Whenever van Gaal goes, Giggs should go too...

[Red_toad]

OK - it's not important you're right, give it to Noel Edmonds then

Course you need a good assistant, you might not hear about some of them but it's still a vital job. Saying it isn't important is like saying why do businesses need good sales managers or ops managers if they have a good sales/ops director

Clueless if you're trying to compare running a company to coaching & mentoring a bunch of over paid footballers.

Please state how you know Giggs isn't a good assistant manager? Who has leaking how he coaches the players to you or the media? Who from within the club has questioned his credentials or ability? I've seen zip & all I see now are a bunch of children blaming him for the tactics/ philosophy LvG is installing into the players.

 

[Donaldo]

Absent for 18 months and suddenly he sees the light? No way my friend either you are a giggs fan or terribly naive. He did it to show to the fans and the board. Giggs was a great player, but as a human being, some of the things he has done including today make him look like a cnut.

Man, this forum sometimes....

 

[Successful]

Giggs was totally shit when he was in charge last time around. "Play like Manchester united" "let the lads go out there and just enjoy it"... he knows shit about managing a football team!!! GO feck yourself Giggs, you're not getting the job. Over my dead body.

 

[.Rossi]

He should be fecked off....

Start going down the road of "jobs for the old boys" at every given opportunity, then we're fecked. Let him go off and manage somewhere else, learn his trade and come back if he's an use. He has plenty of time ahead of him. Just because he is a legend, doesn't mean he has to be treated as if he owns the club. Bryan Robson, everyones hero. Fergie shafted him in the FA cup in 1994 and he didn't give a shit...Why? Because Fergie only cared about success for the club and what was best for it

To put it into perspective:
"I want the players to play with passion, speed and tempo" - Ryan Giggs 2014
"They should be playing with blood, thunder, passion and speed" - Andy Tate 2013

Are we looking at how Andy Tate is progressing?

 

[Lentwood]

Clueless if you're trying to compare running a company to coaching & mentoring a bunch of over paid footballers.

Please state how you know Giggs isn't a good assistant manager? Who has leaking how he coaches the players to you or the media? Who from within the club has questioned his credentials or ability? I've seen zip & all I see now are a bunch of children blaming him for the tactics/ philosophy LvG is installing into the players.

Errrrr.....isn't that EXACTLY what Sir Alex Ferguson does in his latest book? Or in his talks at Harvard University? Can't believe I am having to explain to adults why an Assistant Manager is an important job

What I said, if you read my post, is that he doesn't have the credentials. Which he doesn't. To be assistant manager at one of the biggest clubs in the world your CV should reflect that

 

[wiz4231]

We've been wanting someone instructing for the techinal area and because someone has he's a snake. This could only be said on the 'cafe. What would you say if it was one of the other coaches, would they be snakes too?

 

[Enigma_87]

whoever is appointed most likely he'll not keep him either way...

 

[wiz4231]

Giggs was totally shit when he was in charge last time around. "Play like Manchester united" "let the lads go out there and just enjoy it"... he knows shit about managing a football team!!! GO feck yourself Giggs, you're not getting the job. Over my dead body.

He had 4 bloody games, he wasn't going to win the league in that time or get us out the mess we were in. It wouldnt have changed anything regardless, also had a very short time to get coaches in and thus reverted to getting help from his buddies.

 

[Adisa]

Whether he is partly at fault or not, it would be farcical forcing him on another manager.

 

[Jazz]

He should be fecked off....

Start going down the road of "jobs for the old boys" at every given opportunity, then we're fecked. Let him go off and manage somewhere else, learn his trade and come back if he's an use. He has plenty of time ahead of him. Just because he is a legend, doesn't mean he has to be treated as if he owns the club. Bryan Robson, everyones hero. Fergie shafted him in the FA cup in 1994 and he didn't give a shit...Why? Because Fergie only cared about success for the club and what was best for it

To put it into perspective:
"I want the players to play with passion, speed and tempo" - Ryan Giggs 2014
"They should be playing with blood, thunder, passion and speed" - Andy Tate 2013

Are we looking at how Andy Tate is progressing?

Would be such a big mistake. I wish I knew Ed Woodward to shake some bloody sense into him. We can't move on with Giggs, Rooney etc there thinking they know what's best for the club. You have to cut off all these people from the past. Then go out and get a DOF, make a proper plan and then get yourself a proper manager. Living in the past is killing us and Giggs' continued presence there is toxic for anyone.

 

[MarkC]

It was coincidence. Or do you think without Steve McLaren's tactical brilliance was responsible for the treble?

