Another one using the race card when they don't get what they want.Not the first time he has complained of racism somewhere -
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Yes - but removing the accessibility to guns also removes the possibility of people being killed by guns. I really don't see how this isn't obvious.
I obviously have no sympathy with him about the shooting but that doesn't mean he couldn't have encountered genuine racism.
'Playing the race card' is such a dumb phrase, too.
Makes sense and it's true sometimes they have tons of people around just to be filmed.
he just killed himself
He's not dead but in critical condition.
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but its true, i didn't get jobs in the past and should I use the word "discrimination"? You see in US a lot of people call Indians (from India) black and from Europe the white people are from North then we have the Italians and Spanish - some (most) don't know the difference between Spanish and Hispanic and the Portuguese are from South America.
Glad he is alive so he has to face up to his wrongs.
So, a jet ski, like any motorized watercraft can be very dangerous if you don't know what you're doing (consider where a jet ski is typically used, i.e. near crowded beaches and around other craft). You may not know but in Canada and the US, many people feel that they can operate watercraft with no experience or training (the same holds true for guns). Like cars and the road, there are accepted rules and behaviors for boats and waterways that users must abide and be responsible for (many people feel it is ok to drink and operate watercraft, for example).
barros is arguing that his government requires some measure of training/licencing to operate something as simple as a jet ski, so why not do the same for firearms?*
*states that allow concealed carry typically require applicants to take a couple of courses. New Jersey, where barros lives does not issue these permits so there is no training requirement at all, hence his concern.
Just saw the video he uploaded himself. Horrible stuff. Hope he is still alive so he has to face up to what he did. Death is too easy of a way out for this cnut.
damn mobile BBC news
And I'm not saying people who want to use jetskis shouldn't take a lesson in order to operate them.
Why does a person take a jetski lesson? To operate a jetski i.e recreational fun or whatever you want to call it.
Why does a person want a gun? Other than a hunter, or a cop etc, what reason would a layman/average joe want with a gun? Its inherent purpose is to kill. If they were outlawed, would events like today occur? Of course not. The jetski analogy is neither here nor there and is just deflecting the issue. I wouldn't expect a builder to operate a crane without prior knowledge, or a pilot operating a plane.
It isn't deflecting the issue at all. It questions why government requires users of jet skis, which don't kill people very often, to undergo some degree of training to legally operate one but firearms users do not. Pretty valid point if you ask me.
A knock on effect of firearms training is an appreciation of what they are capable of and the development of respect for their power that tends to make people think twice about ambushing people who you perceive to have wronged you and gunning them down.
No, again, firearm training isn't going to stop a hot head shooting people up if he gets angry. A lack of a weapon in the first place will.
That's the crux of the issue here. It isn't rocket science knowing a gun can kill people. If you, barros, or anyone can give me a scenario where an average joe will need a gun in the first place (other than a hunter or a cop, security etc) then I'm happy to relent. But there isn't one.
Maybe firearm training will result in a decrease of firearm related deaths/incidents, but I wouldn't be so sure. If anything, it will be a tickbox exercise or an extra hoop to jump through.
People trained in fighting disciplines tend not to start fights so the logic has merit.
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Update: He did kill himself.
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I'm sure, because I live in a country with strong firearm controls in place, a comparable saturation of guns among the general population and far fewer incidents of gun violence.
That's a fairly loose claim, to be fair. Anyway, assuming it's actually true that would be down to the discipline and mental focus you need to compete in a martial art. I don't see how that's comparable with educating people on how to safely store and use a gun.
How many people trained in martial arts will beat a person to death?
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If one practices a shooting discipline (bullseye, IDP, three gun, etc) then those same qualities apply. Granted, most people barely even know how to disassemble and clean the things but the point is that requiring owners to undergo training reduces the risk of these kind of incidents occurring in the first place. Training is only one component of an effective control system, mind.
Canada has sound background checks, instructions on storage of firearms. Thus crazies are by and large eliminated from obtaining firearms.
If we implemented these laws, we would go a long way to reducing the type of shootings we have seen.
Very few. That's the point, and logic to training people.
So, what's the problem with the USA? And my point still stands, a country with no guns is still safer than a country with guns + firearms training. I'm sure because I live in such a country.
Yes, been saying that for years on here. Implementing storage requirements would save hundreds of not thousands of American lives each year.
No it's comparing apples with oranges. It takes more...whatever for a person to kill another with his bare hands than with a gun. One is a prolonged brutal assault, the other is over in a flash. You can't bring in martial arts into an argument about guns.
They have virtually no firearms controls in place, that's the problem. Almost any adult can get a gun whenever they want. Where do you live?
I was just pointing out the logic, you don't have to be so literal with it.
The UK.
I don't think so. The mental strength and discipline in martial arts I'm talking about is the ability to keep your cool in a violent situation, when the adrenaline is flowing. Not really applicable in target shooting.
The logic doesn't add up.
The guys name is Vester Lee Flanagan???? I though was Bryce Williams
feck my curiosity. Frightening videos really. Him standing so close to them waving his gun about, and they were oblivious.
Guns. America can be so stupid. And now you can print out 3D guns out of 3D printers - I'm fecking done.
The guy was a psycho, but still that makes it worse - that psychos like that can so easily just get a gun.
Guns. America can be so stupid. And now you can print out 3D guns out of 3D printers - I'm fecking done.
The guy was a psycho, but still that makes it worse - that psychos like that can so easily just get a gun.
Bryce was his reporter name, Vester was his real name.
Plenty of firearms there, mate. Especially if you include Northern Ireland. What you have in place are very strict controls.
Need I remind you about that bird you winged?
The shooting disciplines have competitions much like the martial arts. Realistically, modern practitioners experience similar adrenaline rushes from competition no matter what it is. Concentration and keeping your form is paramount to success whether your art is kung fu, bullseye, hunting, whatever.