What do you mean with "Darmian was signed within a couple of days"? A couple of days from what? And how is that comparable to the Zlatan situation?
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They could already have a verbal agreement in place and are waiting to make sure Zlatan makes it through the Euros injury free. Conversely, they may have not yet talked at all.
A couple of days prior to Euro 2015 obviously.
IIRC, and this is going by the scouring of the tweets sections on the caf, Darmien interest was reported to be serious on a certain date, and then he signed very soon after. It was just an example that deals can be executed in a very short time frame if it suited the club and player. For a free agent, an agreement can surely come before the Euros if Zlatan + us were as clear cut as we thought.
Possibly. Sounds a bit extra cautious given Sweden are likely to only play a small number of games.
Cautious ? They would simply be managing risk.
Zlatan is literally a prime example of a sure fire signing who will help us win straight away
The most Cantona-like human being left in the football world. Would LOVE to see him at United. Alright it's a gamble, a bit like the Falcao thing, but somehow I think the end result pan out much different to the Columbian.
Didn't it turn out that we'd been talking with Torino with about 4 months?
Well, Darmian was namedropped a few times during the end of season but nobody probably payed too much attention as he wasn't exactly high-profile and that the signing of him wasn't directly linked to a expected managerial change. Also he didn't cost us too much in wages or transfer fee so no chance of that affecting the club finances and wage structure.
Here, The Express linked him to us at the end of March:
http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/28/manch...admits-to-uncertain-future-at-torino-5124632/
But yeah, it only got serious when DiMarzio reported that we had agreed a few about a week prior to the official announcement.
Zlatan is as high-profile as it gets and there's loads of things that needs to be sorted including how to deal with the media frenzy that will follow. Don't forget, the only concrete thing that has been reported so far from reliable sources (apart from De Telefgraaf's and A Bola's report - and how reliable are they in this case) is that we have offered Zlatan a contract and that he's likely to move here.
But the main point is that Mourinho has just been announced. The transition from Mourinho to LvG didn't exactly happened smoothly so maybe the club wants to wait a few days before announcing anything so that it won't be too obvious (even if we all knew it was going on) that we were negotiating with him behind LvG's back (as both parts clearly wouldn't consider working together at United).
If Darmien is a bad example can we take Renato Sanchez? A deal concluded in very quick time, big money signing fee and he will no doubt be representing Portugal at the euros. I don't quite agree with the managing risk view, if that were the case no player would be signed before international tournaments.
Yes, you can say a major injury would affect Zlatan due to age a bit more. But a major injury to sanchez would help drive down his price, and Bayern were happy with the risk.
Zlatan doesn't have much of an injury record either, he keeps himself in great condition. I don't see it as a big risk to announce an agreement before his euro campaign. It would at least give Ed and Mourinho the opportunity to retool the rest of the team with limited time left.
I think, if faced with the opportunity to do so, our club would much prefer announcing the agreement prior to the euros. But if we don't it suggests either we, or zlatan, aren't as interested as the media suggests.
So you would prefer we signed him now to assuage your transfer muppet cravings even if he were to get injured ? That doesn't make sense. What risk is there of waiting until after the Euros ?
This has not got anything to do with my muppetry. I just think if the parties wanted each other as much as the journos suggest, it would be announced before the euros. This gives far more security to Mourinho & allows him to give attention to other targets (I'm sure he has at least 3-4 others).
The risk we run is that Ibrahimovic goes somewhere else. Take Bayern for example, when we cooled our Sanches interest momentarily, he signed in what, 48 hours? If they are seriously letting go of Lewandowski then its foolish to think Ancelotti wouldn't consider having Ibrahimovic back and re-create the PSG relationship. Heck, who is to say MLS/China won't give the right sum to him such that he forgets about it being a lower level?
Sir Alex went on holiday thinking he had Gazza in the bag, and returned to find him at Spurs. Its not a comparable player or circumstance but its just an example of the risk of assuming it'l be sorted at a later date and the world of football was far less dynamic then than it is now.
So back to my original point, if the parties wanted each other that much I genuinely think something would be announced prior to the Euros. Otherwise its more complicated and we aren't the favourites we assume to be on the caf.
Hmm,
Why on earth that we have people against the idea of signing Ibrahimovic for FREE ? It's Zlatan we're talking about guys, seeing us suffering this season make me realize that we currently lacking character both in-off the field really. I see Zlatan has 2 years left at least playing football at top level. Moreover, He could be a great mentor for Rashford, Martial to follow.
Base on my wild feeling, probably we have this deal done and dusted, just waiting for the announcement, most likely after Euro.
He have good injury record doesn't mean he will not get injury. As for me, after Euro would be a good time to announce this deal.
Why on earth that we have people against the idea of signing Ibrahimovic for FREE ? It's Zlatan we're talking about guys, seeing us suffering this season make me realize that we currently lacking character both in-off the field really. I see Zlatan has 2 years left at least playing football at top level. Moreover, He could be a great mentor for Rashford, Martial to follow.
Base on my wild feeling, probably we have this deal done and dusted, just waiting for the announcement, most likely after Euro.
He have good injury record doesn't mean he will not get injury. As for me, after Euro would be a good time to announce this deal.
