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[dichinero]

There's an interesting bit in the article where it says we've scored more goals with him in the team . He should not be starting in our team currently but he's not been anywhere even remotely close to our worst players in the past 2-3 seasons as some like to suggest on here.

My word, are you for real? He's been better than Jones, Fellaini and Rojo, and that's your standard? Desperate stuff!

 

[psychdelicblues]

Rooney shouldn't be in the team now
But people saying stuff like 'Rooney fans' and 'Rooney fanboys' aren't proper united fans. Rooney has given his all for us for donkeys years, he's our captain and being on the decline shouldn't mean that people should hate him. I'm all for having a laugh about him being a chunk and even the angry and confused thread is hilarious. But everyone on this forum should be a 'fanboy' of your own teams captain.

Worst post of the day. In mitigation I understand grief effects different people in different ways.

 

[wr8_utd]

One of our better player under Moyes. Top scorer under LvG season 1 (I think) and some 14-15 odd goals last season despite being poor for the first 3-4 months, missing time through injury and playing a lot of his time in CM. I understand saying he's one of our worst this season but extending this and making it look he's been awful for 3 years is just wrong. This is what I'd meant in the other thread when I said people will begin to rewrite history. He's definitely been in decline for 2-3 years but he's not been anywhere even close to being among our worst performers.

 

[Smores]

One of our better player under Moyes. Top scorer under LvG season 1 (I think) and some 14-15 odd goals last season despite being poor for the first 3-4 months, missing time through injury and playing a lot of his time in CM. I understand saying he's one of our worst this season but extending this and making it look he's been awful for 3 years is just wrong. This is what I'd meant in the other thread when I said people will begin to rewrite history. He's definitely been in decline for 2-3 years but he's not been anywhere even close to being among our worst performers.

He's played at a top club he's gonna have got goals especially considering he took pens.

I've been on his case for years but yeah he hasn't been this bad for that long. He just in my mind started to decline rapidly even prior to Fergie leaving and we could and should have got a replacement rather than enduring with him.

Him as a 10 was the most frustrating as his all round standard wasnt enough for us and yet everything had to go through him.

 

[itso 7]

One of our better player under Moyes. Top scorer under LvG season 1 (I think) and some 14-15 odd goals last season despite being poor for the first 3-4 months, missing time through injury and playing a lot of his time in CM. I understand saying he's one of our worst this season but extending this and making it look he's been awful for 3 years is just wrong. This is what I'd meant in the other thread when I said people will begin to rewrite history. He's definitely been in decline for 2-3 years but he's not been anywhere even close to being among our worst performers.

Last season he went half a season without contributing to a single point in the league, if you remove the goals against Brugge his stats won't be that flattering. Admittedly he played well under Moyes, then he got his new deal and promptly went to shit. So I wouldn't rush to say people are rewriting history here.

 

[theyneverlearn]

One of our better player under Moyes. Top scorer under LvG season 1 (I think) and some 14-15 odd goals last season despite being poor for the first 3-4 months, missing time through injury and playing a lot of his time in CM. I understand saying he's one of our worst this season but extending this and making it look he's been awful for 3 years is just wrong. This is what I'd meant in the other thread when I said people will begin to rewrite history. He's definitely been in decline for 2-3 years but he's not been anywhere even close to being among our worst performers.

Fans expect more from a player paid what he does.

Look around at other £250k per week players and see what they contribute to their team and compare it to Rooney.

 

[Red Stone]

if you remove the goals against Brugge his stats won't be that flattering.

Actually, if you remove his goals against bottom half quality (or lower) teams, he had three goals last season. I went through the numbers in this post.

So play him against the fodder if he absolutely has to play. Leave the tough games to the players that are actually good.

 

[VanGaalEra]

How classy coming dragging some shit up that was written in affect a long time ago. I honestly can't believe how you've gone through posts like that. Talk about being a stalker. I was really concerned about the level of discussion and how low it had dropped until you came along and totally killed any hope for a constructive conversation with your Donald Trump way of going about. I'm out of here. You can have your discussion for yourself.

This place is overloaded with Rooney haters. Are you not ashamed at all???

Yes, us guys who go to OT have totally different views on what support is like and how it should be distributed. Even in the darkest days fans at OT rarely get on the back of a player. It would be interesting to hear the crowd reaction on some of the comments made on this site if they had a digital screen showing the garbage coming out of this site at OT.

I bet most of you would sit quietly and clap your hands at every successful interception and pass like small school boys had you taken your time to come over to OT and sit with the big boys and real fans.

This was brilliant, it actually made the thread a lot more light hearted.

 

[POF]

I maintain he was never instrumental in any of our titles. a contributor but not a main reason for our success. Heck I can't even remember him in the 2008 champions league final.

Totally agree. Rooney was a very good player but not good enough to be the main man in a successful United team. He has had 2 seasons where he scored 20 league goals or more and United didn't win the league in either one.

In that way he is very similar to Gerrard. Very talented but a very individual player. Lauded as the talisman but in truth, the club looked far better when he was given a less influential role.

