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If he just kisses the Real Madrid badge on his shirt, they will start cheering for him.
Their team is in a good position to win the double and that's what they're doing? Terrible!
If he just kisses the Real Madrid badge on his shirt, they will start cheering for him.
Completely agree. League + CL is basically best in Europe status.I didn't claim it is flat out hollow, I said "there's a certain kind of 'hollowness" to it. This is because winning the European Cup should mean that you're the best team in Europe and you can't claim that if you don't win your own domestic league as well.
I'm not saying that it isn't a great achievement.
Curious to know what you make of a league champion that doesn't win the domestic Cup. If you win a domestic Cup (like the FA Cup), you should by your own logic, be the best team in the land. Same for the league of course. So, err, does missing on one make the other "hollow" or "sort of hollow"?
What Cassidy said.Winning the domestic cup doesn't come with the title of being the best team in the land
Nothing comes with an assurance or a certainty. These "titles" are bestowed by the media; the league certainly doesn't hand out anything more than the winner's trophy proclaiming the team "the league winners". These are all different competitions and different formats. For example, this season, Real will most likely win the league and could also win the CL, but Barca won the Supercopa, have the better H2H and will probably also win the Copa del Rey. Who would you rate as "the best team in the land"? The fact is that the league crowns the most consistent team in the land and the "best" etc. is highly subjective.Winning the domestic cup doesn't come with the title of being the best team in the land
Does any club value any league title more than the CL?Nothing comes with an assurance or a certainty. These "titles" are bestowed by the media; the league certainly doesn't hand out anything more than the winner's trophy proclaiming the team "the league winners". These are all different competitions and different formats. For example, this season, Real will most likely win the league and could also win the CL, but Barca won the Supercopa, have the better H2H and will probably also win the Copa del Rey. Who would you rate as "the best team in the land"? The fact is that the league crowns the most consistent team in the land and the "best" etc. is highly subjective.
E.g. a team could potentially lose out to the teams in second and third both home and away and still walk away with the league title. Not too fanciful if they're just consistent against the lesser lights. They could then follow this up by losing the domestic Cup to one of those teams too. Now, who's "better"? Is "consistency" better? Or H2H? So I don't see why we should start thinking of "hollowness" or wins etc. The CL is the most prestigious competition in European football for a reason... let's not try to lessen it, eh?
Also, you're missing a very important point. Real and Madridistas live for the CL. For them, the league title is not as high as the CL in their priorities for the season. This is the tournament that the club values above all else and nothing - not even losing the league title to Atleti or Barca - can take away the slightest bit of sheen from a CL crown.
Not to my mind - but @Kinsella has implied that winning the CL without the league title gives it "a certain kind of hollowness".Does any club value any league title more than the CL?
I said nothing of the sort, you got the wrong guy mate.Not to my mind - but @Cassidy has implied that winning the CL without the league title gives it "a certain kind of hollowness".
Also, while all clubs may value the CL higher, I think Real just value it far more than any other club's supporters. They've won it a lot more times than others, but somehow that only seems to increase the desire for the CL trophy above all others.
Didn't mean to imply that others don't, but that Real value it more than any other club...
The league title and the CL go hand in hand. Until 1992 you wouldn't even get to play in the European Cup if you didn't win the title in your country. Rules might have changed, in order to allow rich teams to play in the Champions League even while not being champions, but the overall meaning of the Domestic League + European Cup duology still exists for many many fans.Nothing comes with an assurance or a certainty. These "titles" are bestowed by the media; the league certainly doesn't hand out anything more than the winner's trophy proclaiming the team "the league winners". These are all different competitions and different formats. For example, this season, Real will most likely win the league and could also win the CL, but Barca won the Supercopa, have the better H2H and will probably also win the Copa del Rey. Who would you rate as "the best team in the land"? The fact is that the league crowns the most consistent team in the land and the "best" etc. is highly subjective.
E.g. a team could potentially lose out to the teams in second and third both home and away and still walk away with the league title. Not too fanciful if they're just consistent against the lesser lights. They could then follow this up by losing the domestic Cup to one of those teams too. Now, who's "better"? Is "consistency" better? Or H2H? So I don't see why we should start thinking of "hollowness" or wins etc. The CL is the most prestigious competition in European football for a reason... let's not try to lessen it, eh?
Also, you're missing a very important point. Real and Madridistas live for the CL. For them, the league title is not as high as the CL in their priorities for the season. This is the tournament that the club values above all else and nothing - not even losing the league title to Atleti or Barca - can take away the slightest bit of sheen from a CL crown.
Other than scoring two Hattricks in the last two cl matches. Terrible indeed.If he just kisses the Real Madrid badge on his shirt, they will start cheering for him.
Their team is in a good position to win the double and that's what they're doing? Terrible!
Sorry. Fixed that. Made the error as you'd sort of supported the point but yeah, should have re-read the original post on that matter before posting.I said nothing of the sort, you got the wrong guy mate.
A fair fee imo.And to think we sold him for a measly £80 million to those shit stains....
In hindsight that was a really low price for what RM got. Back then it seemed like a fair price and a good deal but knowing what we know now, he was easily worth twice that price.A fair fee imo.
We have to look at the fee in the context of the market back then, 80m (cash up front) was an extraordinary offer. Obviously, knowing what we know today even 150m would have been "cheap".And to think we sold him for a measly £80 million to those shit stains....
Thks for that mate. Nothing like going to Alvalade in the morning just to spoil the rest of your weekend@Sly, I think you'll like thisand it might take your mind off Sporting for a bit
It contains Cristiano casually catching the subway with Quaresma, him calling a PlayStation expensive, watching 9-11 and saying he couldn't believe he was playing alongside the likes of Pedro Barbosa and Rui Bento. It's surreal looking back at this
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It isnt. No wonder you are a newbie.This is fecking genius
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I actually think he did. That offside call was bogus, IMO.Didn't score today, not a big game player
It was a joke "in before the Ronaldo haters" style.I actually think he did. That offside call was bogus, IMO.
He doesn't dribble though.Juventus get ready
Oh yes, I realized it was.It was a joke "in before the Ronaldo haters" style.