Manchester City under Pep Guardiola | Pep on City v Liverpool ref: "He likes to be special"

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There's no other option. If the FA want to improve the situation, they will have to introduce a way for the B teams for some teams to be able to play in professional competitions.
It's shitty for some clubs but the FA will have to decide what's more important to them.
 

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City are still frontrunners to win next season, especially since City can write blank checks and the Pep factor....

They get the brazilian GK, Grimaldo at LB and aurier at RB, and sanchez or isco.

Problem for Pep is the midfield. There isn't a huge market available for Pep. With Gundogan consistently injury record and yaya off the books. Pep going to need 2 new guys at least in the midfield. Also, I wouldnt be surprised if KDB got sold this summer or the next
That's the silliest thing I've heard all week, and it's Saturday so I've heard some ridiculous stuff.
 

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People have been saying City are the front runners every year for about half a decade now.
Every year we keep getting told they have the strongest squad. The bookies already have them as favourites for next season. Amazing really seeing as they need about 5 more players to challenge & nobody has any idea who they are going to sign yet.
 

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Zabs announced he's leaving. 9 years and never gave less than 100%. Looks like the clear out is going to be severe. Kind of the end of an era with zabs, hart, Yaya likely on their way.
 

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Zabs announced he's leaving. 9 years and never gave less than 100%. Looks like the clear out is going to be severe. Kind of the end of an era with zabs, hart, Yaya likely on their way.
Joint longest serving outfield player for you from your current squad along with Kompany. Good going that.
 

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Zabs announced he's leaving. 9 years and never gave less than 100%. Looks like the clear out is going to be severe. Kind of the end of an era with zabs, hart, Yaya likely on their way.
And it's the right decision. They've given years of fantastic service but now is the right time to move on.
 

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Because he's a chequebook manager. Maybe more City fans will start to realise this.
Or perhaps overzealous critics might actually read beyond the headline to understand the issue

Chequebook manager, would be funny if it weren't so ridiculously uninformed - not sure there is a high profile coach who has brought along more youth players over a similar period of time than Guardiola
 

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Or perhaps overzealous critics might actually read beyond the headline to understand the issue

Chequebook manager, would be funny if it weren't so ridiculously uninformed - not sure there is a high profile coach who has brought along more youth players over a similar period of time than Guardiola
Who all? Pedro, Busquets, Thiago and?
 

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Who all? Pedro, Busquets, Thiago and?
Kimmich, Costa, and Coman got more playtime and looked better under him than now with Ancelotti. Pep got the best of their young careers out of them. Kimmich probably wouldn't have played at all if he'd joined us this season and hadn't had the chance to show his potential under Pep.
 

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Kimmich, Costa, and Coman got more playtime and looked better under him than now with Ancelotti. Pep got the best of their young careers out of them. Kimmich probably wouldn't have played at all if he'd joined us this season and hadn't had the chance to show his potential under Pep.
I'm talking about young players from academy, not someone who was signed.
 

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Who all? Pedro, Busquets, Thiago and?
Along with Pique, Muniesa, Jeffren, Fontas, Dos Santos, Soriano, Bartra, Tello, Deulofeu, Romeu, Nolito, Montoya, Sergi Roberto, Rafinha, Cuenca, Kimmich - in total, 24 players debuted Under Pep prior to arriving at City
 

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Kimmich, Costa, and Coman got more playtime and looked better under him than now with Ancelotti. Pep got the best of their young careers out of them. Kimmich probably wouldn't have played at all if he'd joined us this season and hadn't had the chance to show his potential under Pep.
You could conceivably add Hojberg to that list as well although his development derailed for reasons outside of football
 

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Kimmich, Costa, and Coman got more playtime and looked better under him than now with Ancelotti. Pep got the best of their young careers out of them. Kimmich probably wouldn't have played at all if he'd joined us this season and hadn't had the chance to show his potential under Pep.
Costa was 25. Hardly someone I would class as young talent.

He'd probably be pissing about this season under Pep too looking for a new contract.
 

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Along with Pique, Muniesa, Jeffren, Fontas, Dos Santos, Soriano, Bartra, Tello, Deulofeu, Romeu, Nolito, Montoya, Sergi Roberto, Rafinha, Cuenca, Kimmich - in total, 24 players debuted Under Pep prior to arriving at City
Pique played for ManUtd senior team before playing for Barca, same with Kimmich. He played for Leipzig. Your definition must be very broad to include every player.

Nolito was 20 when he made his debut for Ejica. How does that even count as promoting young player from academy? Most of the players you mentioned barely played for Barca, must have played around 100 mins in some meaningless games and many of them you named aren't even Barca/Bayern academy products, they were young players who were signed. Few of them aren't even young.
 

