I've never seen Steve go h.a.m. before but preach Steve, you're right.
Rooney responds.
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Sorry Pogue but it is an incredibly poor post and I am not surprised you are supporting it because you have been totally off the mark when it comes to Rooney for years. Just when it seemed you were regaining some credibility and seeing the wood for the trees on this issue, it seems you're back on the Rooney bandwagon.
How can any self-respecting 'UNITED' fan.. yes United, the team that you are meant to fecking support be on this guys side and buy such a horseshit interview. He is milking this club for all that he can, he couldn't give two flying fecks about the club.. he has zero love for the club, he just wants his money to keep coming in and his legacy secured, which in turn will secure further financial investments. He has no pride in his performance and does not deserve another second on the pitch.
No we do not love a scapegoat, he's fecking shite and has held the club back for years. I have been making thread after thread, pointing this out to all of you and the majority thought I was some sort of idiot with an agenda.. I am not, I love this club and I can't stand it for being taken like a mug by a fat bastard who is way past his best and has no right to play for a premier league club let alone the greatest club in england and one of the greatest in the world alongside the Barca's, Real and Bayerns of this world. He has undermined successive mangement regimes not only with his lack of performances on the pitch but his blinding performances off the pitch through the media.. putting unnecessary pressure on managers ensuring his position remained protected and his endorsements were not at risk.
Turning it around, are you guys seriously deluded?? he hasn't turned it around in three years. He is a busted flush. Can he contribute as a squad player, yes of course he can but does he give a shite about being part of the team and taking a back seat .. no of course he doesn't. Lets see what a great character he is going forwards once he is benched, lets see how nicely he plays the elder squaddie role because mark my words.. this guy is going to show everyone what a true cnut he really is and the 'leaks' were just the beginning.
Pogue you need to wake up and smell the coffee mate, because typical Rooney that he is... will come out with shit interviews like this, strike a few lucky goals in a run of games and all of a sudden you'll be saying how he has proven himself again when the reality is he'll stink up the place for another 3 months after it. Seriously sick and tired of how dumb fans can be on this issue especially posters that have way more sense than they are showing on this particular issue.
You're not Phil Neville, you're better than that.
Funny you mention Fergie's loyal lieutenants. Both Scholes and (especially) Giggs got far more shit from fans than players who gave us so much deserved because they also did the worst thing possible. Continued to be selected while their powers were on the wane.
Evidently they dodged a bullet by not looking heavy-legged at a time when us fans are spectacularly losing our shit over being denied the constant success we've been accustomed to. Not to mention being part of a perennially shit England team at a point where they've been awful for so long it's getting beyond a joke.
If they had ticked all those boxes, I'm sure they'd be getting almost as much shit as Rooney is now. And that would be on us, the fans, and our desperate need to lash out when times are tough.
It's what footballers do. They say the same things over and over again and while he's a Utd player/captain he'll continue to do so.
It doesn't matter as he's done and my guess is he knowns this too. Doesn't really matter what he says.
Feeling the burn? he is not good enough anymore, it happens to all players. There comes a time when your best is not good enough. And that time has come for Wayne about 2014. But that does not mean we need to disrespect him. He is a United legend.
Wayne said:
Never.. Scholes was a level above everyone even when he came out of retirement. His legs were gone, but he was quality.
Giggs was never this bad either. He got a contract like Carrick has a contract but his playing time went down.
To say Giggs and Scholes were done and were the first name of the teamsheet is nonsense.
Also, both were in their mid 30s.. late 30s in Giggs's case.
Watching that 5 times thinking I'm going crazy.
Nice one
Rooney talks but his feet ain't listening.
The thread title is misleading. Rooney responds?
What kind of response is this?
It's just generic media trained crap. He should be responding on the pitch, but we all know that's a bit hard for Fatty these days
What kind of response is this?
It's just generic media trained crap. He should be responding on the pitch, but we all know that's a bit hard for Fatty these days
Seriously, where does anyone think Rooney would be if he was on the books of Barca, München, Real Madrid, or even Man City? He would be on the bench if lucky, sucking grapes.
I'm confused, are you defending Rooney here or do you just enjoy being argumentative for the sake of it?
Many people have been critical of Rooney for years, so it's hardly a case of fans desperate to suddenly lash out when times are tough.
He wouldn't even start for Spurs, Atletico, PSG, Dortmund.
I don't dislike him. And he's had some great years for the club. But today he's just not good enough and he's at an age where it's futile to structure a style of play or a team around him.
The only way he can respond to what has now become a mainstream view is to start dominating games. Not play average or worse for mostly full games and get the odd goal or assist. It won't paper over the cracks any longer. He's got one major task ahead of him.
The only possible way for him to continue to start games, lead the team out and still play the way he has been is if the criticism becomes so agressive and personal that it will divide opinon due to sympathy.
The only way he can respond to what has now become a mainstream view is to start dominating games. Not play average or worse for mostly full games and get the odd goal or assist. It won't paper over the cracks any longer. He's got one major task ahead of him.
The only possible way for him to continue to start games, lead the team out and still play the way he has been is if the criticism becomes so agressive and personal that it will divide opinon due to sympathy.
The closest Rooney ever gets to a book is reading the menu.
I hope its just Pogue being Pogue.. the alternative doesn't bear thinking about. It makes me want to puke or break someones face.. or throw a potato against the wall or something.
whats his excuse for being crap under moyes and lvg then? he has played in almost every position under almost every style in the last 3 years and sucked everywhere
In the not too distant future Wayne Rooney will be history at Manchester United. The day he leaves can't come quickly enough for me. Then perhaps the club can move forward. I'm done with Wayne Rooney.
