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Yes it was, but what was the reason for it ? IMO as I said above 'lack of mental acuity and physical tiredness from the vast distances traveled ....'. They didn't look sharp even when put through on goal - any of those three.
That did play a part to.

If anybody who's travelled long haul knows how it can zap you.
 

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Great result for us, would have drew that last year. Bit of a odd game tbh crowd was a little subdued after courtinio went off Injured.

Hope he's OK and nothing too serious. We're looking a little thin in attack now with him, Ings, studge and firminio was limping at the end too. :(

Still, good three points so onto the league cup on tues.
 

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Situation is just manageable if Origi stays injury free. Problem is he's a crock too.
 

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Situation is just manageable if Origi stays injury free. Problem is he's a crock too.
With Mane at the AFCON I think Klopp may look in January at bringing another attacker in.
 
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Anyone seen Karius and his goal kick? :lol:
One of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. I think he was trying to pass to Clyne or Matip but saw a Sunderland player trying to close them down and panicked. He ended up just slicing the ball out. That's the first time I've seen a keeper concede a corner from a goal kick though.

Speaking of Matip, he's been our best signing this season. I'd go as far as saying that he's been one of the best CB's in the league this season. Klopp had a really good transfer window in the summer.
Andy Carroll or Benteke would be excellent buys for you lot. Or both if possible.
Sign Andy Carroll in January? It's so crazy it might just work. :wenger:
 

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What's up with Coutinho?
An ankle injury but we don't know the extent of it yet. He's having a scan tomorrow. The worry is that it's ligament damage so he could be out for a while. It's unlikely we'll see him again in 2016.
 

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I think a lot of the time international week doesn't come down to the loss of fitness but the loss of momentum. I have no idea what the stats say but a lot of the time you can see the team has slipped a gear following the internationals.



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One of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. I think he was trying to pass to Clyne or Matip but saw a Sunderland player trying to close them down and panicked. He ended up just slicing the ball out. That's the first time I've seen a keeper concede a corner from a goal kick though.

Speaking of Matip, he's been our best signing this season. I'd go as far as saying that he's been one of the best CB's in the league this season. Klopp had a really good transfer window in the summer.

Sign Andy Carroll in January? It's so crazy it might just work. :wenger:
Agree about matip. He was quite underrated and is taking the next step forward. He was a bargain. Karius was a great signing as well.
What's genuinly surprising me is, that Klopp sorted out the midfield without signing a DM. That is quite impressive.
 

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Agree about matip. He was quite underrated and is taking the next step forward. He was a bargain. Karius was a great signing as well.
What's genuinly surprising me is, that Klopp sorted out the midfield without signing a DM. That is quite impressive.
I'm not sold on Karius yet. He still looks very uneasy and not really in control of certain situations but I think he's improving.

Klopp's decision to turn Henderson into our holding midfielder has turned out to be an excellent piece of management so far. Henderson's having an outstanding season so far and it seems to benefit us having players like Lallana and Wijnaldum either side of him. They both have the engines to join in with the attack and work back to retain possession when we lose it.
 

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I'm not sold on Karius yet. He still looks very uneasy and not really in control of certain situations but I think he's improving.

Klopp's decision to turn Henderson into our holding midfielder has turned out to be an excellent piece of management so far. Henderson's having an outstanding season so far and it seems to benefit us having players like Lallana and Wijnaldum either side of him. They both have the engines to join in with the attack and work back to retain possession when we lose it.
You are right about the midfield but we really miss Lallana in that formation, we were quite static at times on saturday.
I would expect he will come back in for Coutinho so it will be interesting how we line up next weekend.

Tomorrow's team will be interesting as Firmino and Sturridge will probably be out, so attacking options will be limited.

Most of the guys who sit near me at the game can't stand Mignolet so it's quieter now he isn't playing! But the way Klopp wants his keepers to play the ball short a lot of the time does sometimes put us under unnecessary pressure, now and again you just have to clear your lines.
 

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So what's the deal with the Cout? How long's he gonna be out for?

Likewise, will Firmino be back for the weekend? If not, that's Coutinho, Firmino and Lallana out...
We don't how long Coutinho is out for yet but likely not to be available until the new year at the earliest.
Sounds like they think it's ankle ligaments so 6 weeks maybe, not really sure. May even be longer.
Would be surprised if Klopp doesn't buy an attacker in the next transfer window - not that January is easy.

