Awww, overly defensive
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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I don't like his antics at all and that has nothing to do with him being the Liverpool manager. Having said that though, I appreciate his style of football and I was a huge fan of his Dortmund team. He's a weird character but as a manager the guy is quality. They'll still finish behind us though
I can't speak for other Liverpool fans on here but I post on Redcafe because it's the best forum out there for discussing football and other things. It's well moderated and offers more balanced discussion about football with a variety of opinions.
I'd say that if I was more tribalistic about football I wouldn't last five minutes on a forum like this.
As for Klopp, I don't really care if some people don't like him on an internet forum. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about any manager. What I do care about is how he gets the team performing on the pitch, and the progress the club makes.
I'm baffled he doesn't want to sign another left back. Moreno is a train wreck.
It does make sense. Many United fans will tell you that we've had a soft spot for Mou because we knew that one day he will manage us even though he's managed one of our rivals for years. BVB is Bayern's feeder club and it's highly likely that Klopp will end up there in a few years.
Hahahaaaa !
I doubt finishing seventh impressed anyone at the club. You don't have to look too hard to see between the lines about what happened.
I'm not quite sure how Klopp publicly humiliated Benteke - maybe i missed something? Genuine question.
Re: Dalglish - considering what he achieved for the club and the stuff he did off the pitch too Liverpool fans will cut him some slack. Similar to the way Utd fans do with any of their players or managers who haven't been perfect all the time.
Many LFC fans would agree with you on Rodgers - most even said so while he was still managing us (certainly in his last season).
To be honest I actually love the fact that many rival fans suddenly "hate" Klopp - there is nothing quite like feeling the venomous hatred from rival fans for your manager or players. It shows you're doing something right.
Love his style of football and his personality. He is awesome.
Hate that he is the Liverpool manager.
Hate that he is the Liverpool manager.
Exactly. I'm not too sure why so many of your fellow supporters get so upset by some peoples views of Klopp here and try rationalise it constantly. He clearly isn't a guy who would be everyone's cup of tea, so I don't get why so many Liverpool fans are acting as though he should be universally loved. If it were someone inoffensive (to me anyway) like Ancelotti, it would be a-tad bit peculiar if loads of rival fans had an issue with the way he acts, but clearly Klopp is the type that everyone won't 'get' regardless of what team he is managing.
I know that Mourinho is universally despised and I couldn't care less. If he turns around, what has been a bleak three years for the club, then brilliant, and what rival fans think of him won't bother me in the slightest.
He wasn't 'mutually agreed' if that's what you mean. The club wanted him to stay. It was an actual resignation.
Yes, you've got it all figured out. They kept him over the winter break when they were en route for relegation but fired him when he had them competing for an EL spot again.
Shhh, stop it you bubble burster you.
Yep when they were challenging for the league and Champions League Klopp was turning down offers from all over Europe. When they were rubbish and way below what the club expects he "quits". I am clearly wrong - there is no possible connection between them struggling and finishing in a meagre seventh place and him leaving the club.
There is a connection and it is well established: He himself felt he should go because he let the club down so he left while the club wanted him to stay. Those are the facts. That you chose to ignore them and form your own baseless opinion is fine, of course.
I meant the United vs Liverpool game, the Merseyside derby was not the one I was referring too.
Benteke missed a decent chance (something all strikers do) and Klopp aggressively bawled him out after the game for it in front of the cameras. It was widely discussed on the forum and Match of the Day etc.
I think the official explanation was that he felt like the relationship between him and the squad had suffered over the years and from the crisis, so apparently he saw the need for some new impulses which in his view meant either him leaving or a lot of players.
Saying that the club fired him is still baseless though. If you don't trust your coach you fire him over the winter break, especially if you've just hit rock bottom and half the press is calling your leadership out for not doing it.
No one was calling for his head anymore when his decision was announced.
Saying that the club fired him is still baseless though. If you don't trust your coach you fire him over the winter break, especially if you've just hit rock bottom and half the press is calling your leadership out for not doing it.
No one was calling for his head anymore when his decision was announced.
Yes it's clearly baseless to point out Klopp ultimately left BVB after flopping in his least season in a thread marked Klopp Flopp Watch.
That's not what you did at all and now you're backpedaling after people called you out on your nonsensical "between the line" reading.
If you say so
I am honest about it. I think he's a twat.
I dont hate Rodgers. I just think he's soft in the head
Ha Ha ! Revisionism at its finest.
Let's see what you really said and why you've been called out on it and found wanting shall we ?