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Pique played for ManUtd senior team before playing for Barca, same with Kimmich. He played for Leipzig. Your definition must be very broad to include every player.

Nolito was 20 when he made his debut for Ejica. How does that even count as promoting young player from academy? Most of the players you mentioned barely played for Barca, must have played around 100 mins in some meaningless games and many of them you named aren't even Barca/Bayern academy products, they were young players who were signed. Few of them aren't even young.
It's called delusion.
 

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It's called delusion.
It's fun.

Going by his type of list,

Van Gaal at ManUtd:

Janko, Shaw, Wilson, Pereira, McNair, Januzaj, Blackett, Powell, Reece James,Keane, Lingard, Vermijl, Fosu Mensah, Rashford, Riley, CBJ, Love, Varela, Will Keane,


Jose at Madrid,
Alex Fernandez, Morata, Sarabia, Canales, Nacho Fernandez, Joselu, Juankar, Mejias, Juanfran, Jese, Pacheo, Varane, Pedro Mendes, Casado, Jose Rodfiguez, Fabinho, Llorente, Mascarell, Casemiro, Cheryshev, Jesus Fernandez

This is excluding oung players like Granero, Ozil, Di Maria.
 

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Or perhaps overzealous critics might actually read beyond the headline to understand the issue

Chequebook manager, would be funny if it weren't so ridiculously uninformed - not sure there is a high profile coach who has brought along more youth players over a similar period of time than Guardiola
Read it and he is getting his excuses in early. Instead of giving chances to the like Maffeo and Toisin he preferred to play Kolarov at CB and Navas fullback. You can't deny the amount of money he has spent and he will continue to do so.
 

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Pique played for ManUtd senior team before playing for Barca, same with Kimmich. He played for Leipzig. Your definition must be very broad to include every player.
Was Pique or Kimmich a regular much less starter? No. Kimmich wasn't even deployed in the same position as he was at Leipzig. Moreover, I didn't define anything other than to say Pep brings along youth players more than any other coach at a similar level, perhaps your requirements are too narrow since these are all Young players being discussed


Nolito was 20 when he made his debut for Ejica. How does that even count as promoting young player from academy?
You are the one who keeps framing a narrower set of parameters - Ejica was a 3rd division side, not sure how you think that equates to being brought along as a youth player


Most of the players you mentioned barely played for Barca, must have played around 100 mins in some meaningless games and many of them you named aren't even Barca/Bayern academy products, they were young players who were signed. Few of them aren't even young.
Most of those players have gone on to Professional first team careers, ergo being brought along, i.e. developed. Troll along, there will be other opportunities to try & critique Pep
 

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Was Pique or Kimmich a regular much less starter? No. Kimmich wasn't even deployed in the same position as he was at Leipzig. Moreover, I didn't define anything other than to say Pep brings along youth players more than any other coach at a similar level, perhaps your requirements are too narrow since these are all Young players being discussed

You are the one who keeps framing a narrower set of parameters - Ejica was a 3rd division side, not sure how you think that equates to being brought along as a youth player

Most of those players have gone on to Professional first team careers, ergo being brought along, i.e. developed. Troll along, there will be other opportunities to try & critique Pep
Troll? Maybe if you take your head out of Pep's arse then you can make some sense.

Pique played full season in La Liga on loan from ManUtd, saying Pep brought him along is nonsense.

Going by your logic, Jose has given more young players chance and that's not even counting his Chelsea second time..
 

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Read it and he is getting his excuses in early. Instead of giving chances to the like Maffeo and Toisin he preferred to play Kolarov at CB and Navas fullback. You can't deny the amount of money he has spent and he will continue to do so.
Tosin has looked like Bambi on Ice when given the chance. He has also been involved in a contract stand-off which has only just been resolved.
Maffeo has struggled to keep a place in Girona's team so with so much at stake (close CL qualification race) he just could not take the risk.

He is extremely frustrated that young players can not get meaningful experience from within a B Team against seasoned pros in a good sized stadium often facing a hostile atmosphere.
It would benefit the National game as a whole if B Teams were introduced to the EFL structure.
 

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Pep: "the English system fails to adequately prepare academy players for the pressures of first team football."

I give you Marcus Rashford.

(In all seriousness though, I've always liked the idea of B teams.)
 

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Tosin has looked like Bambi on Ice when given the chance. He has also been involved in a contract stand-off which has only just been resolved.
Maffeo has struggled to keep a place in Girona's team so with so much at stake (close CL qualification race) he just could not take the risk.

He is extremely frustrated that young players can not get meaningful experience from within a B Team against seasoned pros in a good sized stadium often facing a hostile atmosphere.
It would benefit the National game as a whole if B Teams were introduced to the EFL structure.
I can't see it ever happening in England. The football league clubs would never vote for it and they hold the cards in England mores than lower division clubs in other countries.

