure whether this has been posted before but that is just shows (for the stats nerds) how far DDG has improved his weaknesses in his game. Punching rather than catching the ball has been 'trademark' of these continental 'keepers. Saw the Super Cup game and that Valencia 'keeper (Beto) rather punched the ball (flashily of course) than catching the ball.
Just hope DDG will see how "hard" Real is working towards his acquisition and have a U-turn in his decision and stay with United, signing long term contracts. September is still long way to go though.
Yeah, in a perfect world he would sign a new contract ... but he has no real perogative to do so unfortunately. He gets the move he wants next summer, and he gets a boat load of cash. Why chance his arm when he doesn't have to? Us holding him to blackmail over first team football in return for signing is hardly going to endeer us to him either... if anything it'll just sour our relationship with him, and then even if he did sign it, it could well lead to a drop in performance.
The Ronaldo thing was a bit different, in that I'm fairly sure it was based solely around Ronaldo's relationship with Fergie... also, I don't imagine we threatened him with reserve team football either.
well if his concentration and attitude is good and we pay for all the trophies than yeah he can start but I would certainly try to rotate him with one of our keepers to see what we have as other options once he's gone. Playing in reserves is extreme way to deal with him but he should show respect and sign the new contract..
Imagine spending 16m for a potentially world class goalkeeper who was then given chance to prove himself backed almost two seasons in a row with some dodgy performances and when he finally reached the top class bracket we will not get a penny from him while having all this patience bringing him through. It's ridiculous, he certainly owe us.
What does he owe us? We paid him money to perform at a top level, and he's done that. In fact, you could argue over the last two years, he's the only person in the squad who has actually constantly performed in their job.
Its frustrating we're losing him for nothing, but really, does money actually matter to Manchester United? We'll offset the cost of losing De Gea by signing up an official Balaclava partner in Liverpool or something
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That deal was struck as a consequence of a lengthy and good relationship between the player and the manager, not with force or threats, as you are suggesting we should do here. Would have been great if it worked though...
The way you spelled that is so confusing. My first thought was baklava and I was wondering whether Liverpool had a big Greek population.
I guess the argument you could make is that we did a pretty damn good job of helping him become the great GK he is today, but then he was so talented that it probably would've happened anyway.
True, but that was our role as his employer... and it was in our own interest too.
I've just seen a few people now say how he "owe us" and I really don't get it... the only thing he owe's us is gratitude... and I'm sure he has a bunch of that.
Imagine that we bench him for the whole season and then finish 5th in the league because the other keepers are a bit average. Then we'd become a laughing stock because our statement would be that we are fecking stupid. Keeping GGD and not playing him would be the worst thing that could happen in this situation. Either sell him now or motivate him to perform at his best.
I think that's more in reference to his first season and us persevering, although one could cite the fee we paid as the reason we did..
Yeah, I don't feel like he owes us. I'll be gutted if he goes, but in my eyes he's acted well over the whole thing, no public outbursts or comments, and until now it hasn't affected his performances. Even now, the fact that he still wants to play and is asking LvG says a lot.
I think we're doing the right thing keeping him, especially with Euro 2016 coming up, he won't want to let his performances drop.
What we know:
De Gea wants to go back to Madrid; weather, food, pussy.
De Gea would earn more if he stayed at United; so not about the money
United want 30m while Real are offering 20-25m
United willing to lose him on a free next year than lose face yet again
Given the above I believe there is a chance that De Gea could spring a big surprise.
He runs down his contract with United stringing Real along to the point where the don't replace Casillas with a top-tier keeper before their transfer ban commences next year. They will hold out till January when they can sign a pre-contract agreement with him for the summer. However, he will feck them over by signing for his boy-hood club Athletico Madrid instead.
De Gea wants to go back to Madrid; weather, food, pussy.
De Gea would earn more if he stayed at United; so not about the money
United want 30m while Real are offering 20-25m
United willing to lose him on a free next year than lose face yet again
Given the above I believe there is a chance that De Gea could spring a big surprise.
