Brendan Rodgers was once the manager of Liverpool Football Club...

[Ducklegs]

I said before the season started that Liverpool have a terrible defence, dodgy keeper and piss weak midfield and it's looking to be the case that this view might be holding up.

I think it really doesn't matter what tactics he employes with the shit he has bought, I genuinely feel they are not capable of delivering the results needed.

 

[Browniee]

Krap

That is all

 

[The Man Himself]

lol, great thread title, 10/10. RAWKites will love it too.

 

[Getsme]

Let's not pretend the game was that clearly in our favor today. If not for Blind's heroics and Martial's individual brilliance, this could've ended differently. And that was with their creative force out. With Coutinho in there, who knows what might have happened. He is massive for them and in my opinion, their best player.

Yeah, yeah, fecking yeah. LVG Out.

 

[SirAF]

KRAP

 

[Galactic]

KRAP

Amen

 

[Bobcat]

Hope he stays for another couple of years while Klopp finds another club. It's becoming abundantly clear that their 13/14 season was all about Suarez and he really has no clue on how to run a top club

 

[Xaviesta]

Hope he stays for another couple of years while Klopp finds another club. It's becoming abundantly clear that their 13/14 season was all about Suarez and he really has no clue on how to run a top club

Not disputing that, but in the 2013-14 season, they played only 43 games: 38 in the league; 2 in the league cup and three in the FA Cup. Of the others in the top four that season: Manchester City played over 50, Chelsea over 50 and Arsenal over 50. Lack of games played a massive part in Liverpool's excellent 2013-14 season.

 

[Wade3]

Yeah, yeah, fecking yeah. LVG Out.

I didn't say that anywhere. But just because we got a good result doesn't mean we had a great performance on our parts.

 

[Getsme]

I didn't say that anywhere. But just because we got a good result doesn't mean we had a great performance on our parts.

We controlled the game from start to finish.

 

[Wade3]

We controlled the game from start to finish.

No, Liverpool was toothless, we simply weren't very dangerous ourselves.

 

[clarkydaz]

STAND BY YOUR MANAGER!

 

[Getsme]

No, Liverpool was toothless, we simply weren't very dangerous ourselves.

You can only beat the team you face, what more do you want? We controlled the game, it's that simple.
They are our biggest rival and we destroyed them, cheer up FFS.

 

[bleezy]

I'm shocked he didn't buy a centre back in the summer. It's their absolute clear weakness. Conceding 50 goals in the season they nearly won the league, and again last season, and most likely it'll be around that this year too. You could get away with the personnel they have if the tactics were clear, but he wants them to pass it out from the back (which they are not good at all) but also to be quite a gritty, organised team (which goes against the passing football he asks for). They dealt well with Fellaini which was a physical and mainly aerial challenge, but it's the pace and any bit of pressure that will catch out Lovren and Skrtel, as West Ham and Martial showed. The attack will click eventually when they've got Henderson, Coutinho and Sturridge back, but I don't think they have the defence to make any match a comfortable win. There'll always be some doubts over whether they can keep the opposition quiet at the other end.

 

[Wade3]

You can only beat the team you face, what more do you want? We controlled the game, it's that simple.
They are our biggest rival and we destroyed them, cheer up FFS.

I am happy, I don't just judge a performance based on the result. At halftime, the general consensus was that it was a dull game. We didn't control it, Liverpool were simply no threat and that was mainly due to their inabilities rather than us successfully limiting them. The second half was a bit better in that aspect, but it was by no means a dominant performance. If you wanna disagree, I don't care to be quite honest, but I know what this place tends to be like when we put in a decent performance despite an unsatisfying result.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

They clearly set up for a 0-0 yesterday, it was obvious from about 5 minutes in, and yet still shipped 3 goals and lost comfortably. I remember that derby a few years ago where we set out for a point and lost and it was an awful feeling. At least have a go.

The whole point of them bringing Rodgers in was that he had a style of football he wanted them to play, what's happened to that? He just seems to throw shit against a wall now and hope something sticks.

 

[Sarni]

Let's not pretend the game was that clearly in our favor today. If not for Blind's heroics and Martial's individual brilliance, this could've ended differently. And that was with their creative force out. With Coutinho in there, who knows what might have happened. He is massive for them and in my opinion, their best player.

What? Liverpool offered next to no threat yesterday, they were appaling. I said at half time that having no lead was actually our fault because Liverpool were doing nothing out there. I don't see how you can possibly say that it was close, 3-0 win last year was much closer than yesterday's game.

 

[Getsme]

I am happy, I don't just judge a performance based on the result. At halftime, the general consensus was that it was a dull game. We didn't control it, Liverpool were simply no threat and that was mainly due to their inabilities rather than us successfully limiting them. The second half was a bit better in that aspect, but it was by no means a dominant performance. If you wanna disagree, I don't care to be quite honest, but I know what this place tends to be like when we put in a decent performance despite an unsatisfying result.