What needs to happen is for the Reserve league or Premier League 2 (or whatever we're calling it now) to become a more viable product with more interest and better attendances. Cricket has a very successful second format of the game in 2020 and the PL perhaps need to be a bit more creative in making this popular.

e.g
Free to air coverage
Trial rule changes such as video referees and sin-binning
Penalties in the event of a draw
Alcohol in the stadiums (not sure if rules can be relaxed around this)
Attract 'legends' that never played in England to come and play a few games
Perhaps play the season in the summer whilst there is no other domestic football
 

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Or perhaps overzealous critics might actually read beyond the headline to understand the issue

Chequebook manager, would be funny if it weren't so ridiculously uninformed - not sure there is a high profile coach who has brought along more youth players over a similar period of time than Guardiola
How more do we allow him to clinge to his barca days. Are we allowed to move forward. He has promoted sh*t all this season but yes let us all close our eyes and act that never happened. He has spent more than jose and yet only jose faces the wrath about spending but pep is a saint so let us close our mouth and not blame him.

Ita getting ridiculous the amount of free pass he gets compared to jose. Only klopp beats him to the media love and less said about that freak the better.
 

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Yeah, probably something like that. Or he hasn't been perfect, just near perfect.
He's the founder of the church of Pepism. He can do no wrong. Spreading the word of tiki taka and full backs playing as cbs
 

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C'mon now.. Pep has never played and never will play tiki-taka. He actually hates it, couse it means possession for the sake of it. All the possession Guardiola teams had is a consequence (not the purpose) of his POSITIONAL PLAY. This is his style, this is his philosophy, this is his idea of how to play football. Just google it and lets this tiki taka bullshit ends once and for all, PLEASE.
 

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C'mon now.. Pep has never played and never will play tiki-taka. He actually hates it, couse it means possession for the sake of it. All the possession Guardiola teams had is a consequence (not the purpose) of his POSITIONAL PLAY. This is his style, this is his philosophy, this is his idea of how to play football. Just google it and lets this tiki taka bullshit ends once and for all, PLEASE.
I don't think i care. I was just messing with Ban. No need to get all worked up :lol:
 

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Pep should have stayed out from EPL. Culture wise, it's the antithesis of his brand of football. He might have bitten more than he can chew here.
 

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Pep should have stayed out from EPL. Culture wise, it's the antithesis of his brand of football. He might have bitten more than he can chew here.
He's had a season to see it first hand now, so next season will be key for him. If it's showing no improvement then his ability to adapt will be in question. Mourinho is evidence we shouldn't judge league form in the first season, given we know he's had success here previously and still managed to find it tough.
 

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C'mon now.. Pep has never played and never will play tiki-taka. He actually hates it, couse it means possession for the sake of it. All the possession Guardiola teams had is a consequence (not the purpose) of his POSITIONAL PLAY. This is his style, this is his philosophy, this is his idea of how to play football. Just google it and lets this tiki taka bullshit ends once and for all, PLEASE.
Pep actually does play tiki-taka and the term was coined precisely to describe how is Barcelona team played. He just doesnt like the term as it became associated with the low scoring spanish NT and the idea of possession for the sake of possession. Guardiola entire football philosophy can be traced all the way back to Rinus Michels total football from when he coached barcelona in the 1970s.
 

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Troll? Maybe if you take your head out of Pep's arse then you can make some sense.

Pique played full season in La Liga on loan from ManUtd, saying Pep brought him along is nonsense.

Going by your logic, Jose has given more young players chance and that's not even counting his Chelsea second time..
Pique was a bench player - he played more on loan at Zaragoza (As a DM), if that's being brought along then Mou has a great history with youth development
 

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Pique was a bench player - he played more on loan at Zaragoza (As a DM), if that's being brought along then Mou has a great history with youth development
Ofcourse Pique was bench player as he was behind Vidic and Rio in the pecking order.

Pique and Milito played as CBs and I remember reading a lot about it. He played as DM but also as CB alongside Milito. At ManUtd Pique played enough games to qualify for PL medal, he started in CL and scored too.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/gerrard-pique.150085/

Btw, that record for Jose is just at Madrid, I haven't included ManUtd, Chelsea (2nd time) and Inter.
 

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In today football world, I think it is time to admit that Pep and Jose are not special anymore, there are some new names that are doing good jobs then them.

If we want to talk about managers who are doing well with young players, I'll not consider Pep Guardiola but managers like Jardim, Tuchel and Pocchetino!

Anything that Pep and Jose have done must be count in the past as now everything is set on zero, they have most to prove now.