Well that's debunked my opinion
The whole "Klopp resigned and didn't get fired" thing is a bit pedantic. He was utterly out of his depth in his final season and any club with even modest ambition would have fired him had he not resigned. Him resigning would probably mean BVB didn't have to pay him off and Klopp saved face, worked for both sides.
They recovered pretty decently in the second half of the season, and made the DFB final. It felt like the end of the cycle more than anything.
100%
Klopp being officially fired by BVB wouldn't have done any party much good.
If only managers were judged based on bit parts of the season, many managers would've saved their jobs. Only difference between Mou's final season at Chelsea and Klopp's season at BVB is that Chelsea owners had no patience to let Mourinho recover and BVB's management did. It's bizarre because in Mourinho's case, he had just won the league a season ago!
I'm sure Mourinho's antics during the Carneiro affair had an effect.
He got them to two finals in less than a season. So I'm willing to see what he can do in his first full season.
Ya easy to see Dortmund told him he was sacked but gave him the benefit to make it look like he resigned.
Let's be honest here, did you even follow his final season? Because it sure looks like you didn't.
If Chelsea were still challenging for the title he would not have been fired at any cost, if any Chelsea manager was languishing at 16th place in the table after half the season played, he would certainly have been fired by Abramovich. So no, Carneiro had no effect on this.
Yes. All Bundesliga games are shown prime time in Canada.
Are you sure you don't have some sort of an irrational bias towards Klopp? It's like, the Liverpool fans have far more balanced opinion than you.
More like an indirect effect. The players liked Carneiro, when he sacked her, they turned against him even more, or something like that.
Or it's pure speculation.
Mourinho failed once at Chelsea and has a point to prove. United will be that environment where he will show to the world that he's a winner again! Or not (and if so, God help Manchester United).
Yeah they did decent job in the second half of the season but they finished just 11 points above relegation zone. When he announced his resignation they were just 6 points above relegation zone.
Any other team would have sacked the manager but Dortmund didn't. Not complaining though as he deserved the chance to recover for all he did for them in last 7-8 years.
My opinion is biased because I'm sticking to the facts? I'm not the one saying "well everyone must clearly have been lying, because what they said doesn't fit my opinion"
They were tied for last when he went into the winter break, a perfect moment to introduce someone new. Yet the club kept him around, apparently just to sack him after they recovered. Does that sound particularly rational to you?
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You're being a bit childish. You're also quoting something I didn't even say and then putting the laughing green face after. Okay buddy.My opinion is biased because I'm sticking to the facts? I'm not the one saying "well everyone must clearly have been lying, because what they said doesn't fit my opinion"
They were tied for last when he went into the winter break, a perfect moment to introduce someone new. Yet the club kept him around, apparently just to sack him after they recovered. Does that sound particularly rational to you?
The bold part is where you actually make any debate so I'll comment on that. Like you said Klopp took the club to the last place in the table. He was going to get fired regardless. Firing him in the middle of the season would probably mean that no decent coach would be available. Klopp is good enough to recover from relegation, obviously. Season was a write off. BVB made the sensible choice of keeping him when no good could really come from letting him go mid season. At the end of the season though, he grossly under performed and he would've been let go. There is no need to get so emotionally disturbed about it.
And yet, to be frank, you are the one that's putting your spin on it, because honestly no-one actually knows except Klopp and BVB and the rest of us are just ruminating. Except you, who is adamant and fighting tooth and nail to nail your version to the flagpole as the correct one.
It's simply what your theory is implying because it goes against every public statement and most (if not all) media reports. Also Klopp leaving was announced in the middle of the season anyway and Tuchel was already out of a job since the end of 13/14, signing him would've simply been a matter of agreeing a satisfying compensation with Mainz.
On the other hand Tuchel was still negotiating with Hamburg in April, but I guess Dortmund decided to fire Klopp in December but forgot to settle the matter of his succession for a couple of months, almost missing out on the most obvious candidate?
No you're right, I should've stopped replying on this thread because obviously the fanboyism here is strong. So I will now.
Let's all believe what we believe. You guys continue believing that BVB would've kept a manager who took the club into the relegation zone because of some sort of a reversal towards the end of the season. And if indeed that happened, it is a reflection on the club and not the competency of the manager. No big European club would stand for that. Liverpool fired Brendan for a lot less. Mou for all that is made of his poor season, never managed to take the club into relegation and still got fired.
I'll believe a simple fact that managers at the start of the season have targets and when they don't meet them, they are usually let go. Some clubs sack, other do a mutual understanding and in Klopp's case, it was his resignation. Of course I could be completely off.