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A liability for Manchester United. You can't start a soon to be 35 year old left back who no longer has the legs to track back. He is easily exploited by pacey wide players. Sagna is more deserving of a place than Evra.

Trémoulinas and Kurzawa would be better options, in my opinion.

What about Corchia as a right back option?
Facts say that they are not better options, it's not even debatable.
 

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Being a liability for Man Utd means feck all anymore when he has left the club for a long time now. He has been ok for Juventus and definitely good for France which what will always matter to Deschamps in the end.
It is like you have this idea of Evra without having actually watched him play recently for either club and national team.
Corchia should have been give, more chances but Deschamps likes players he knows about and is only willing to add new players if their performances have been ridiculous for clubs (Kante,Coman,Martial at the start of his Man Utd career,Payet).
A player has to do more than being ok for his club and then when he is more trusted, his club performances won't matter much (Sissoko,Sagna,Cabaye).
Corchia wasn't good last season and he played in midfield when Deschamps was building the defense, he missed the train.
 

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Being a liability for Man Utd means feck all anymore when he has left the club for a long time now. He has been ok for Juventus and definitely good for France which what will always matter to Deschamps in the end.
It is like you have this idea of Evra without having actually watched him play recently for either club and national team.
Corchia should have been give, more chances but Deschamps likes players he knows about and is only willing to add new players if their performances have been ridiculous for clubs (Kante,Coman,Martial at the start of his Man Utd career,Payet).
A player has to do more than being ok for his club and then when he is more trusted, his club performances won't matter much (Sissoko,Sagna,Cabaye).
Serie A is played at a slower pace and Juventus have a fantastic defence, on top of being dominant in most games. It's easy not to stink quite as bad.

I'm amazed that you would want him in your side. Almost as amazed that some United fans think we should have kept him.

This indicates that Deschamps is a poor manager in some regards. You have to pick players based on form, unless they have an exceptional talent that can't be replicated by another player.
 

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Well, Evra and Sagna outperformed everyone else, there is nothing else to articulate.
Eva hasn't outperformed Trémoulians, and Kurzawa has a better end product and youth on his side.

Evra should have been banned by France for life after 2010.
 

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Eva hasn't outperformed Trémoulians, and Kurzawa has a better end product and youth on his side.

Evra should have been banned by France for life after 2010.
Tremoulinas and Kurzawa played for France, they have both been outperformed by Evra and on top of that Kurzawa is Maxwell's deputy with PSG.

If you don't like Evra or Sagna it's your problem but it doesn't make their selection a travesty.
 

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Tremoulinas and Kurzawa played for France, they have both been outperformed by Evra and on top of that Kurzawa is Maxwell's deputy with PSG.

If you don't like Evra or Sagna it's your problem but it doesn't make their selection a travesty.
Don't come crying to me when France exit Euro 2016 early.
 

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Serie A is played at a slower pace and Juventus have a fantastic defence, on top of being dominant in most games. It's easy not to stink quite as bad.

I'm amazed that you would want him in your side. Almost as amazed that some United fans think we should have kept him.

This indicates that Deschamps is a poor manager in some regards. You have to pick players based on form, unless they have an exceptional talent that can't be replicated by another player.
But Evra's form is fine, as everyone says. You must have some bad memories about his late United carreer that you won't let go of, but if you had actually followed him recently you would aknowledge that.
 
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But Evra'ss form is fine, as everyone says. You must have some bad memories about his late United carreer that you won't let go of, but if you had followed him recently you would aknowledge that.
He shouldn't be starting. He's a useful back up because of his experience, so long as there isn't a mutiny. His body won't be able to cope with the amount of games France face should they reach the final.

I watch Serie A regularly and it was less than a month ago the Juventus exited The Champions League because of his error. I know what Evra is capable of.

:lol: Why would I cry and why would I cry to you?
Because I collect tears and it's in your own backyard. Expectations are high, Spain and Germany have dropped a level or two.
 

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Because I collect tears and it's in your own backyard. Expectations are high, Spain and Germany have dropped a level or two.
Why would I cry, when I said that France are overrated? And it could be in my bathroom I wouldn't cry about it.
 

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Why would I cry, when I said that France are overrated? And it could be in my bathroom I wouldn't cry about it.
Because that's what normal people do. France have a poor defence but the midfield and especially attack are of a high level and can capitalise on your home advantage. On top of that, a lot of the squad are in very good form.
 

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Because that's what normal people do. France have a poor defence but the midfield and especially attack are of a high level and can capitalise on your home advantage. On top of that, a lot of the squad are in very good form.
The defence isn't poor, the team is poor defensively that's two different things. And I will even precise the team isn't poor defensively, the midfield and attacking players have the bad habits of being way too lax with their defensive duties, they leave a tone of space just infront of the defense, don't press enough and/or don't respect the markings or positionings.

And there is something else, Deschamps has used two systems lately, a 433 and 4141, in the latter the wingers are supporting the fullbacks and our wingers are more attackers than midfielders and therefore not very good defensively, when we play the former it's Pogba or Matuidi who supports the fullbacks and strangely we are a lot more solid.
 

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Serie A is played at a slower pace and Juventus have a fantastic defence, on top of being dominant in most games. It's easy not to stink quite as bad.

I'm amazed that you would want him in your side. Almost as amazed that some United fans think we should have kept him.

This indicates that Deschamps is a poor manager in some regards. You have to pick players based on form, unless they have an exceptional talent that can't be replicated by another player.
Why should it matter how he performed for United when it was 2 years ago ? Do you have some form of personal hatred for Evra or something ? He is doing well for France so why should he not be called up anymore :houllier: ? I only want the best available players for France and Evra is clearly the best LB at the moment.
On one hand you're saying Deschamps should pick up players on form (which he does with Evra) and on the other you're saying Evra shouldn't start for France :confused: ? Something doesn't compute.