I believe Firmino and Lallana will both be okay for next weekend.
 

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So what's the deal with the Cout? How long's he gonna be out for?

Likewise, will Firmino be back for the weekend? If not, that's Coutinho, Firmino and Lallana out...
Firmino and Lallana should be back for Sunday. It's a bit more unclear with Coutinho but he's having a scan today.
 

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Nonchalantly scoring the winner...
Will be interesting to see how you cope without him for the busy Christmas period.

Obviously I hope you drop points, but at the same time I think it's a shame for you to drop them because of what looked like a horrible injury to a top PL player.

So I guess I'm saying that I hope you crumble, but that I also hope Coutinho's injury isn't too bad.
 

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Will be interesting to see how you cope without him for the busy Christmas period.

Obviously I hope you drop points, but at the same time I think it's a shame for you to drop them because of what looked like a horrible injury to a top PL player.

So I guess I'm saying that I hope you crumble, but that I also hope Coutinho's injury isn't too bad.
Don't fancy coping without Coutinho and Mane assuming it's a longer term injury as the latter is at the AFCON.
That's why I think Klopp might sign someone.
 

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I haven't seen it but reports say that Phil was ''in agony'' so that seems like a proper knackering of the ankle ligaments to me. I done this injury many years ago & can confirm that it does smart a bit to say the least.

It's 4-5 weeks absolute minimum, where I would 'expertly' say that 4 is too soon, more likely 6 & then you might start to add a week for losing a bit of fitness too. And it lingers, mine was stiff & slightly swollen for yonks afterwards, I can tell you, :D.
 

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I haven't seen it but reports say that Phil was ''in agony'' so that seems like a proper knackering of the ankle ligaments to me. I done this injury many years ago & can confirm that it does smart a bit to say the least.

It's 4-5 weeks absolute minimum, where I would 'expertly' say that 4 is too soon, more likely 6 & then you might start to add a week for losing a bit of fitness too. And it lingers, mine was stiff & slightly swollen for yonks afterwards, I can tell you, :D.
Klopp said at HT Phil said there was no pain at all. However (copy/paste from another LFC forum) :

Medial ankle ligaments is a very rare and nasty injury. It's a huge fan on ligaments in the inside of the ankle, and this provides the stability of the whole joint. Depends on the severity of the strain or tear, ankle eversion injuries like this are rarely seen and a bad tear can be 3-6 months.

Lateral ankle ligs (when you invert or 'go over' on it, which is easy to do, we've probably all done it a few times) are much less weight-bearing and are usually 4-12 weeks.
 

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Klopp said at HT Phil said there was no pain at all. However (copy/paste from another LFC forum) :

Medial ankle ligaments is a very rare and nasty injury. It's a huge fan on ligaments in the inside of the ankle, and this provides the stability of the whole joint. Depends on the severity of the strain or tear, ankle eversion injuries like this are rarely seen and a bad tear can be 3-6 months.

Lateral ankle ligs (when you invert or 'go over' on it, which is easy to do, we've probably all done it a few times) are much less weight-bearing and are usually 4-12 weeks.
Ah right, I'd not actually heard of the medial ankle thing. So that's less pain associated with it, but a (far) more serious injury, I find that a bit weird, but then again, the very serious ACL knee things can look fairly harmless too.

I really do think 12 weeks is too high an estimate for the other one, no matter how badly you've managed to do it. They will have him back way inside of that, for saying so on the internet, absolute definite, :). Does cause stiffness in the joint though, from what I remember, mine was ages with that, but I didn't bother with any treatment after the 48 hours of the frozen peas.

feck me, it hurt though, calling it ''going over on it'' (as we all do) doesn't reflect this, really.
 

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Some crap sources on Twitter are saying 6 weeks but not confirmed yet.
 

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Some crap sources on Twitter are saying 6 weeks but not confirmed yet.
This Is Anfield reports the same on Facebook. I won't believe it until Liverpool makes an official statement but I 'like' the sound of six weeks, he'd be back after New Year and we have a decent run of fixtures until we meet City on the 31st.
 

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Will be interesting to see how you cope without him for the busy Christmas period.