Liverpool were no threat but we didn't control the game? How do you work that out? The first half was a bore fest but we controlled it, the second half our players had more freedom and we also controlled that half. The fact you only think the second half was a bit better suggests to me that you will never be happy. Football "fans" eh?

I'll be honest, you sound disappointed that we won.

 

[sammsky1]

His quotes after the match today were as cringeworthy as anything he's said. And that's saying something.

Said 'we didn't lose as bad as last time so that's a positive'.

Also said it wasn't a free kick for Young's goal and that the penalty was lucky.

A big chunk of Rawk want him out.

I don't want him out, imagine if they managed to replace him with Klopp

Who do they realistically think they can replace him with? Klopp or Simeone have proven they can hid great teams with less budget than Rodgers has had.

Problem is that Rodgers has already spunked the war chest. Will Fenway have the funds to spend again?

 

[Joga Bonito]

“It’s clear how we want to work. I’m not one who chops and changes the philosophy – that’s something inherent in you. The idea and the philosophy is very clear on how we play. We want to be really creative – create opportunities to score goals while having a strong defensive organisation.”

Those were the words from Brendan Rodgers in the build-up to the game. Really creative? Score goals? Strong defensive organisation? Brendan, you’re a genius, nobody ever thought about doing that before.

On Saturday tea-time, Liverpool managed none of those three, an impressively s***ty hat-trick to complement the perfect one scored by Steven Naismith for Liverpool’s city rivals earlier in the day. As Rodgers and his detractors know only too well, it’s a great deal easier saying these things than doing them. Liverpool’s manager is cementing his reputation as a man who is highly capable of the former, but suspect at the latter.

Rodgers also spent his pre-match press conference demanding further patience in his project and therefore in his management, but this was the type of display that causes pen to be taken from top pocket and the P45 to be sent to print. Liverpool were not just lacklustre in attack and defence, but almost entirely without fight or cohesion. That’s unacceptable in a match of this magnitude.

“We showed good character to get back on the front foot,” said Rodgers after the match. Never change, Brendan. Unless you want to keep your job for much longer.

 

[clarkydaz]

when did they get on the front foot?

 

[Inigo Montoya]

when did they get on the front foot?

That moment when they had that one attack. Don't you recall, we were all shitting ourselves?....errrr! No

 

[clarkydaz]

Andy mate we played 2 forwards yesterday but the manager decided to play Ings on the wing.

Rodgers has lost the plot mate. Ings isn't a winger.

When a manager is making rubbish decisions like that then you know he has to go.

It was better under Hodgson than what is been currently been produced and he didn't spend over 300 million.

 

[Nights]

... and long may he remain the manager of Liverpool Football Club.

 

[SirBobbysCombover]

Rafa's faux deluded stock would have now risen to biblical proportions

 

[x42bn6]

Rodgers' methods reminds me of those celebrity diets - a diet that has some elements of good in it (i.e. drink lots of water, eat less) but also has a bunch of woo. So not full crazy, like aura healing, but maybe the dieter has to eat elements of animal poop and weird herbs, because that's what they did back in the year 1100. Rodgers created this diet and Suárez was his most famous and successful customer - although Rodgers will never admit that Suárez's success was perhaps in spite of his diet, not because of it.

Suárez has, however, convinced Rodgers that the diet somewhat-worked - while the diet was not successful for everyone, there were clearly elements that were good. It also vindicated Rodgers as a doctor - his methods to create the diet also had elements of correctness to them. Therefore Rodgers has gone back into research mode - tinkering, innovating, desperatelly seeking a better way. This is now his problem - he has to keep innovating. To basically simplify his ways and play more established tactics would be a kick to the balls as it proves his methods behind his diet (tactics) were wrong. He has an ego and I have no doubt he takes that thought very personally.

I don't think it's any surprise his tactics he's tried over the last few years have an element of things that are in vogue today, like three-man defences, possession-based football, centre-backs bring the ball out, defensive midfielders as centre-backs, inverted wingers, and players playing out of position. A lot like Pep Guardiola, with the key difference being, of course, that Pep manages a much superior side. What Rodgers has done is cherry-picked all of these elements and convinced himself that he can mush it into a coherent, successful tactic. But all he's done is created a crappy version of total football with players who simply aren't good enough for this tactic (heck, our team isn't, and van Gaal has had to splunk hundreds of millions to get just halfway there). And a lot of his failures are down to what he's not considered, like well-drilled defences.

 

[Needham]

Rafa's faux deluded stock would have now risen to biblical proportions

Just been on RAWK. It's outgrown the bible and is currently voyaging The Koran.

 

[pierrethesnack]

With Coutinho in there, who knows what might have happened. He is massive for them and in my opinion, their best player.

