Felipe Anderson

[pocco]

Like I stated, my opinion comes from what I have watched so far this season. And professional scouts can get it wrong so can we. This is only a forum for fans, so I doubt Woodward or LvG will take any notice of what is being said here. And from what I have watched, Sane is a name I personally have been putting forward for 6 months (I only just got promoted this week) in my discussions and it's nothing to do with City. Sane did not come out of nowhere either, he is probably a bigger name in Germany than Anderson is in Italy. He is in his 2/3 season as a member of the first team despite his age and has outshone Meyer and Draxler this season IMO.

Fair enough, this is not a Anderson vs X player thread and it should be moved elsewhere.

With that said, Anderson should not be written off but I submit that Sane is the bigger talent of the two. Time will tell.

Fair enough, you could well be right in the long run. My thinking though, as mentioned in my other post, is that he is more of a player for the future. He's got no real pressure on him at Schalke. Is he ready for a baptism of fire at Old Trafford? Because that is what any player will get that we sign now, intense scrutiny. Looking at his stats, he's not played a whole lot of football either. His experience is pretty minimal at the moment.

Without a shadow of a doubt. Lucas is the best of the lot despite my rating so far but I doubt we have any chance of getting him tbh. His lower score is obviously down to the amount of game time he has had under his belt. He is effectively a bit part player at PSG which is understandable given that Zlatan, ADM, Cavanni will always be ahead of him. That said he has played the same number of games as Anderson and Sane. So he is still important enough not to be easily sold, not that the other ones are easy.

Never been sold on Lucas. I was initially blown away by his highlights when playing in Brazil, but when I watched him a bit more he looked more and more like a speed merchant. I've not seen much of him for PSG apart from CL games so he may have progressed, but judging by his current predicament, he's not exactly setting the place on fire. I remember watching one game he was playing in and he got the ball on the half way line and was looking to counter attack. His first touch was so bad as he tried to knock it past a player that it ended up back with the goalkeeper. From the halfway line. I've never seen a touch like it since.

 

[Maradona10]

Will be a bad signing. Should sign teixera (however you spell his name from shakhtar), He is what we need. Anderson will be like memphis, but what can we say for a club that is not willing to sack a manager who hasnt won in ages and is pissing money down the drain. There are atleast 5 players who can be bought for similar or less money who will be better than him. I was right about memphis and i think i am right about this guy.
Players we should buy in same position-

• Texiera - 25 goals when i last checked in as many games, doesnt play centre forward but as a 10 or right forward. Perfect for us, will go to chelsea change their season and w will all think why we din sign him. Price 30 million
• Sane - He will be a star, his pace over a short distance is amazing and has good technical ability to become one of the best. Price 37 million euros
• Mane - A good yet effective option. Prem proven, Pace, power to burn most defender in the league. 30 million
• Lucas - The most hyped and talented(supposedly) of the lot. Speed merchant, Determined although hasnt had a good time at PSG, but its also because he was not allowed to develop. Him and neymar were thought of at a similar level of talent, Neymar improved, he stagnated. Still could be Coutinho like signing for some club although a little more expensive.
• Nebil fekir - Injured yes, but will be a great great player. Better than lacazette and probably one of the biggest talents in the world. Buy him in the summer rather than wasting 35 million on this guy.

Then you have the obvious ones in Griezmann, one of the stars real will sell to buy a new star, one of the players barca will sell because they cant get game time,max meyer,brandt,rues ETC. Knowing united we will spunk it all on one that isnt the best talent or hasnt done much at all.

 

[Devil may care]

A mentally weak player who struggles to adapt to new surroundings is a dumb choice for January anyway, but when you factor in that he's lazy defensively and tactically ill-disciplined under a manager who is obsessive in this regard, it's about the stupidest signing we could make.

 

[bucky]

A mentally weak player who struggles to adapt to new surroundings is a dumb choice for January anyway, but when you factor in that he's lazy defensively and tactically ill-disciplined under a manager who is obsessive in this regard, it's about the stupidest signing we could make.

He might have been underwhelming this season, but he isn't lazy defensively.

 

[Devil may care]

He might have been underwhelming this season, but he isn't lazy defensively.

I've seen him a few times and he reminds me of Memphis and Hazard, only tracks back now and then.

 

[dichinero]

Fair enough, you could well be right in the long run. My thinking though, as mentioned in my other post, is that he is more of a player for the future. He's got no real pressure on him at Schalke. Is he ready for a baptism of fire at Old Trafford? Because that is what any player will get that we sign now, intense scrutiny. Looking at his stats, he's not played a whole lot of football either. His experience is pretty minimal at the moment.


Never been sold on Lucas. I was initially blown away by his highlights when playing in Brazil, but when I watched him a bit more he looked more and more like a speed merchant. I've not seen much of him for PSG apart from CL games so he may have progressed, but judging by his current predicament, he's not exactly setting the place on fire. I remember watching one game he was playing in and he got the ball on the half way line and was looking to counter attack. His first touch was so bad as he tried to knock it past a player that it ended up back with the goalkeeper. From the halfway line. I've never seen a touch like it since.

