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[Ultimate Grib]

By Voting the lib dem, we're weakening both TM and JC hand. It will also show the remainers are a strong minority that need to be considered.

Not if there is little or no chance to win the specific seat. There needs to be tactical voting. Voter trading like in US. I'll happily give my vote to anyone in my constituency as it's an easy Con win as long as they vote Labour/Lib dem in a marginal seat.

 

[devilish]

So you had to bring it back to David Moyes?

JC is DM equivalent in politics

 

[Sweet Square]

I love a bit of Pete Townsend, I do.

?

 

[Smores]

I would probably orgasm if a David Miliband/Chukka Umunna launched a new centrist/mild-left party which was pro-EU (feck it, even just pro single-market) and favoured PR.

That would be the worst thing that could possibly happen, do you not understand FPTP?

 

[devilish]

So they could splinter the remainer vote further and help May win the election?

Correct me if I am wrong, but the antisemitic/commie sympathiser is openly pro Brexit. A vote to Lib dem will serve me well because

a- it will show that the remainer camp are still alive and kicking and will vote towards parties who will defend them

b- it will fast track JC descend to obscurity

 

[FC Ronaldo]

The only chance Labour have in my eyes is to play the NHS card wth tax sweeteners in the biggest possible ways.

Flipping Brexit stance seriously risks further alienating their core (working and lower classes) and past voters, who are already disillusioned as it is. The elderly and lower classes swung the Brexit vote so the only way to re-engage them is to strike their core values in daily life (NHS, tax relief, wages and benefits).

I'm not sure there is enough time nor sufficient proof that in playing a flippant Brexit card in that manner will be capturing key demographics that will turn out (ie young and old) and swing the necessary margins.

Yet most people care about day to day services, healthcare and welfare. If Labours core messages can drum those key elements in early and loud enough, there is a feint chance. Sadly, there has been little evidence to suggest its likely either.

Reality is, this is a Labour whipping before our eyes as the Tories strengthen their positions, against most logic, due to the inherent ineptitude of almost every party around them.

 

[muller]

"If you like not paying £100 for a doctors appointment then vote for us"

Labour, 2017.

 

[Silva]

I would probably orgasm if a David Miliband/Chukka Umunna launched a new centrist/mild-left party which was pro-EU (feck it, even just pro single-market) and favoured PR.

David can't, he's not an MP anymore. Both seem more interested in their own careers than public service anyway.

 

[altodevil]

That would be the worst thing that could possibly happen, do you not understand FPTP?

Of course I do. But the election is a write-off, I'd rather it was used to further a political party with a possible future.

 

[rcoobc]

A vote for Lib Dem in most constituencies will be a vote for the Tories and hard brexit.

Errr... no.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...lection-2015-where-should-you-vote-tactically

If you want Ed Miliband to be the prime minister ...

Spoiler

Consider a vote for the Lib Dems in these constituencies:

• Aldershot
• Bath
• Berwick-upon-Tweed
• Carshalton and Wallington
• Central Devon
• Cheadle
• Chelmsford
• Cheltenham
• Chippenham
• Colchester
• East Hampshire
• Eastbourne
• Eastleigh
• Folkestone and Hythe
• Guildford
• Harrogate and Knaresborough
• Hazel Grove
• Hereford and South Herefordshire
• Horsham
• Isle of Wight
• Kingston and Surbiton
• Lewes
• Ludlow
• Maidenhead
• Maidstone and The Weald
• Meon Valley
• Mid Dorset and North Poole
• Mid Sussex
• New Forest East
• Newbury
• Newton Abbot
• North Cornwall
• North Devon
• North Dorset
• North Herefordshire
• North Norfolk
• North Somerset
• North Wiltshire
• Oxford West and Abingdon
• Poole
• Portsmouth South
• Richmond Park
• Romsey and Southampton North
• Salisbury
• Skipton and Ripon
• Solihull
• Somerton and Frome
• South Cambridgeshire
• South East Cambridgeshire
• South East Cornwall
• South West Surrey
• Southport
• St Albans
• St Austell and Newquay
• St Ives
• Stratford-on-Avon
• Sutton and Cheam
• Taunton Deane
• Tewkesbury
• The Cotswolds
• Thornbury and Yate
• Tiverton and Honiton
• Torbay
• Torridge and West Devon
• Totnes
• Twickenham
• Wells
• West Dorset
• West Worcestershire
• Westmorland and Lonsdale
• Weston-Super-Mare
• Winchester
• Woking
• Yeovil
• York Outer

If you want David Cameron to be the prime minister ...