I'd say we still would have won things without them. I don't believe we would have won as much as we did though. The players raved about Steve McLaren and so did Sir Alex and I find it hard to believe his input had no effect in certain situations in 99 that be it not for him might have cost us. Fine margins and all that.

Likewise with Carlos when we won the CL it's been publicised that SAF let him drill the players on where they should be down to the yard exactly what position he wanted them in. Would we have won the Barca game without him? Possibly but it just goes to show that they can be the difference between a very good season and a great one. Of course it's there job to add things like this to the team but at the same time a poor assistant is going to make the managers job much more difficult.

Common sense really as is the same in pretty much any business a managers job is much easier with a good assistant.

 

[.Rossi]

Would be such a big mistake. I wish I knew Ed Woodward to shake some bloody sense into him. We can't move on with Giggs, Rooney etc there thinking they know what's best for the club. You have to cut off all these people from the past. Then go out and get a DOF, make a proper plan and then get yourself a proper manager. Living in the past is killing us and Giggs' continued presence there is toxic for anyone.

Maybe the latest stories aren't true but, Jesus Christ they haven't half pissed me off

 

[Jazz]

Maybe the latest stories aren't true but, Jesus Christ they haven't half pissed me off

Yeah I wonder about what I heard too. But it's really pissed me off too. Completely out of order.

 

[BAMSOLA]

Some of you are clearly struggling to understand just how little power an assistant manager has especially when working under a coach who is stubborn and set in his ways.

Give Giggs the job as caretaker till the end of the season, then evaluate the situation based on performances. If LVG gets sacked it could actually work out very well in terms of the long term future of the club.

 

[SteveJ]

Maybe the latest stories aren't true but, Jesus Christ they haven't half pissed me off

Yeah I wonder about what I heard too. But it's really pissed me off too. Completely out of order.

What stories?

 

[.Rossi]

What stories?

Giggs and Rooney have gone to Ed about LvG.
Giggs has turned down manager roles at clubs this year as he expects to get the United job.

No idea if true though

 

[7even]

If anyone here really f-ing thinks that Giggs is to blame for the performances over the last few years is an absolute tit. Regardless Giggs being a #2 he's doesn't have much if any influence on the way we play, Moyes and LVG already have those that will, maybe they don't have the 'named status' to go with it. Now you could argue that it's not good enough to be the assistant and not have a say but we already know that he was given the role to learn how to manage and not dictate. For all we know it could have been Giggs behind the decision to take Fellaini of and put Herrera on, which improved our performance 10 folds, maybe that's why he was off his seat and actually trying give out instructions. The fact is just because we fear or worry that he's incompetent due to the lack of experience should not overshadow him. If he puts the right people around him, which means not his buddies but experienced coaches in the right roles he has every chance to succeed.

No!

This romantic bullshit must stop. Nothing personal against you wis4231 but this idea is nonsense. Ask yourself what is Ryan Giggs biggest asset?

 

[SteveJ]

Giggs and Rooney have gone to Ed about LvG.
Giggs has turned down manager roles at clubs this year as he expects to get the United job.

No idea if true though

Good grief.
Noel Edmonds it is then.

 

[Grib]

Giggs was totally shit when he was in charge last time around. "Play like Manchester united" "let the lads go out there and just enjoy it"... he knows shit about managing a football team!!! GO feck yourself Giggs, you're not getting the job. Over my dead body.

Well that's just about the biggest empty threat I've ever heard

 

[afrocentricity]

What stories?

Tales from the arse Steve... Vol. 1

 

[Jazz]

Good grief.
Noel Edmonds it is then.

We obviously don't know if true - but to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised they did that, sadly. This is not how we should be running a football club. We need to have a proper structure in place and not base decisions on what an assis manager and a player whose finished have to say. Should only be based on LVG's performance (which obviously is no good). But to think those two having that much power worries me. What's going to happen if they don't like the next manager (assuming it's not Giggs) - are the board going to boot him out again and so we go?
Our club is nuts, no question about it.

 

[.Rossi]

Good grief.
Noel Edmonds it is then.

King of comebacks

Mr Blobby barking orders as Noel jots down notes on his philosophy pad

 

[langster]

Giggs gets a roasting for a few pages about being on the touchline, someone posts a tweet quoting LvG saying he chats with Giggs about him directing from the touchline, tweets are mainly ignored and the argument continues. Only on the caf!

Everybody knows every great manager had a great assistant

Just like the Sith! Always two there is, a Master and an Apprentice, no more, no less.

 

[RK]

I think Giggs would do well as our manager.
Although that's a fairly baseless opinion, much like everything else in this thread.

 

[diarm]

Giggs and Rooney have gone to Ed about LvG.
Giggs has turned down manager roles at clubs this year as he expects to get the United job.