You are definitely right there. We mustn't forget the intense pressure at OT. He's clearly playing in a stress free environment which is only a good thing. Schalke will always create the right environment for youngsters. Another question is whether bringing in any player is worth it if they are only going to be shackled like the current squad. My main problem is not the player but the management. Even Messi might struggle here with the pressure and philosophy. With that in mind, the key thing that stands out for me is that Sane is quite an intelligent and confident player which makes him worth a punt. Intelligence and confidence are two things that are in high demand and are seriously lacking at United.

Lucas Moura always divides opinions. I believe his potential has slightly dropped since his move from Brazil to PSG (who knows if a move to United would have been different). Or maybe European football just exposed the real potential there. He really relies on his speed and space to play. While I like watching him play from time to time, I'm not totally convinced that will be the best fit of the good lot. He is like one of those players that has those flashes of brilliance but sometimes I prefer when a player can be involved in a longer sequence of brilliant play.

 

[bucky]

I've seen him a few times and he reminds me of Memphis and Hazard, only tracks back now and then.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...72/p#tackles_won/interceptions/clearances#avg

Always a question what a manager wants from his attacking players and what is lazy for an attacking player.

 

[Devil may care]

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#serie_a/2015/2016/felipe_anderson/177/177/5559/0/p|premier_league/2015/2016/eden_hazard/165/165/454/0/p|premier_league/2015/2016/memphis_depay/165/165/7959/0/p|premier_league/2015/2016/sadio_mané/165/165/3272/0/p|la_liga/2015/2016/antoine_griezmann/176/176/1865/72/p#tackles_won/interceptions/clearances#avg

Always a question what a manager wants from his attacking players and what is lazy for an attacking player.

Every manager wants his wide players to track back and help the fullback in the modern game as fullbacks don't just sit and defend. The stats show things that could come from pressing, they don't highlight the tracking back aspect of the role, something he neglects quite often.

 

[Nighteyes]

Tracking back and defensive play can be taught and learned. That's not a problem and should not stop us from signing him as long as he's the real deal going forward.

 

[bucky]

Every manager wants his wide players to track back and help the fullback in the modern game as fullbacks don't just sit and defend. The stats show things that could come from pressing, they don't highlight the tracking back aspect of the role, something he neglects quite often.

Isn't that part of the defensive work nowadays? He's definitely involved defensively. I've seen him track back often enough and it shouldn't be his priority as an attacking player.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

This hasn't been reported by anybody remotely reliable as far as I can see.

 

[Devil may care]

Isn't that part of the defensive work nowadays? He's definitely involved defensively. I've seen him track back often enough and it shouldn't be his priority as an attacking player.

Yes it's part of it and I agree you want your attackers to be better at attacking than defending, but tracking back is a vital part of modern football as so many teams employ fullbacks that attack, so they have to attack together and defend together, covering each other.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

People here don't even seem to rate his abilities as an attacker, forget the defensive stuff.

 

[Devil81]

Wasn't this the same guy people were raving about 12 months ago?

 

[ivaldo]

Every manager wants his wide players to track back and help the fullback in the modern game as fullbacks don't just sit and defend. The stats show things that could come from pressing, they don't highlight the tracking back aspect of the role, something he neglects quite often.

It isn't lazy defensively when it comes to wingers, he actually does more than most as the stats prove - and when you are playing with two more defensively orientated midfielders you can afford to leave a wide man forward. Having his pace on the counter along with Memphis and Martial (even Herrera) would frighten a lot of teams.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

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Yeh your probably right. He seems more likr am AM than a van gaal winger anyway.

 

[Lennon7]

Yeh your probably right. He seems more likr am AM than a van gaal winger anyway.

Didn't enjoy reading that sentence

 

[Devil may care]

It isn't lazy defensively when it comes to wingers, he actually does more than most as the stats prove - and when you are playing with two more defensively orientated midfielders you can afford to leave a wide man forward. Having his pace on the counter along with Memphis and Martial (even Herrera) would frighten a lot of teams.

The stats don't prove anything as regards to tracking back, you can tackle and intercept in the opposition half, but it doesn't mean you help your fullback properly. Also while we play with 2 holding CM's only one of them covers enough grass and has the mobility to get across and help a fullback, so it's far from ideal. As for pace on the break, it would only frighten teams if there was thought on the end of the pace, with Memphis and Anderson there wouldn't be much.

 

[endless_wheelies]

Is he likely to be a Van Gaal signing or a Woodward signing?

 

[JPRouve]

The stats don't prove anything as regards to tracking back, you can tackle and intercept in the opposition half, but it doesn't mean you help your fullback properly. Also while we play with 2 holding CM's only one of them covers enough grass and has the mobility to get across and help a fullback, so it's far from ideal. As for pace on the break, it would only frighten teams if there was thought on the end of the pace, with Memphis and Anderson there wouldn't be much.

You don't think that it could be an instruction?

Apparently he attempted more tackles than all the other players mentioned while playing less games, so he clearly isn't defensively lazy, also I watched his heatmap from the Inter game and while Candreva has more activity defensively, Felipe has a perfectly acceptable heatmap.

 

[RRCE]

Is he likely to be a Van Gaal signing or a Woodward signing?