Spoiler

Consider a vote for the Lib Dems in these constituencies:

Arfon
Argyll and Bute
Bermondsey and Old Southwark
Birmingham Hodge Hill
Birmingham Yardley
Blaydon Bradford
East Brent Central
Bristol West
Caerphilly
Caithness Sutherland and Easter Ross
Cambridge
Cardiff Central
Carmarthen East and Dinefwr
Ceredigion
Chesterfield City of Durham
Cynon Valley East
Dunbartonshire Edinburgh West
Gordon Hornsey and Wood
Green Inverness Nairn Badenoch and Strathspey
Islington South and Finsbury Islwyn
Kingston upon Hull North
Leeds North West Liverpool Wavertree Llanelli
Manchester Gorton
Manchester Withington
Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney
Neath
Newcastle upon Tyne East
Newcastle upon Tyne North
Newport East
North East Fife Orkney and
Shetland Oxford East Pontypridd
Rhondda Rochdale Ross
Skye and Lochaber
Sheffield Central
Sheffield Hallam
Streatham
Swansea West
Walthamstow Ynys Môn

Lib Dem more often was a vote for Labour in the last election

 

[Rory 7]

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[Paul the Wolf]

?

Who?

 

[NinjaFletch]

Exactly what difference will Farron having say a 17% voter share have? Absolutely nothing.

Nothing wrong with voting on principle usually if it feeds the political narrative but if that is on pro-eu its going to achieve nothing.

This has to be about seats, if anyone votes Lib Dem in a seat they have no chance of winning then it may as well be a Tory vote.

More than voting for a Pro Brexit Corbyn led Labour party I would imagine.

 

[711]

Waiting for the spreads to open a number of seats market, will look at buying Lib Dems.

 

[Crossie]

Just watched Nicola Sturgeon on CNN, interviewed about the snap election. What a contrast to boring, bloodless, uptight Theresa May.

 

[sammsky1]

Her negotiating prowess once again show it's head.
Criticises all the other political parties then asks them to give her the 2/3rds vote to enable her to even have a general election.

Might work in parliament, that strategy will not work in the negotiations with the EU.

Makes no difference to the EU if there's an election or not.
On the news here just a one line announcement that she's called an election... so what.

But a big majority does help her a lot.

If she has a huge majority in British parliament, when EU plays hardball, she wont get pressure from parliament to concede or compromise.

 

[altodevil]

So they could splinter the remainer vote further and help May win the election?

She's already won. I reckon they'd run in seats where they could get Labour defections (who are scared of losing due to Corbyn), then leave the LibDem/Tory marginals and endorse the progressive party.

 

[montpelier]

Lib Dems could do well in some constituencies but too few to make any overall difference.

Labour should go on being anti Brexit but don't have the competence of leadership or bottle.

Tories All the Way - gonna be a landslide, .

 

[Paul the Wolf]

But a big majority does help her a lot.

If she has a huge majority in British parliament, when EU plays hardball, she wont get pressure from parliament to concede or compromise.

But it won't worry the EU

 

[Dobba]

Bye bye Scotland

 

[Nogbadthebad]

David can't, he's not an MP anymore. Both seem more interested in their own careers than public service anyway.

Indeed

David Milliband works for a charity that ostensibly helps deprived children. He takes a $600K a year salary, and another $300K to pay for his Manhattan apartment.

When you work for a charity, every penny you take in wages is one less penny for the people you are supposed to be helping. It is clear where his priorities are, or does anyone think he really needs a Manhattan apartment?

 

[rcoobc]

Lib Dems could do well in some constituencies but too few to make any overall difference.

Labour should go on being anti Brexit but don't have the competence of leadership or bottle.

Tories All the Way - gonna be a landslide, .

Go on meaning, change from their current position?

 

[Sweet Square]

Who?

Oops. They were slightly before my time.


Still agree with you that people were fooled, just that I image it won't be a big voter winner. Although it would be funny to see.

 

[sammsky1]

Corbyn speaking now: He will basically tax the crap out of 'the rich' to spend on 'the poor'.

There are no poor people in the UK, and they get everything anyway.

Seems you cant be an achiever without getting hammered under Corbyn. Im far from very very rich, but I do get paid well for my very hard work. And I'm fed up paying for the whinging lazy assholes who all voted to Brexit. Don't care about them at all now. I owe them nothing. They and Corbyn can do one.

Looks like I'll have to vote tory for the first time ever.

 

[Dobba]

Already prepared for all the hot takes from the media about Tim Farron being a progressive icon. Just as long as you don't ask him about reproductive rights or gays having sex.

I've got mine, Jack.

Looks like I'll have to vote tory for the first time ever.

Fixed that for you.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Corbyn speaking now: He will basically tax the crap out of 'the rich' to spend on the poor.

Seems you cant be an achiever without getting hammered under Corbyn. Im far from very very rich, but I do get paid well for my very hard work. And I'm fed up paying for the whinging lazy assholes who all voted to Brexit. Don't care about them at all now. I owe them nothing. They and Corbyn can do one.

Looks like I'll have to vote tory for the first time ever.

Is this post satire?

 

[rcoobc]

Corbyn speaking now: He will basically tax the crap out of 'the rich' to spend on the poor.

Seems you cant be an achiever without getting hammered under Corbyn. Im far from very very rich, but I do get paid well for my very hard work. And I'm fed up paying for the whinging lazy assholes who all voted to Brexit. Don't care about them at all now. I owe them nothing. They and Corbyn can do one.