No idea if true though

Just sit down and think this through for a second. Try to imagine the conversation in your head.

"Hi Ed, it's me Wayne... remember I was the one who tried to feck off a couple of years ago and had that big row with Fergie?"
"Ah, yeah Wayne, how are you? How's that massive paycheck we keep giving you working out?"
"Er.. not to great Ed to be honest. It's the manager see.. we're having problems"
"You mean the manager who kept you on and made you captain when we all wanted to get rid of you?"
"Yeah that one".
"You mean the manager who has played you all season even though you've been shite?"
"Er... yeah Ed.. that one as well".

 

[clarkydaz]

Giggs breaks rank, wtf are you lot on about? like LVG was looking the other way while Giggs slowly crawled under barbed wire to the technical area

 

[SteveJ]

For those of us with long memories, this would be a mistake like the time in Hi-de-Hi when Jeffrey quit and Ted took over as boss; in five minutes, the camp was a shit-tip and Ted was having a statue of himself made.
Oh hang on, that was a tv show. Carry on.

 

[pocco]

I remember being told that Giggs orchestrated the downfall of Moyes and had a group of players on his side. It's not beyond belief for me that he is doing the same now.Him turning down Swansea was a sign that he knew he could be close to the hotseat. It'll just be interesting to see if his confidence is founded when he does get his wish.

 

[fallengt]

Never imaged that Giggs could trigger so many people.
Ryan Giggs tearing United's fans apart since 2012

 

[royboy16]

I can see us going through a lot of managers.

 

[dogwithabone]

Would Giggs go and bark orders without LVG's consent though ? My guess is that he was sent by LVG to do the 'barking' because he speaks English more fluently and nothing would get lost in translation or confused. Giggs won't be out there yelling anything unless van Gaal wants him too.

 

[.Rossi]

Just sit down and think this through for a second. Try to imagine the conversation in your head.

Whilst I'm not saying it's true, it's quite deluded to actually think none of this shit goes on at United...

We've seen it at Chelsea, Madrid, Liverpool to name a few....But, nah. Would never happen at United would it? We're different sure

Football is a very murky game

 

[Jazz]

I remember being told that Giggs orchestrated the downfall of Moyes and had a group of players on his side. It's not beyond belief for me that he is doing the same now.Him turning down Swansea was a sign that he knew he could be close to the hotseat. It'll just be interesting to see if his confidence is founded when he does get his wish.

Remember hearing something similar but who knows? Also heard Moyes wanted to bin him as well Now I understand why

 

[diarm]

Whilst I'm not saying it's true, it's quite deluded to actually think none of this shit goes on at United...

We've seen it at Chelsea, Madrid, Liverpool to name a few....But, nah. Would never happen at United would it? We're different sure

Football is a very murky game

You're sarcasm and rolly-eyes are obviously very clever and witty, but you've misunderstood my point. I am not claiming that this sort of thing doesn't happen at United, I'm simply pointing out that if it was to happen, it certainly wouldn't be Rooney at the front of the queue.

 

[.Rossi]

You're sarcasm and rolly-eyes are obviously very clever and witty, but you've misunderstood my point. I am not claiming that this sort of thing doesn't happen at United, I'm simply pointing out that if it was to happen, it certainly wouldn't be Rooney at the front of the queue.

Apologies. Uncalled for that.

And you're right, I did miss your point. Sorry.

 

[wiz4231]

No!

This romantic bullshit must stop. Nothing personal against you wis4231 but this idea is nonsense. Ask yourself what is Ryan Giggs biggest asset?

Being at the forefront of the most successful club in EPL on top of that a born winner. Look Im not saying Giggs can turn it around but given a chance it can't be any worse than the crap we've been seeing anyway. Why are so many against it and why is he getting so much hate?

 

[ghagua]

Don't understand the hate for Giggs. What is he supposed to do when you have LvG in charge. Good thing he broke rank today and stood beside the pitch. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

[wiz4231]

Never imaged that Giggs could trigger so many people.
Ryan Giggs tearing United's fans apart since 2012

 

[Woodzy]

For those of us with long memories, this would be a mistake like the time in Hi-de-Hi when Jeffrey quit and Ted took over as boss; in five minutes, the camp was a shit-tip and Ted was having a statue of himself made.
Oh hang on, that was a tv show. Carry on.

No, it was Hi-de-hi, you already said it.

 

[kouroux]

I have nothing negative to say about Giggs because it's impossible to know with any precision how involved he is in all the decision making that has been hurting the team. I would like to see him prove to be a competent manager at another PL club before even thinking of managing Utd.