I highly doubt that Ed Woodward has any meaningful input as to who the club buys. The football people - Van Gaal and his staff, including all of the scouts - identify targets and Woodward is then tasked with trying to bring them in. He may provide input, such as target A is unattainable (not available, too expensive, difficulty with agents, etc) so it's time to move to target B, but there's no way he's actually trying to build the squad, per se. David Gill didn't even do that. For all of the recent criticism on here, the club is not run by a bunch of complete novices.

 

[Dong Fangzhuo]

Don't know how to embed tweets on my phone but sportwitness tweeted that italian media is calling BS on the english rumours, having contacted Lazio.

 

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[Devil may care]

You don't think that it could be an instruction?

Apparently he attempted more tackles than all the other players mentioned while playing less games, so he clearly isn't defensively lazy, also I watched his heatmap from the Inter game and while Candreva has more activity defensively, Felipe has a perfectly acceptable heatmap.

I find it hard to imagine he'd be instructed not to track back.

I didn't see the Inter game so he may well have put a shift in, but I have seen games where he's had the Ronaldo hand's on hips approach to getting back after losing the ball. I guess that is symptomatic of him overall, incredibly erratic and inconsistent.

 

[Kostur]

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[C'est Moi Cantona]

Don't know how to embed tweets on my phone but sportwitness tweeted that italian media is calling BS on the english rumours, having contacted Lazio.

No great surprise there, that's how these sort of rumours tend to play out.

No massive disappointment to be honest, best keeping our powder dry for the summer, and hopefully a new manager imo.

 

[Von Mistelroum]

I know I've piped up already here, but I've really no issue with buying Anderson and I think many people will be very pleasantly surprised if he arrives here. He does tend to be a little inconsistent but, on form and playing for a team where he wants to succeed (assuming that happens) I'd take him over most of the other wingers who are often mentioned as potential transfers. I'd take him over Mane, Mahrez, Sane (at this stage) and even Nolito (due to age). First choice would be Greizmann for me, but Anderson is definitely an exciting prospect if we use him right.......obviously that's a rather large caveat with LVG in charge but still.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Anyone have any idea how likely this is? Anyone credible saying it's on? I've only seen some tabloid nonsense so far

Looks like a good option and still young enough, I wouldn't like to spend the kind of money on him that means pressure is high and LVG is under pressure to play him all the time. Would love for him to come for 20m and just be an option. 40m seems just doomed to fail the way the media and our own fans go after our players

 

[fontaine]

He used to play for Santos in Neymar era. He was never a starter for them, the coach tried to transform him into a fullback because he thought he was all pace, little skills.

 

[Lennon7]

He used to play for Santos in Neymar era. He was never a starter for them, the coach tried to transform him into a fullback because he thought he was all pace, little skills.

It's cool, clubs in England are used to having Barca/Madrid star knock offs.

 

[ravi2]

No doubt a work in progress and it's more difficult to judge players from only a handful of games. My personal opinion comes from watching him a lot this season (since we were first linked to him). I recorded many Lazio matches. I also kept an eye on the likes of Neves @ Porto, Sane @ Shalke, Tielemans @ Anderlecht etc and I can tell you that Anderson was the most underwhelming of the lot. He is quick and tricky. He can also use both feet comfortably BUT he is not impressive off the ball and his decisions are not good enough. He can be very inconsistent. He also comes across as one of those players that have one bad game and they find it hard to lift themselves, losing confidence in their true ability. Although when he is on form he can be really good and direct.
That said, how will I rate him compare with Lucas, Mane and Sane?

Sane - 7
Mane - 8
Lucas - 6
Anderson - 5.5

For the amount flying around, we should really invest in Sane, even over Mane.

Excellent analysis, I'd take sane or mane over Anderson any day of the week however I do think the most talented one is Lucas.

 

[Tosicsleftpeg]

We need someone that's for sure, wish wed taken a punt on Shaquiri when we had the chance he looks excellent.

 

[JustFootballFan]

Wow, I didn't really expect this to actually be happening.

Deals get done easily, when you are willing to pay way too much money. As a result players are burdened with expectations they can rarely match.

Darmian is a very good RB with potential to grow, but that is only the perception cause he did not cost €35M. Otherwise he´d just solid defensively and stale offensively.

 

[khoazany]

After reading around I think this is bs anyway, or at most, smokescreen.

 

[::sonny::]

I'm still waiting Gaitan

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[Adisa]

I'm still waiting Gaitan

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In e same report they said our first priority this January is James Rodriguez. Safe to say nobody knows anything. We just need to do business this January.

 

[Devil81]

Would love James Rodriguez, it's never going to happen though.

 

[dichinero]

After reading around I think this is bs anyway, or at most, smokescreen.

It's that time of the season

 

[Tosicsleftpeg]

People writing him off already haha

 

[Oo0AahCantona]

People writing him off already haha

We haven't even signed him? and we haven't even been linked by anybody reputable. why are you treating him as if people have turned on a manchester united player?

Furthermore, I think its pretty fair that people are questioning the signing of a player in very poor form, for a extortionate price, and of questionable high end quality.