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[sammsky1]

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Wasn't there a photo of LVG at Manchester airport today?

Maybe a flight to London to meet Woodward though maybe a flight to his palace in Portugal as he has already been fired!!!!

 

[DWelbz19]

Are we actually any closer?

 

[sammsky1]

Why not just give giggs the rest of the season to see what he can do? If he fails replace him in the summer.

He cant do any worse than LVG and he would at least bring something new to our game than the dross LVG offers.

Apparently Giggs is digging in his heels. He wants a full time appointment with transfer budget and not an interim gig.

I'd do the same if I were him.

 

[Silverman]

Twitter people thinking theres gonna be some movement tomorrow.

 

[sugar_kane]

I'm confused about where those quotes from Van Gaal have come from... They weren't from his post match press conference so is it a statement?

 

[sugar_kane]

Apparently Giggs is digging in his heels. He wants a full time appointment with transfer budget and not an interim gig.

I'd do the same if I were him.

Could backfire on him massively. He should be grateful for whatever he gets.

 

[Shark]

That's my ideal scenario right now

Would love to see what he can do

I would love to see what he can do, at another club, just like Neville. I don't want to se him anywhere near the United job, as he's been heavily involved in two managerial disasters.

 

[Scorpy]

Is the Mail story genuine? Don't really trust ''united report''.

 

[Dans]

Van Gaal was also criticised on the club's official television channel, MUTV, with former Reds winger Bojan Djordjic suggesting "the only corner we are turning is into some dark alley where we get robbed again".

From the BBC.

 

[Damien]

I'm confused about where those quotes from Van Gaal have come from... They weren't from his post match press conference so is it a statement?

Nah, they'll have been from post match stuff but embargoed for today hence why all the papers have said it at once.

 

[Acquire Me]

I must say that Giggs is not my first choice, but he would be a much better choice than LvG. My first choice would be to get Mourinho. My fear is that LvG just keep going without being able to change anything.

 

[2 man midfield]

Sounds like he knows what's coming, or is about to walk. If he goes, and we go for Giggs over Mourinho, then that for me is pretty conclusive that the idea before was to get to the summer. We must have something lined up if that's the case.

 

[Offside]

Giving Giggs the job would be good till the end of the year. He would attempt to play attacking Football, the players would feel free and much more pumped up to do well. We could win stuff. Look what happened at Chelsea in 11/12 when they put a club legend in charge. The biggest gamble would be giving him the job on a permanent basis. There is no suggestion he is the man to take us back to the top. Chelsea made that mistake. The best scenario would be Giggs till the end of the year then a top class coach come in during the Summer.

 

[Damien]

James Ducker and Matt Dickinson from the Times say United have held talks with Mourinho to become manager in the summer but it could happen sooner.

Does anyone have the full article?

I've read the rest of the article and it doesn't really say anything of note. One of those instances where all the substance is in first couple of paragraphs

 

[JPRouve]

Apparently Giggs is digging in his heels. He wants a full time appointment with transfer budget and not an interim gig.

I'd do the same if I were him.

@devilish

 

[.Rossi]

Wasn't there a photo of LVG at Manchester airport today?

Maybe a flight to London to meet Woodward though maybe a flight to his palace in Portugal as he has already been fired!!!!

Flew back to Holland apparently

 

[Dans]

Flew back to Holland apparently

Doesn't he know that redcafe is also available in NL?

There's no escape Lucky.

 

[Acquire Me]

Flew back to Holland apparently

For his daughters birthday?

 

[Mainoldo]

Just give the job the Michael Laudrup. Believe me it would work!! Giggs turning down interim? Is he Pep in disguise.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

The best scenario would be Giggs till the end of the year then a top class coach come in during the Summer.

Surely Mourinho in now would be a better scenario than Giggs?

 

[littlepeasoup]

I miss the OranjeCafe.

 

[pocco]

@devilish

He'll have a breakdown.

 

[2 man midfield]

Mourinho in the summer after Giggs? 3 years too late, but better late than never.

 

[acnumber9]

And yes, sometimes our football hurts my eyes too. The difference is however that I believe that the manager is adds or subtracts maybe 5% to the team's performance in comparison to the total summed quality of the players.

They're his players. Many he's signed and those he chose to keep. If they aren't good enough it's not their fault. It's the managers.

 

[Dans]

Giving Giggs the job would be good till the end of the year. He would attempt to play attacking Football, the players would feel free and much more pumped up to do well. We could win stuff. Look what happened at Chelsea in 11/12 when they put a club legend in charge. The biggest gamble would be giving him the job on a permanent basis. There is no suggestion he is the man to take us back to the top. Chelsea made that mistake. The best scenario would be Giggs till the end of the year then a top class coach come in during the Summer.

