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Actually, as of now, they are. Premier league proven is a bullshit term and neither of Mata or Rooney could be called premiership proven after their last few seasons. 'Disproven' more like it. Mkhitaryan and Rashford would do better than them without a doubt, and without Rooney in the team we could even have Pogba playing a more free role.
Ah ok, say no more.
 

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Yes he does seem grounded... but he's still 18... don't want the kid picking up the team's current shite mentality:(
I think being 18 is part of why he's like he is - headstrong, and not afraid. I think England would benefit from having a player who plays without fear. Of course that needs to be the right option for the player as well.
 

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Does not matter if I agree or not. I am saying I can understand why both managers are playing him there.

I mean don't most of you guys want jose here coz he is the best manager and knows his shit but plays rooney there anyway. So is he shit or are people who think they know about football shit?

Of course you can say forums are for arguing bla bla but it does not make it fun when 90% of people think they know what is best over 2 managers who are successful in that industry.

Just makes me wonder.
Eh? Make your mind up. Youve just said to me
It is still good because both LVG and Jose have been playing him there. That's all you need to know and the proof that you need to see.
To prove Matas selection is the right one yet you'll freely admit Rooneys selection is, in your opinion, wrong despite the previous points still being valid? Of your going to make a point of it, at least don't make a hypocrite or yourself in the process, it does lessen the weight of your argument somewhat.
 

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Trying to think which other strikers he might be similar to. Has to be Henry, right?
I see a bit of Fernando Torres in him. Very good at getting a shot off in a crowded area and excellent ball control while not having the same explosiveness as Henry, who was a threat even from his own penalty area.
 

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I see a bit of Fernando Torres in him. Very good at getting a shot off in a crowded area and excellent ball control while not having the same explosiveness as Henry, who was a threat even from his own penalty area.
Torres is a good call actually. Although he used to be a real threat from outside the box. Which we're not seeing with Rashford. Not yet anyway. The Henry comparison is because of all his deft wee touches around the edge of the box. His short passing seems to be getting better all the time.
 

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Torres is a good call actually. Although he used to be a real threat from outside the box. Which we're not seeing with Rashford. Not yet anyway. The Henry comparison is because of all his deft wee touches around the edge of the box. His short passing seems to be getting better all the time.
Yep, I see where you're coming from, I hope Rashford can add long range shooting to his arsenal, it'll really make him a complete striker. He's shown good striking technique already so I wouldn't be surprised to see him trying it more as he develops!
 

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Eh? Make your mind up. Youve just said to me
To prove Matas selection is the right one yet you'll freely admit Rooneys selection is, in your opinion, wrong despite the previous points still being valid? Of your going to make a point of it, at least don't make a hypocrite or yourself in the process, it does lessen the weight of your argument somewhat.
I have not said Rooney's selection was wrong, have I?
 

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Also, just seen that that was his first penalty as a professional...

Clearly he's not really English.
 

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Amazing talent no doubt but one of the most pleasing things (so far) about this season is he doesn't need to carry the team like Martial had to.

Young players should just be able to play without fear or pressure...so I wouldn't be in any rush to get him playing for the first team every week or the senior England team either.

Just keep his minutes ticking over, his career has only just began so no rush :)
 

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I see a bit of Fernando Torres in him. Very good at getting a shot off in a crowded area and excellent ball control while not having the same explosiveness as Henry, who was a threat even from his own penalty area.
Yep agreed, Torres is an excellent comparison.
 

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Have said all preseason that old Swedish striker or no old Swedish strikers, Rashford should be leading the line every week - our entire attacking gameplan should be based around his pace.
 

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It's such a tough call to make. Rashford is banging on the door and so far he hasn't failed in anything he's been asked to do. The issue is who to drop for him? The Big Swede or Rooney? I don't want to see Rashford on the wing. He needs to be playing a number 9 role.
 

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It's such a tough call to make. Rashford is banging on the door and so far he hasn't failed in anything he's been asked to do. The issue is who to drop for him? The Big Swede or Rooney? I don't want to see Rashford on the wing. He needs to be playing a number 9 role.
Its not really. Amazing as he was last night, it was an U21 match and no way close to playing the calibre of team that is modern day Manchester City.

At his age and stage of development, any positive contribution should be a bonus and any mistakes or ineffectiveness should be viewed as development. Young players have very fragile range of self confidence because they lack emotional maturity.

Rashford should never be expected to deliver for his team when more experienced options are available, especially against top teams in high pressure games, he is best utilised as a high impact substitute who can change a game in the final phase using his blistering pact against tiring defender.

I think Mourinho should pursue this policy until at least February and see how Ashford develops. He'll anyhow start in less competitive games in the Europa and CC cup.
 

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Its not really. Amazing as he was last night, it was an U21 match and no way close to playing the calibre of team that is modern day Manchester City.

At his age and stage of development, any positive contribution should be a bonus and any mistakes or ineffectiveness should be viewed as development. Young players have very fragile range of self confidence because they lack emotional maturity.

Rashford should never be expected to deliver for his team when more experienced options are available, especially against top teams in high pressure games, he is best utilised as a high impact substitute who can change a game in the final phase using his blistering pact against tiring defender.

I think Mourinho should pursue this policy until at least February and see how Ashford develops. He'll anyhow start in less competitive games in the Europa and CC cup.