Obviously I hope you drop points, but at the same time I think it's a shame for you to drop them because of what looked like a horrible injury to a top PL player.

So I guess I'm saying that I hope you crumble, but that I also hope Coutinho's injury isn't too bad.
I'm pretty sure no Liverpool fan cared a jot about Bailly and Smalling injuries.

I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
 

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On the plus side, this will give Coutinho a decent winter break and hopefully he'll be even better in the second half of the season
 

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I'm pretty sure no Liverpool fan cared a jot about Bailly and Smalling injuries.

I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
No decent person, regardless of which team you support, likes to see a player badly injured. I was gutted for Bailly and glad when it turned out not to be as serious as I thought it looked.

Will be interesting (in a terrifying sort of way) to see how Klopp sets up the team during Coutinho's time out. Hopefully Lallana can get back and remain fit - he may not be as flashy, but he definitely makes the side tick. And like others have said, Klopp should definitely try to bring someone during the January window even if Coutinho should manage to be back by then, tricky though it may be. Mané away, a couple more injuries to important players and that's us effed.
 

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No decent person, regardless of which team you support, likes to see a player badly injured. I was gutted for Bailly and glad when it turned out not to be as serious as I thought it looked.

Will be interesting (in a terrifying sort of way) to see how Klopp sets up the team during Coutinho's time out. Hopefully Lallana can get back and remain fit - he may not be as flashy, but he definitely makes the side tick. And like others have said, Klopp should definitely try to bring someone during the January window even if Coutinho should manage to be back by then, tricky though it may be. Mané away, a couple more injuries to important players and that's us effed.
Yeah I think the Liverpool squad is very much based on PL only. It is very thin. Thus far with weeks between games it's been pretty easy to prepare and keep everyone fit but with Coutinho out for a while and Mane to go in the new year it will be very interesting to see how you perform.

A cup exit could be a blessing.
 

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Confirmed as being out for 5-6 weeks.

6 weeks, couple weeks to get back to full fitness so roughly 2 months until he's up and hopefully not firing again. Likely to miss:

Leeds (H)
Bournemouth (A)
WHU (H)
Boro (A)
Everton (A)
Stoke (H)
City (H)
Sunderland (A)
United (A)
Swansea (H)

Target date is most likely Chelsea H on 31 January 2017.
 

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Confirmed as being out for 5-6 weeks.

6 weeks, couple weeks to get back to full fitness so roughly 2 months until he's up and hopefully not firing again. Likely to miss:

Leeds (H)
Bournemouth (A)
WHU (H)
Boro (A)
Everton (A)
Stoke (H)
City (H)
Sunderland (A)
United (A)
Swansea (H)

Target date is most likely Chelsea H on 31 January 2017.
I think we'll get him back for United away.
 

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I think we'll get him back for United away.
6 weeks out means back training on the 9 Jan (if we count from today's date, the date of the scan). I can't see him being involved against us tbh.

Will take at least 2 weeks from that date to get fitness back and the odd sub appearance. Chelsea game is probably the most sensible target for him.
 

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Ah right, I'd not actually heard of the medial ankle thing. So that's less pain associated with it, but a (far) more serious injury, I find that a bit weird, but then again, the very serious ACL knee things can look fairly harmless too.

I really do think 12 weeks is too high an estimate for the other one, no matter how badly you've managed to do it. They will have him back way inside of that, for saying so on the internet, absolute definite, :). Does cause stiffness in the joint though, from what I remember, mine was ages with that, but I didn't bother with any treatment after the 48 hours of the frozen peas.

feck me, it hurt though, calling it ''going over on it'' (as we all do) doesn't reflect this, really.
The guy who posted that is a nurse BTW.
 

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6 weeks isn't great but could have been a lot worse I suppose, I didn't get a great view from where I was sat at the game but images later looked horrendous.
I thought it was a break.
Still expect a signing in January and at least Lallana is back soon, need Sturridge to stay fit and a chance for Origi to shine.

The likes of young Ejaria and Stewart may get a chance from the bench also - so positives in that.

We have to cope with injuries even to our best players.
 

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That's more like it ! City are our next 'big match' so back for City and then United soon after would be perfect. Winter/Xmas hols sorted and back refreshed.