If Giggs does well in the last 4 months, it would be a massive kick in the balls to then ditch him.

 

[Acquire Me]

I miss the OranjeCafe.

Its JoséCafe next.

 

[Whiteside1985]

Flew back to Holland apparently

For his daughter's birthday. This isn't a sign of anything else.

 

[pseudo_canadian]

LVG can leave, however the structure of it all is dumb.

When Fergie was first appointed, he was able to create his vision of a club. At that time, it wasn't a commercial entity, so footballing side was able to set a proper foundation. Academy, scouting system, nutrition, club culture, ethos, etc. Class of 92 and then all the pieces/players came into play.

Then all the money and commercialization came second, however it complimented the footballing side like no other and the dominance of Fergie was for all to see. But he remained the constant. Meanwhile, David Gill and the board thought everything was in place. Insert here (manager, executive chief) and press play. Oops.

In American sports, which is long typical of some of the Director of Football or Bayern/Barca footballing setups, there's the commercial and sporting sides. United will always have the commercial side (in general - not including current play). However, the structure of the football/sporting operations are completely stupid and frankly ass backwards.

The type of football to be played and success achieved (i.e. the standards and how those standards are to be attained) are not the issue/question/problem.

It's the vision or philosophy of it all. Woodward doesn't have this. Fergie had it since Scotland and made it come true at United, so there was no need to have the structure because he was the structure. He knew how it should be run, who makes decisions, why. Complete autonomy. But it's different days and it was even in the later years of Fergie. Fergie had a great backroom staff and coaches, he simplified it. Fergie knew the team would pick itself like it does for the most part now, but there will be a few players that had to be rotated in/out. Get the team mentally ready, keep morale up and oversee the mental side. Coach 1 runs training session, Coach 2 runs conditioning, Coach 3 runs gym time, Coach 4,5,6 runs specific training for specific positions.

The Club failed in realizing this. The insert here and press play attempt with Moyes was naive and wrong. LVG was the right choice at the time, however Woodward himself probably doesn't know what is needed in terms of actual talent or changing. For example, if United needs a right winger type player, does Woodward know how to spot a talent or does he rely everything on LVG and the scouts? If you're in charge of the footballing matters, one must be able on their own, know if the player is quality or can grow. Have a constructive process with scouts, manager and coaches on whether or not the player is good enough. I question if Woodward is this adept.

Why there isn't a Board of Football and a hierarchy is stupid.

Not only is it stupid, it is amateurish. Good post, by the way.

 

[.Rossi]

For his daughters birthday?

Apparently yeah.

 

[.Rossi]

For his daughter's birthday. This isn't a sign of anything else.

Never said it was. Someone asked a question, I answered it

 

[littlepeasoup]

Surprised Woodward apparently talked LvG out of quitting in December, would probably be the best scenario for Ed for Louis to fall on his sword and take the blame.

 

[devil in me]

He would eventually be sacked if we failed to make the top 4, which we won't with him in charge. The board are blind though. We are basically pissing away another season.

I know we have issues but we really could save this season if we sack him. We could win 2 cups and finish 3rd or something. Why not make the change now? If we made it after Wolfsburg we may have had a pop at the title![/QUOTE

We could replace him and have a very good chance at the Europa, which is another way into the champions league for next season. God knows what the board are playing at because surely they've got to be thinking that.

 

[Cheesy]

It'd be ridiculous if rumours were true of Giggs trying to vie for a permanent position if we're offering interim. He should be delighted to get any sort of chance whatsoever. Might not be true though.

 

[Cheesy]

Surprised Woodward apparently talked LvG out of quitting in December, would probably be the best scenario for Ed for Louis to fall on his sword and take the blame.

Not to mention that we surely wouldn't need to pay compensation? That'd certainly be a handy and welcome bonus.

 

[Catt]

Surely Mourinho in now would be a better scenario than Giggs?

Mourinho might not want the job mid season.

 

[Hammerfell]

It'd be ridiculous if rumours were true of Giggs trying to vie for a permanent position if we're offering interim. He should be delighted to get any sort of chance whatsoever. Might not be true though.

Yeah, he's been a part of two failed regimes. If it's true then the audacity of him trying to force his demands through is incredible.

 

[Acquire Me]

Mourinho might not want the job mid season.

Oh he would

 

[Catt]

Oh he would

Probably

 

[Cheesy]

Yeah, he's been a part of two failed regimes. If it's true then the audacity of him trying to force his demands through is incredible.

As I say, it might not necessarily be true. Giggs might be delighted at the prospect of being an interim, but I wouldn't be surprised if we are willing to budge on the issue and potentially give it to him permanently.

 

[Offside]

Surely Mourinho in now would be a better scenario than Giggs?

I'd much rather Pep or Simeone but I'd be very happy with Jose over Van Gaal.