Looks like I'll have to vote tory for the first time ever.

Vote Lib Dem! They are generally a "financially sensible" party, unlike Labour

 

[sammsky1]

Is this post satire?

no. not at all. Why?

 

[Sweet Square]

Just a quick reminder to all you Lib Dem voters

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[montpelier]

Indeed

David Milliband works for a charity that ostensibly helps deprived children. He takes a $600K a year salary, and another $300K to pay for his Manhattan apartment.

When you work for a charity, every penny you take in wages is one less penny for the people you are supposed to be helping. It is clear where his priorities are, or does anyone think he really needs a Manhattan apartment?

My neighbour volunteers for a city centre homeless charity - they seem to have more (inept & clueless & lazy & bullshitting) paid workers than 'clients' these days - she is a formidable old stick with a heart of gold who helped set the thing up in the first place, she isn't impressed to say the least but seems to be the way of things in the Charity set ups these days.

 

[sammsky1]

Vote Lib Dem! They are generally a "financially sensible" party, unlike Labour

Will defo have a very careful look at what they have to offer. But I really think Im done with labour. They are a complete mess, and Corbyn is a fool

 

[montpelier]

Go on meaning, change from their current position?

That's what I'm (unclearly) meaning, yes.

 

[Sweet Square]

But I really think Im done with labour. They are a complete mess, and Corbyn is a fool

To be fair a tory would say that.

 

[NinjaFletch]

no. not at all. Why?

So you're going to vote for the party of Brexit to punish people who voted for Brexit?

And you don't think there's a bit of a problem with it.

 

[Silva]

Corbyn speaking now: He will basically tax the crap out of 'the rich' to spend on 'the poor'.

There are no poor people in the UK, and they get everything anyway.

Seems you cant be an achiever without getting hammered under Corbyn. Im far from very very rich, but I do get paid well for my very hard work. And I'm fed up paying for the whinging lazy assholes who all voted to Brexit. Don't care about them at all now. I owe them nothing. They and Corbyn can do one.

Looks like I'll have to vote tory for the first time ever.

Aaaaand, there goes your lefty card. Also, the unemployment figures re fairly low, so shove the lazy whinging assholes crap back up the hole you pulled them from.

 

[altodevil]

Will defo have a very careful look at what they have to offer. But I really think Im done with labour. They are a complete mess, and Corbyn is a fool

I'm more worried money-wise under a hard-brexit government. But neither Farron nor Corbyn offer much in terms of financial reliability.

 

[Ubik]

So you're going to vote for the party of Brexit to punish people who voted for Brexit?

And you don't think there's a bit of a problem with it.

This is the thing though. I imagine sammsky's thoughts will be shared by plenty of voters, bypassing the LDs (or UKIP) entirely and heading straight for the Tories for the first time in their life. If Copeland is repeated across the country, Labour are on about 150 seats.

 

[rcoobc]

Will defo have a very careful look at what they have to offer. But I really think Im done with labour. They are a complete mess, and Corbyn is a fool

To be fair, if you are an additional rate tax payer, then a vote for the tories for selfish personal reasons is a no-brainer. If you are only a higher rate tax payer, then there wouldn't be any difference between Lib Dems and Tories.

If you care more about the general financial well-being of the country

The Liberal Democrats have been more transparent about their overall fiscal plans through to 2017–18 and are aiming for a tightening that is larger than Labour’s but smaller than the Conservatives’, at 3.9% of national income.

As the Liberal Democrats have acknowledged in their manifesto, their plans would require £12 billion of cuts to unprotected departments. Their plans are predicated on two other optimistic claims. First, the vast majority of their planned cut to social security spending is to come from their ambition to reduce fraud and error in the system and to get better at helping benefit recipients back into work. Second, they wish to raise £10 billion by the end of the parliament from largely unspecified and highly uncertain measures to reduce tax avoidance and evasion. This is twice as much as the Conservatives, and a third more than Labour, expect to raise from such measures.

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7726

 

[Kag]

Corbyn speaking now: He will basically tax the crap out of 'the rich' to spend on 'the poor'.

There are no poor people in the UK, and they get everything anyway.

Seems you cant be an achiever without getting hammered under Corbyn. Im far from very very rich, but I do get paid well for my very hard work. And I'm fed up paying for the whinging lazy assholes who all voted to Brexit. Don't care about them at all now. I owe them nothing. They and Corbyn can do one.

Looks like I'll have to vote tory for the first time ever.

This is why the Tories win. It's depressing.

 

[Unmutual]

My neighbour volunteers for a city centre homeless charity - they seem to have more (inept & clueless & lazy & bullshitting) paid workers than 'clients' these days - she is a formidable old stick with a heart of gold who helped set the thing up in the first place, she isn't impressed to say the least but seems to be the way of things in the Charity set ups these days.

Nonsense. People only believe this stuff as a result of the Daily Mail's years long vendetta against the charity sector.