Some die hards may think that Rooney is not finished, but he is the polished article, he is totally finished. All anyone needs to see that Rooney is finished is a pair of eyes. The funny thing is that he has been finished since at least 2014. And people ask what is going wrong at United. Lack of eyes I say, lack of eyes.
Scholes was pretty dreadful for a fair while leading up retirement #1.
I'm talking about the difference between thinking he's no longer good enough to play for us (which I believe is the case now and many thought happened much earlier) and the nasty edge to the criticism of a player who's given us a hell of a lot over the years (which I believe is borne out of frustration over three grim years since Fergie retired)
I'm perplexed by those who think we should only shower him with respect, he broke that link long ago and was tolerated as long as he performed.
Secondly, he's apparently above deserving criticism now? What reaction do you expect fans to have when he drags us down? Polite cheers simply because he's trying or was once talented?
Secondly, he's apparently above deserving criticism now? What reaction do you expect fans to have when he drags us down? Polite cheers simply because he's trying or was once talented?
Maybe cheesed off with the last three years meaning he is now a little bit of a scapegoat & stored-up resentment about the going to City contract shambles.
Great post, Rooney isn't being scapegoated, it's clear to anyone with working eyes that he's a log in the teams bowel, but if he had an ounce of humility and was treat like the rest of the players rather than like Messi, the anger levels would be nowhere near as high.
He's basically putting in dire performances one after the other and arrogantly dismissing criticisms, saying he has nothing to prove and pretty much acting like a baldy scouse Kardashian, it's no wonder most fans are fuming, even Gerrard had the dignity to simply make his exit and was a bit part player before he did so, and egos don't come much bigger than his.
No, no, no. And it's ridiculous to use this as a "how unreasonable football fans can be" kind of spiel when he has been rubbish for at least a season a a half here and not had to suffer the criticism that some of his teammates (Fellaini, Young, Valencia etc) have all had on here. Moyes & LVG have had PLENTY of real abuse on here so there is no "lightning rod" needed. There is no scapegoat either - we want to move on from the Rooney era and start developing a new team to take us forward. What is the problem with that? I've read shedloads about Rooney on here in the last week and the amount of genuine "hatred" I've seen pales into insignificance when compared to the amount of fair and justified criticism that has been posted about him.
Gerrard had one season where he absolutely had no right to play and got owned by Rodgers of all people. Rooney has had three. If it was upto some on here, he'd be getting a contract extension.
Thats the PC, zombified big brother the world has become, all from "PR" training. Just let players say what they want why do they have to do this media training crap, as you see, every player after matches, all say exact same garbage
Both great posts. The abuse Rooney and also other former players like Giggs, Neville and Scholes get on here is pretty sad to see.
Yes he needs to be dropped but the vile stuff that is written here makes me think I'm on bluemoon at times.
I agree with your general point. Giving a player like him this kind of shit is pretty over the top and at times embarrassing.
I thought that united fans would be a bit more tolerance/respectful to club legends/greats well based on nothing obviously. But, I was dead wrong at least on here. Rooney, Giggs, Scholes, P/G neville etc.
especially when he lacks any sense of THIS and I am not even talking about his abysmal quality itself... people will talk about how hard he works for the team etc but he's defo not, he cant chase a single ball, never works hard, thats for sure, focus is a joke, he's just out of his mind... player at his position should work much harder, not olny walk around awaiting a perfect ball which is never perfect for absolutely incompetent Rooney who will always slow the game down if not completely lose the ball and set up and counter attack..
So he basically accepts no responsibility for his performances.
Not once in the time since he joined us as a teenager have I got the feeling he loves the club. I brushed over that when he actually justified his salary with performances on the pitch, but now that has long gone and the relationship rather than being symbiotic is definitely parasitic in nature. What's to like. He can piss off any time now thank you very much.
Great post.
I think you're well off here to be honest. Rooney has never been fully taken to by all United fans, that's a fact, then to hand in two transfer requests and attempt to undermine our greatest ever manager. The love has never been the same for Rooney since.
If you really think the abuse he's getting now is just because "we're not doing well" and that Scholes and Giggs would have suffered similar then you're gravely mistaken.
Giggs and Scholes also weren't picked every single game when their powers were on the wane. They also managed to maintain humility and a decent level of performance when called upon.
Pexbos post sums it up, Rooney is self obsessed, he cares far too much about his image and how he's perceived. It's not the Wayne Rooney of 10 years ago and I don't mean on the pitch.
His mentality and priorities have changed. Again like Pexbo said, he's surrounded by yes men and I think they've poisoned his mentality.
The way you talk about Rooney is as if he's been doing us a favour all these years.
The guy is being paid millions of pounds to play for and captain one of the greatest clubs in the world. Now If you're gonna do that and act like some self satisfying bell end, at least have the decency to put in some half decent performances. And if you can't do that, then don't you fecking dare tell the fans they're talking shit when they question those performances.
Anybody who has ever put a penny in to United, be it tickets, shirts or whatever, has a right.
I really wish they would have done a phone in. He can have as many yes men around him at Carrington but 99% of fans would have told him exactly how it is.
Saying the opinions of the outside is rubbish, god I'm beginning to hate the cnut. If he doesn't care for our opinions as he claims, surely the fans booing him and making him feel unwanted shouldn't move him then.
What kind of shit? And what form of criticism do you actually think is acceptable and tolerant?
Do you think we should all be giving him the benefit of the doubt? Or do you think we should direct all anger at the manager?
Spot on post Raees
Did the club really think this would be a good PR exercise? 'I think those fans that are criticising me talk rubbish and I don't bother listening to them.' Could he be anymore insulated?