Corchia wasn't good last season and he played in midfield when Deschamps was building the defense, he missed the train.
Yes and tbh a player has to be very good for a certain period to be called up by Deschamps if he doesn't play for a big club.
 

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Why should it matter how he performed for United when it was 2 years ago ? Do you have some form of personal hatred for Evra or something ? He is doing well for France so why should he not be called up anymore :houllier: ? I only want the best available players for France and Evra is clearly the best LB at the moment.
On one hand you're saying Deschamps should pick up players on form (which he does with Evra) and on the other you're saying Evra shouldn't start for France :confused: ? Something doesn't compute.



Yes and tbh a player has to be very good for a certain period to be called up by Deschamps if he doesn't play for a big club.
Because he is not much better now, he just has a better defence and more favourable system to cover his flaws. It's not like Evra is playing regularly and dominating his flank either. He plays in the games that suit him. Sandro is the better option. France don't play with the same structure as Juventus.

It's a worry for France if you don't think there's anyone available to rival Evra and Sagna at this stage of their careers. In 2009, they were two of the best full-backs in the world. It's a concern that they are still ever presents.

To think that a player like Evra will be starting games when a hero such as Gameiro won't even make the squad, is quite sad.
 

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Because he is not much better now, he just has a better defence and more favourable system to cover his flaws. It's not like Evra is playing regularly and dominating his flank either. He plays in the games that suit him. Sandro is the better option. France don't play with the same structure as Juventus.

It's a worry for France if you don't think there's anyone available to rival Evra and Sagna at this stage of their careers. In 2009, they were two of the best full-backs in the world. It's a concern that they are still ever presents.

To think that a player like Evra will be starting games when a hero such as Gameiro won't even make the squad, is quite sad.
you are talking about kevin gameiro or is there another gameiro?
 

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Because he is not much better now, he just has a better defence and more favourable system to cover his flaws. It's not like Evra is playing regularly and dominating his flank either. He plays in the games that suit him. Sandro is the better option. France don't play with the same structure as Juventus.

It's a worry for France if you don't think there's anyone available to rival Evra and Sagna at this stage of their careers. In 2009, they were two of the best full-backs in the world. It's a concern that they are still ever presents.

To think that a player like Evra will be starting games when a hero such as Gameiro won't even make the squad, is quite sad.
But he is part of that better defence, it's not like Evra is some intruder in their team. He's an integral part of them, Sandro has done well and probably even better than him but there is a reason as to why he still plays so much for Juventus. However let's just forget his club performances, why should they matter if his national team ones are satisfying his coach ? The biggest concern for me is the lack of a true CB partnership at the back for France.
Now I know you're nuts when you're mentioning a "hero such as Gameiro" (who has been pants when given chances for France) and Evra who is in no way his direct competition. Why would Deschamps, all of sudden, replace him when he's given him plenty to be satisfied with ?
 

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But he is part of that better defence, it's not like Evra is some intruder in their team. He's an integral part of them, Sandro has done well and probably even better than him but there is a reason as to why he still plays so much for Juventus. However let's just forget his club performances, why should they matter if his national team ones are satisfying his coach ? The biggest concern for me is the lack of a true CB partnership at the back for France.
Now I know you're nuts when you're mentioning a "hero such as Gameiro" (who has been pants when given chances for France) and Evra who is in no way his direct competition. Why would Deschamps, all of sudden, replace him when he's given him plenty to be satisfied with ?
To be fair with Gameiro, he has always been a very good player but he can't play for all sorts of teams, he needs to be at the middle of the offensive system like he was at Lorient, with PSG he struggled because he was only a cog in the team. I'm not a fan of Giroud but he is a better supporting player, Benzema is world class, Lacazette was a better all around player and Gignac is good when he isn't fat.
 

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To be fair with Gameiro, he has always been a very good player but he can't play for all sorts of teams, he needs to be at the middle of the offensive system like he was at Lorient, with PSG he struggled because he was only a cog in the team. I'm not a fan of Giroud but he is a better supporting player, Benzema is world class, Lacazette was a better all around player and Gignac is good when he isn't fat.
I like the part about Gignac :lol:
Gameiro is good but I think he is too limited for France. Some players are just meant not to have a good international career.
 

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Could have sworn I popped into the Schneiderlin performances thread. Apparently not.
 
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Not a Manchester United player. I've said it all season but he reminds me of Cleverley, he's just a more dogged version.

£24m on him? Deary me.
 

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He's got that ability. What a ball. Just needs to be a bit quicker sometimes.
 

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Looks like a bad buy on the whole. Lacks the authority in midfield I thought we paid the money for.

Totally losing Jagielka for that chance now.
 

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I've never seen a professional footballer who's been so bad at marking from corners. I think he's lost his man every single time this season. We should just put him on the goal line.
 

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I thought he had a decent game. I felt a bit more secure having him in the side today.
 

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This is the first time I have ever praise Schneiderlin for two games in a row. His passing and vision today were very good, though some of them a bit too much for the players to received but the point is he saw our players who made run and had space, he knows where to pass the ball and he was willing to make a lot of forward passes today. Defensively he was good as well. My MOTM today. I always thought he is the poor Vidal but against City and Everton he played like Vidal.
 

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they didnt make a real chance from open play apart that fantastic through ball from stones, we were super solid with Schneiderlin- Lingard- Herrera/Carrick midfield combo, I can only reproach Schneiderlin for being too slow on the ball at times
 

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He will never win the people who think he should be Paul Scholes over. Our record when he plays and doesn't play speaks for itself.
 
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