He runs down his contract with United stringing Real along to the point where the don't replace Casillas with a top-tier keeper before their transfer ban commences next year. They will hold out till January when they can sign a pre-contract agreement with him for the summer. However, he will feck them over by signing for his boy-hood club Athletico Madrid instead.
You might not need it, but it would sure help. You guys are spending a lot of money to get back to the top, and you still need a top CB and maybe a striker too. Having say £20 million to help pay for another goalkeeper is better than having to find that money yourself, especially with your debt still. For me I'd sell now. If he wants to go, let him. Yes he's amazing, but sadly if his heart is elsewhere...
we've only spent about 20-30 mil net this window, so there funds are there to fund player purchases....i think the days of players performing great because of some great allegiance to the club are long dead..its a job,even rooney was the best player on the pitch against chelsea during his saga.......united have enough income to pay that debt...so that wont b a consideration in the decision
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Ed's head splits into several pieces as he drops to the floor with a loud thud, but then there is nothing but silence. Dave stands there for a few seconds and stares at the bloody corpse in the middle of the room. Then he focuses on the large card that he had mistook for a cinder block;
We love you, Dave! Reads the front cover of the card as a little love heart key chain falls out from inside of it. But it's too late. Dave knows that no one at the club will love him for what he's now done. He knows right away that if anyone were to find out that he's killed the only man who can find the club a new National Doorknob Supplier sponsorship then he would be shipped off to Raith Rovers before he could defend his action and cry self defence. The only thing he knows that he can do to keep his place at Manchester United is to get rid of the evidence of what he's done and hope that no one will miss Ed for a few days until he can sort out an alibi.
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Please open a thread to continue this story. I'm strangely captivated.
this is fecking hilarious
After 1st of September we should have a 'Audition for DDG's girlfriend' thread.
Next year for free for me. I want us to show teams and players we can't be pushed around.
With the turnover United has at the moment we won't miss £20m.
I think the one thing he owes us is professionalism and as far as I know he has been professional.
If he continues to behave professionally then he should be treated with the same curtesy by our management team.
So if the manager thinks he is our best keeper for a given match then he should play. If LVG thinks he is a liability then don't play him.
Mr PNot in squad for tomorrow's game
So stupid. At least it's Villa, but we'll drop points because of LVG's stubbornness soon.
So stupid this.
Very stupid.
van Gaal is really annoying me. Either cash in or play him, he's by far our best keeper ffs
It's clear that he won't be playing until September 12th at the earliest against Liverpoool at home
It's clear he won't play him until the window is over from what he said before the Spurs game to me...
Silly as it may be, he's decided.
Silly as it may be, he's decided.
Why not until then?
Why not first game after the start of September?
I think there's one of those beautiful (not) international breaks coming up.
We could have easily binned him during his first season when he looked like a very expensive turkey. If we had dropped him, how long would it have taken him to resurrect his career? We will never know the answer to that.
He owes us signing a new contract with a decent buy out clause, which is what he is supposed to have verbally agreed if we got a top 4 finish last season. Ronaldo had the decency to do it, so should DDG.
We could, and have done that for any player - however, that would hardly have been in our best interests.
Lets put it this way, if we didn't think he was good enough to make it through, would we have stuck by him anyway?
Ronaldo did it due to his relationship with SAF, so it's a bit of a different scenario.
No club in their right mind would have 'binned' De Gea after a season like his first at United. He started poorly but improved as the season progressed. It wasn't the terrible debut season that plenty of idiots make it out to be.
He's either not performing well in training or we're itentionally not playing him so he won't get cup tied in the Champions League in case Real cough up enough (if we only didn't play him in the CL then it would be obvious what was happening).
Maybe I'm wrong but he wouldnt be cup tied if we'd play him in CL qualifiers.
Meaning he'll miss Villa away, Brugge at home, Newcastle at home, Brugge away and Swansea away. We should be winning all of them regardless of who's the keeper, Swansea away could be a tough one though.
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