Ah, I think he's off to China or USA. Not Europe.
The moaning about his personality/ego is daft.
It's all a big act with him, the whole lot is tongue in cheek. The only reason people take it seriously is because he's so good he almost backs it up.
It's all a big act with him, the whole lot is tongue in cheek. The only reason people take it seriously is because he's so good he almost backs it up.
Shevchenko's failure was an anomaly for a player of his stature, that's why he still gets mentioned whenever signing a world class striker is discussed. Doesn't mean every top class striker will fail just like him. Comparison is still not relevant because there are more chances it wouldn't turn out like Shevchenko.
It's rare for a player that good to flop granted but it's not unheard of. Torres, Veron, Di Maria, are also just a few examples of top players who couldn't transfer their level of performance from one team/league to another.
Now were Zlatan to join United i think it highly unlikely he would flop like Shevchenko but it is possible. On the other hand it's also possible he joins and bangs in 30-40 goals but again also unlikely.
Somewhere in between is the most likely outcome.
From what his agent said recently I don't think he's coming to us.
Maybe he didn't know about Mourinho joining United.
Everyone knew about Mourinho joining United.
What did he say?
Edit: nevermind, found it. It is just Raiola being a dick. Wouldn't trust a word he says.
This. But I still think it's 50/50 Zlatan goes to China. He follows the money, and question is whether he think the commercial success he would get at United can in the long run trump the salary China is offering him.
Nah - he has effectively ruled out China and Malmö - simply because he still feels he is good enough to play at the highest level. Zlatan would never go to China simply for the Money, if he felt he could play at a topclub
I feel the same way about him. He constantly feels like he's the best and he wants to prove it to the world. So long as he feels like he has a point to prove and he believes he can prove it I think he will play at the highest level over money. Especially in a new league to add to his ridiculous list.
Then again I could be wrong, I often am.
The only risk I can think of it that by signing him we therefore forego another striker who may have turned out better in the medium to long term, such as say Benzema, or someone of that ilk (assuming the likes of Kane are not realistic). But I can accept that risk, because it's Zlatan. No need to worry about wages and ego and whatnot.
His comment about age being nothing but a number, etc., certainly indicates he wants a new challenge at the highest level. Would be odd if he pissed off to China after saying that.
Guys it's like you've eradicated the memory of him moving to PSG in the first place.
Not saying it was ALL about the money but let's not pretend that was purely a footballing decision.
Torres shouldn't be included in that. He'd already started going significantly downhill in his last season at Liverpool, and it wasn't any surprise to most people that he continued that downward trend after moving to Chelsea. He was similar to Falcao (although perhaps not quite so bad) in that he never seemed to recover from the knee injury he had towards the end of his second last season at Liverpool.
The PSG project was intended to compete at the highest level, which it did. Of course money played a part but equally, so did the club's intention.
One final push is on the horizon for Ibra, that's almost a certainty. That horizon is most likely the Premier League.
Don't think you can compare him going to PSG (considering the circumstances at the time) to him potentially moving to China now. As @Skywarden said, PSG was a project and a club that intended on going places, ie. far in the Champions League. China is far from this, hence seen as the far less ambitious option.
Don't really care whether we get him or not. Great if we do and hopefully he can show he is more than all talk but if not, I won't lose any sleep over it. Right winger should be our number one priority along with a centre back.
I'm not comparing Chinese football to PSG but you both said he'll put standard of football before money. At 30 his move to PSG proved that wasn't necessarily the case.
So with only a year or two left don't be surprised if big money dictates the next destination.
As much as I'd like to see him at OT I couldn't agree more with El-Manos. Right winger and centre back is what's needed.
We need a striker for sure. No team can be successful without having a striker to score consistently. Fergie knew this and that's why he always prioritized having someone who can score 30 goals a season basically. We currently have Rashford alone as a striker since Martial will be on the left. And he's nowhere near good enough yet to be starting consistently let alone leading a team that wants to win trophies. A striker is a must, along with a right winger. Center back after those 2.
I assume PSG would agree on practically any demand he'd put forward just to keep him until he retires. He's that valuable. Big money is not an issue at PSG. So question remains: Why would he move if it's not of monetary concerns? Probably looking at that horizon I would imagine.
We do need a experienced attacker as well tbf.
Torres was turning shit during the end of his Liverpool career. Di Maria was unsettled right from the start and wanted to sign for PSG. I don't think he failed at all, he started brilliantly and looked promising up unitl that burglary incident.
Some people argue that Veron's failure was more down to Fergie not knowing what to do with him. But I'll give you that.
You could remove Torres no problem and the point would still stand mate.
But having said that he wasn't even bad at Liverpool in the first half of 2010-11 before he moved to Chelsea. 9 goals in 23 league games is a pretty good strike rate. Much better than the 1 in 14 leagues games for Chelsea that season anyway. Or the 11 he scored in 49 games the season after. He was significantly worse at Chelsea, which was my point.
See my post above for my opinion on Torres being shit at the end of his Liverpool career.
I don't know if Di Maria was unsettled right from the start or not mate, but it still doesn't change the point i was making. Whatever the circumstances that cause it world class players can flop when moving from one team/country to another. And it can happen to any player no matter how good.
So, is he still grinning or what?
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