Rashford has delivered + surpassed all expectations in every situation he has ever been asked to play in. He is more than ready to start v City.
 

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So you think he should be starting every game as our #10 then?
I have no problem as long as he produces.

The way jose seems to like his 10 play suits Rooney the most from our current squad atm. Mata is good at popping up in the box, having some good passes into the boxes and getting goals himself etc but he is a bit too lightweight to defend/drop deeper which was one of the reasons Jose binned him out of chelsea as far as I can remember. But seems like he likes what he sees him with on the right cutting inside so far.
 

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I sure hope that Jose experiments with a two striker formation against weaker sides at home. Rashford running the channels off Zlatan's headers and layoffs :drool:
 

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I have no problem as long as he produces.

The way jose seems to like his 10 play suits Rooney the most from our current squad atm. Mata is good at popping up in the box, having some good passes into the boxes and getting goals himself etc but he is a bit too lightweight to defend/drop deeper which was one of the reasons Jose binned him out of chelsea as far as I can remember. But seems like he likes what he sees him with on the right cutting inside so far.
Well that goes without saying, none of us will have a problem with a player if he produces what we beleive a player in their positon should do.

To clarify, if you were to pick the starting XI you would start Rooney in the #10 role?
 

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How is he so good? He looked decent but nothing special whenever I saw him for the reserves.
 

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Well that goes without saying, none of us will have a problem with a player if he produces what we beleive a player in their positon should do.

To clarify, if you were to pick the starting XI you would start Rooney in the #10 role?
Seems pretty clear, and apparently Rashford's only asset is goals:houllier: No beautiful flicks through the middle, no sublime technique that sees him pass players easily all over the pitch. Bench Zlatan!

I must have been watching a different Rashford..
 

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Seems pretty clear, and apparently Rashford's only asset is goals:houllier: No beautiful flicks through the middle, no sublime technique that sees him pass players easily all over the pitch. Bench Zlatan!

I must have been watching a different Rashford..
Spot on, there's far more to his game than so many are willing to give him credit for and I have no idea why.
 

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He should be starting the majority of games, but he should be rested every month also. We don't want another Owen or a burned out Rooney.

The lad is too good not to start for us. He'll be full of confidence for the derby after his goals.
 

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Did anyone else watch the whole game? So many great moments from him. The left-footed shot he smashed into the keeper would have been a different class goal. The way he took a dropping ball under control with the outside of his foot before immediately rinsing his marker was sublime. He even pulled off an elastico!
 

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Did anyone else watch the whole game? So many great moments from him. The left-footed shot he smashed into the keeper would have been a different class goal. The way he took a dropping ball under control with the outside of his foot before immediately rinsing his marker was sublime. He even pulled off an elastico!
Didn't have access to a TV or laptop. I hope that JoselUnited guy on Youtube posts a highlight video...
 

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How is he so good? He looked decent but nothing special whenever I saw him for the reserves.
Its something I also dont understand!

I don't follow reserves football at all and yet was fully aware of the likes of Pogba, Morrison, Januzaj, Fosu-Mensah and a few others long before their 1st team debuts.

In fact, I can't think of a similar precedent with another emerging reserves player at our club. Even the likes of O'Shea, Brown, Fletcher, Richardson, Simpson were highly touted before debut.
 

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Did anyone else watch the whole game? So many great moments from him. The left-footed shot he smashed into the keeper would have been a different class goal. The way he took a dropping ball under control with the outside of his foot before immediately rinsing his marker was sublime. He even pulled off an elastico!
Yeah I watched it all. He was a mix of a young and fast Alan Shearer and Samuel E'to. He had pace, strength and razor sharp finishing skills.

Albeit vs very inferior opposition so the excitement should be measured.
 

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Well that goes without saying, none of us will have a problem with a player if he produces what we beleive a player in their positon should do.

To clarify, if you were to pick the starting XI you would start Rooney in the #10 role?
My XI? Well, that will happen if I manage United in real life.

Otherwise, pretty much pointless. I would pick him for jose's current system.
 

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How is he so good? He looked decent but nothing special whenever I saw him for the reserves.
Did he even play many games for the U21s at all?
 

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Seems pretty clear, and apparently Rashford's only asset is goals:houllier: No beautiful flicks through the middle, no sublime technique that sees him pass players easily all over the pitch. Bench Zlatan!

I must have been watching a different Rashford..
lol. I don't know how people miss the point. Many players have those flashy skills but not all of them have a decent finishing ability or instinct that he has. It is why you play him near the goal because the goal getting skill is the most valuable asset you can have as a forward and should be used effectively...to you know win the games.

It does not mean he is just a poacher and that's all he can do.
 
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Its something I also dont understand!

I don't follow reserves football at all and yet was fully aware of the likes of Pogba, Morrison, Januzaj, Fosu-Mensah and a few others long before their 1st team debuts.

In fact, I can't think of a similar precedent with another emerging reserves player at our club. Even the likes of O'Shea, Brown, Fletcher, Richardson, Simpson were highly touted before debut.
He didn't really have much time with the reserves like other academy prospects did. He's 18, top scorer with the u-18s a couple of years ago and last season was his first year with the reserves and his first team exploits were already overshadowing any work he was doing in the reserves.
 
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