 

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[SirScholes]

No arguments with anything you've said mate, still doesn't mean I have to like the bloke

Heard loud and clear

 

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[Dec9003]

Worst post of the day. In mitigation I understand grief effects different people in different ways.

I'm terribly disappointed to have received your award of worst post of the day. I understand now that getting behind the team captain and understanding he should be benched without using childish insults against him is wrong.

 

[Rightnr]

This looks promising but I won't celebrate until I see the back of him at the end of the season.

Aan FA cup will make for a decent send-off.

 

[Adam-Utd]

If he doesn't start against Stoke then we've got some progress. I fear he will be back in the 11 though with a slap on the wrist.

He will probably score and everybody will say "he's back".. again.

 

[Devil may care]

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This is the troubling one, he's got nothing left to offer but will just cling around for 2 more pointless seasons.

 

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You'd hope so, if Mata didn't play well enough then to keep in the side over Rooney then it will take some effort to displace someone who has been so poor.

 

[Oneunited26]

So if we have a shit manager with shit tactics it's down to Rooney ok. This is equally daft as using stats alone

How was rooney under fergie in his last season? pretty average at best, and didn't fergie thought rooney's time was up? that sums it up. How has rooney been under Jose? rubbish, so shit manager, great manager, he is still mediocre to terrible

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

This is the troubling one, he's got nothing left to offer but will just cling around for 2 more pointless seasons.

Yeah if true that's terrible news.

It's not a shock though really is it? I've long thought he's lost that desire and will to win and so it wouldn't surprise me if he was content to be an incredibly expensive bit part squad member.

At least we wont be hearing any more rumours about a new contract.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

I guess we can keep him as a 3rd backup striker until his contract runs out.

We really could have screwed Chelsea over selling him for £30m. Oh well...

 

[Champagne Football]

This is the troubling one, he's got nothing left to offer but will just cling around for 2 more pointless seasons.

Was exactly my thoughts. Why is he getting his PR guys to say something as outrageous as that in the Mirror. I'd say Woodward has already booked him a flight for the USA or China for summer 2017. There's no way the club will entertain ideas of a squad player hanging around for a couple more seasons on 300,000 a week. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Rooney tried to drag his heels to continue the bench role here for the remainder of the contract instead of disappearing to the USA in the summer. He definitely will improve his form with a bit of a break on the bench and he will definitely be an asset for Europa league and FA cup games and in case the injuries pile up but there's just no way the club will let him see out his last 2 seasons on that kind of money as an impact sub unless he's willing to cut his salary in half from summer 2017 onwards

 

[SirScholes]

Totally agree. Rooney was a very good player but not good enough to be the main man in a successful United team. He has had 2 seasons where he scored 20 league goals or more and United didn't win the league in either one.

In that way he is very similar to Gerrard. Very talented but a very individual player. Lauded as the talisman but in truth, the club looked far better when he was given a less influential role.

2004/05 11 goals 4 assits
29 games 17 goals
2005/06 16 goals 10 assits
26 goals 36 games
2006/07 14 goals 11 assist
25 goals 35 game
2007/08 12 goals 13 assist
25 goals 27 games
2008/09 12 goals 7 assists
17 goals from 30 games
2009/10 - 26 goals 3 assists
29 goals from 32 games
2010/11 - 11 goals 11 assists
22 goals in 28 games
2011/12 - 27 goals 4 assists
31 goals in 34 apps
2012/13 - 12 goals 10 assits
22 goals 27 apps
2013/14 (moyes) - 17 goals 10 assits
27 goals from 27 games

He's had a great career with us and more than contributed his fair share; these are just prem games

 

[Jazz]

I hope he re-thinks an MLS move. Can't have a bit part player on so much money, plus I don't believe it's good to have him hanging around. You have to make a clean break. Just don't trust that Paul Stretford won't make problems for Jose and United. The players need to breathe and get on with it. It won't be comfortable for them having him around in that capacity.

Bloody Moyes and his stupidity Let's hope Woodward has learned a valuable lesson.

 

[RedSky]

Page 11 and 12 in this thread is pure gold.

 

[Seveneric]

I don't even care for the guy, but I see some posters have already begun the history rewrite, saying he didn't really contribute much to United's success. Okay

 

[Devil may care]

Yeah if true that's terrible news.

It's not a shock though really is it? I've long thought he's lost that desire and will to win and so it wouldn't surprise me if he was content to be an incredibly expensive bit part squad member.

At least we wont be hearing any more rumours about a new contract.

Jose needs to do to him what he's done to Schweini and what Pep is doing to Yaya.

Was exactly my thoughts. Why is he getting his PR guys to say something as outrageous as that in the Mirror. I'd say Woodward has already booked him a flight for the USA or China for summer 2017. There's no way the club will entertain ideas of a squad player hanging around for a couple more seasons on 300,000 a week. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Rooney tried to drag his heels to continue the bench role here for the remainder of the contract instead of disappearing to the USA in the summer. He definitely will improve his form with a bit of a break on the bench and he will definitely be an asset for Europa league and FA cup games and in case the injuries pile up but there's just no way the club will let him see out his last 2 seasons on that kind of money as an impact sub unless he's willing to cut his salary in half from summer 2017 onwards

The thing for me is that it's not just the money, it's the fact he's taking up bench space, suppose Micki and Martial had been fit for Saturday's game, even if one replaced Young on the bench, the other would be missing out for Rooney, and that's before you consider any attacking buy we might make next summer.