He should not have gotten himself stupidly booked twice the game before then.

 

[Raw]

I'm shocked he didn't buy a centre back in the summer. It's their absolute clear weakness.

The thing is they have a perfectly good CB in Sakho but they bench him for fecking Lovren

 

[Joemo]

I wonder who they'd go for. I don't think Klopp, Ancelotti etc would want to drop down to their level. I could see them going for Unai Emery though.

Knowing them they'll go for Koeman though.

 

[clarkydaz]

Just been on RAWK. It's outgrown the bible and is currently voyaging The Koran.

I love our Stevie Lad but his comments about Rafa are unashamedly picked out of shitter with bare hands. Rafa is best manager going around arguably, if not THE best.

'Arguably'

And a non believer

Remember in the 09/10 season when Rafa publicly guaranteed a top four finish and we went on to finish seventh? If that was Hodgson, he'd have been pulverised. We all have some great memories of Rafa and what he achieved in his six years here, but I do think he gets a lot of blind support from LFC fans in terms of his not so great decisions.

 

[SteveJ]

Fixed:

Rafa is best manager going around arguing

 

[predator]

It's clear they need another manager manager but I don't think anyone can sort their problems out enough to get them back to the too of English football. You can't keep selling your best player and replace them with average players. It simply will not work. Brendan Rogers has picked his transfers very poorly, another manager might pick better players but he won't stop his best ones leaving because it's to do with the club and it's stature.

 

[FC Ronaldo]

The way I see it they've got 5 choices:

1) Keep Rodgers
2) Sack Rodgers and try to get Klopp before the end of the season
3) Sack Rodgers and replace him with another young British manager to step up, ironically the best bet is Swansea's replacement, Garry Monk.
4) Sack Rodgers in the summer and get AVB
5) Sack Rodgers in the summer and get Rafa after Real have chewed him up and spat him out.

 

[The Stain]

Who do they realistically think they can replace him with? Klopp or Simeone have proven they can hid great teams with less budget than Rodgers has had.

I wonder who they'd go for. I don't think Klopp, Ancelotti etc would want to drop down to their level.

Why would Simeone leave Atletico? They have rebuilt their side, acquired a vast amount of potential future stars. When their older players need replacing, most are already at the club. Liverpool under the past couple managers don't seem to know how to rebuild their side. It's a mess.

Ancelotti taking over would be a big step down from previous clubs he's managed. Doubt he'd be interested.

Klopp. You never know. He doesn't seem to mind a project. I just can't help but to think he'd be the perfect replacement for LvG once his contract expires. Hopefully there will be a few other candidates when the time comes like Guardiola.

 

[worldinmotion66]

I don't think he's a bad manager, he just comes across as a pleb in every interview and puts pressure on himself in doing so. He's got this attitude of protecting his players and hiding from the truth, but his man management does need work I feel. You've got to call a spade a spade sometimes, he gives his players too many excuses.

Tactically, he got it completely wrong yesterday, but while he's no tactical genius, and he does seem to try radical changes in the hope of looking like one, he's really not that bad. He needs more support in defensive management but he has at least implemented a style of play that can be entertaining when it clicks.

The biggest weakness he has is trying to implement a system and shape with players that aren't suited to the roles. I was certain that their transfer business this summer had been geared towards returning to a diamond formation - they now have an abundance of forwards that are more suited to playing centrally, a great crop of attacking midfielders in Coutinho, Firmino and Lallana, and the perfect midfield pair in Henderson and Milner for all the donkey work associated with that formation. Yet he hasn't played that way. Why?

 

[SteveJ]

I don't think he's a bad manager

To me, he's simply typical of the times - someone who's incredibly ambitious without ever pausing to consider whether he actually has the talent to achieve those ambitions; ego and drive are nothing if someone fundamentally lacks the requisite abilities and foresight. And when it comes to insight, genuinely talented people know their limits - however few those may be - as they understand themselves to a far greater degree.

 

[dwd]

The majority of their fans genuinely believe that their squad is better than ours.

 

[The Law of Denis]

They have

- An Average keeper
- Below standard central defenders
- One good fullback
- No standout midfielders
- One good, when on form, playmaker
- Below average other creative players
- Benteke, who is excellent, but gets zero support so he literally has to score overhead kicks and offside goals
- A star striker who has the Hargreaves syndrome
- A manager who shows no tactical flexibility or nous

And they are amazed they are shit.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

The majority of their fans genuinely believe that their squad is better than ours.

It's baffling.

This is definitely the worst Liverpool squad I can remember in my lifetime. They've always had one or two top quality players, albeit usually surrounded by shite. The likes of Fowler, Owen, Gerrard, Alonso, Torres, Suarez etc.

Now they have nobody, maybe Coutinho but I don't think he's consistent enough. They're such an average side.