 

[spwd]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but wtf do I click on the tweets to read the story instead of getting some other shit unrelated to story?

 

[Red_toad]

The fact is rooney is shit. Accept it?

Lowest rating for 3 seasons in a row, in a Manchester united board. You'd think 99precent of us is blind?

I shall repeat yet again, I'm not debating his performances, simply correcting a completely incorrect statement. I do not appreciate lies being spread about any of our players.

 

[Sky1981]

There's a difference between not thinking he's good enough anymore and calling people 'fanboys' who support one of our legends. That's the point I was trying to make not that he should still be in the side.

Whoa... It's the rooney brigade that's calling us a digrace, etc

I shall repeat yet again, I'm not debating his performances, simply correcting a completely incorrect statement. I do not appreciate lies being spread about any of our players.

What lies? That he's shit?

 

[SteveJ]

Saturday felt like the beginning of an uncoupling between player and club. The brutality of sport resides in the speed of this process. One minute you are the totem, the next minute you are dust. Just ask Robin van Persie and Yaya Toure.

For Rooney, there will also come the realisation that despite a quite extraordinary contribution over the course of 12 years – more United appearances than any player bar Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and Gary Neville and a tally of 246 goals: three short of Sir Bobby Charlton as the club’s greatest – no-one is likely be casting a bronze statue of him to sit alongside the Holy Trinity outside the stadium. He won’t be mourned when he has left the place.

He is reaping what he sowed when he and his representatives have negotiated his two new contracts in the past nine years. Both were sought when he held all the cards: the first in 2010 when Ferguson was trying to wring the last drops out of his squad; the second four years later when David Moyes was desperate to keep Rooney, as Chelsea circled and Mourinho tilted a skirt.

On neither of these occasions did the machinations flatter Rooney. There was the unforgettable night before United played Bursaspor in the Champions League tie in 2010 when he issued a statement questioning the "continued ability of the club to attract the top players in the world" and "win trophies." Those words angered Patrice Evra, who said after the 1-0 win that "if one player does not trust the other players, that player should not play."

Wayne Rooney reaps what he sows, he will never be revered like Sir Bobby Charlton:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...revered-like-sir-bobby-charlton-a7329506.html

 

[Red_toad]

What lies? That he's shit?

post that he does not score nor assist.

Thought the people who were rooting for Rooney to fail and be dropped would be happy, but no still grinding away at his contract etc etc. Oh how you guys are going to get in a tizzy over him staying for another 2 seasons.

 

[Gazza]

Wayne Rooney reaps what he sows, he will never be revered like Sir Bobby Charlton:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...revered-like-sir-bobby-charlton-a7329506.html

I was thinking about this the other day - when the players hear the fans signing Eric Cantona's name almost 20 years after he left the club, do they realize how unusual that is? Personally, I doubt Rooney cares about it too much, but he could have been the sort of player United fans would sign about after he left. His contract shenanigans worked in the sense that he's financially better off, but it cost him his chance at the kind of "immortality" that belongs to the likes of Busby, Best, Eric and the like.

 

[Ronaldo's Mum Eh?]

Love it. Long may it continue. He's a waste.

 

[Sky1981]

post that he does not score nor assist.

Thought the people who were rooting for Rooney to fail and be dropped would be happy, but no still grinding away at his contract etc etc. Oh how you guys are going to get in a tizzy over him staying for another 2 seasons.

What a load of fiction

We United supporters wants Rooney to fail for 3 consecutive years, bringing the club with him so that we can call him shit overpaid scouse??? You'd think we'd be happy we finished 5th so that we can slag Rooney off???

 

[soapythecat]

Wayne Rooney reaps what he sows, he will never be revered like Sir Bobby Charlton:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...revered-like-sir-bobby-charlton-a7329506.html

Great article and the reason why he will never be a United legend in my eyes.

 

[Bobcat]

He's had a great career with us and more than contributed his fair share; these are just prem games

He has been a great player for us, no one is arguing against that, but how he did from 2004 - 2014 isn't really relevant to how hes been performing the last couple of years. Besides, stats can be very deceiving, especially when said player has been on penalty and set piece duty for that period.

I wanted Rooney dropped for a long, long time, that does not mean i "hate him" or want him unceremoniously fecked off to the MLS. A lot of the resentment towards Rooney comes from his poor performances combined with the retarded way Van Gaal handled him. I have honestly never seen the like, where a player can keep on playing poorly for so long and never have his place in the first XI questioned.

The ball is very much in Rooneys court now. He can get his head down and prove he deserves to play for us, or he can accept his new role as a part time player.

 

[itso 7]

Actually, if you remove his goals against bottom half quality (or lower) teams, he had three goals last season. I went through the numbers in this post.

So play him against the fodder if he absolutely has to play. Leave the tough games to the players that are actually good.

The thing is that those players also need games against fodder to get those confidence raising stats and performances.