80mn for real reserve, no thank you, i would rather add 30-40 more and try and get kane, atleast we will be buying proven quality.
Álvaro Morata | Chelsea player
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Think about it. Why the feck would chelsea want to sell him in january, in the middle of the season, they're fighting for the title?
By all reports, Diego Costa truly has been a grade-A cnut at chelsea. As in, every training session that doesn't involve him fighting 3 teammates and the manager is a win...
Don't think Mou will want to rehash that either...
Let's keep this on topic and take the Costa chat to another thread.
Assuming he's joining us. Some bits about Alvaro Morata.
Evra: Morata..
"Alvaro plays unbelievably well in the Champions League but it has been more difficult for him in Serie A, where it is more tactical," Patrice Evra, his teammate at Juve told me last year. "He needs space, but his finishing is brilliant, he can be strong when he wants, he's powerful. He can run over distance and in short bursts. He's got a great future ahead of him."
Morata a confidence player?
"Evra added that Morata is a confidence player: "Sometimes before the game he said to me: 'Patrice, tell me something. When you tell me something I feel confident and I score.' I would tell him that he's the best; that he can score, that it depends on him and not what I say to him. He's a good lad, I like him."
http://www.espnfc.com/club/manchest...lvaro-morata-but-signing-him-will-not-be-easy
Evra: Morata..
"Alvaro plays unbelievably well in the Champions League but it has been more difficult for him in Serie A, where it is more tactical," Patrice Evra, his teammate at Juve told me last year. "He needs space, but his finishing is brilliant, he can be strong when he wants, he's powerful. He can run over distance and in short bursts. He's got a great future ahead of him."
Morata a confidence player?
"Evra added that Morata is a confidence player: "Sometimes before the game he said to me: 'Patrice, tell me something. When you tell me something I feel confident and I score.' I would tell him that he's the best; that he can score, that it depends on him and not what I say to him. He's a good lad, I like him."
http://www.espnfc.com/club/manchest...lvaro-morata-but-signing-him-will-not-be-easy
Mourinho and Morata.
In one particular feisty press conference after Morata had scored the winner and Spanish journalists had questioned why he was not playing more Mourinho said: 'The one who gave him his debut? That was me.
'The one who made sure he was part of the pre-season tour three years running? That was me. The one that made sure he did not leave the club? That was me. The one who told the club they should give him a first-team contract? That was also me.'
He also picked him in a Clasico at the Bernabeu in 2013, playing him on the left of the three players behind lone striker Karim Benzema. He set-up Madrid's first goal and played the full 90 minutes.
Morata was just 20 at the time and had Mourinho not left Real Madrid at the end of the season his education under the Portuguese coach might have continued.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...get-Morata-Mourinho-s-unfinished-project.html
Interesting, sounds just like what Mourinho did with Rashford last season.
In one particular feisty press conference after Morata had scored the winner and Spanish journalists had questioned why he was not playing more Mourinho said: 'The one who gave him his debut? That was me.
'The one who made sure he was part of the pre-season tour three years running? That was me. The one that made sure he did not leave the club? That was me. The one who told the club they should give him a first-team contract? That was also me.'
He also picked him in a Clasico at the Bernabeu in 2013, playing him on the left of the three players behind lone striker Karim Benzema. He set-up Madrid's first goal and played the full 90 minutes.
Morata was just 20 at the time and had Mourinho not left Real Madrid at the end of the season his education under the Portuguese coach might have continued.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...get-Morata-Mourinho-s-unfinished-project.html
Interesting, sounds just like what Mourinho did with Rashford last season.Kane is basically unobtainable at this point.
Even morata is in love with Evra. Evra could just motivate anyone.
Apparently just started following a bunch of United players on twitter or Insta or something?
He follows 1000 people on instagram, entire United Spanish contigent + Rooney, Ibra, Pogba, Januzaj(?).
Not sure when he started following them though.
Just means if we sign Morata we need to bring Evra back to the club as well
Difficult but not impossible, ofcourse it will mean paying over the odds but kane is on below 150k give him ibra's contract and i highly doubt he can say no to that.
Kane's salary would not be the problem, negotiating with Daniel Levy would be the sticking point. On Morata, if Real do not accept our rumoured 60M offer then I'm not so sure I would go higher than that. But there's not a wealth of options out there right now, and it does look like we are going to overpay on any deals this Summer.
Just replying because I want the Express to quote me.
Another mentally weak player like Mkhit?
Just we? I'd say that's the market and we need to accept it. It's not overpaying if everyone is paying similar amounts! For the record, this is the market that's seeing van Dijk priced at 70 Mn GBP! That's practically insane given the past, but this is what the new deals have implied. Belotti for 90 Mn GBP? In this market, Kane would cost well over 150 Mn (easily) and even then, I don't see Levy spending. Also, when it comes to quality forwards, there are almost none available right now. All the best ones are settled and not moving - or are Mbappe. The only ones even remotely likely to move are Belotti, Morata and now Costa. Given how much of a liability Costa can be, that leaves just Morata and Belotti. Who else could we even hope to go for?
James Robson in the MEN says "Woodward is exploring the possibility of a bid"
So he got the list 3 months ago and is still staring at the list wondering what to do?
So he got the list 3 months ago and is still staring at the list wondering what to do?
I like how he's taken the tired old "preparing a bid" line and reworded it. Very good journalism to keep things fresh.
Or maybe another human being who just wants to listen to Evra all the time
. Oh Patrice..MEN are fecking hopeless. Ignore them.
I've seen loads of negativity (and in fairness, plenty of positivity) surrounding this transfer.
Some of the negativity surrounding the transfer is that he couldn't displace Benzema at Real Madrid despite Benzema having a poor season. More is looking at his impressive goals to games ratio and saying he didn't do it against big teams. A couple have said things like "People are looking at that ratio and claiming he's the next van Nistelrooy, and he couldn't even get in the team ahead of Benzema".
Nobody is claiming he's the next van Nistelrooy, but seeing as we could be signing Morata at 24 and we signed van Nistelrooy at a similar age, it might be worth having a little comparison. In the three seasons before we signed him, van Nistelrooy had scored an outrageous 62 in 67 games. Obviously, Morata's stats pale in comparison.
But Morata has played his club football in Spain and Italy. Not Holland. He has scored regularly when given a chance. If he was leading the line for say, Ajax now, how many would he have scored in the last few seasons? I'd wager a lot more than the 20 he got.
The other argument is that he failed to displace Benzema, despite Benzema having a poor season. Madrid don't depend solely on Benzema for goals and he has done enough in previous years to warrant his chance to keep his place. How long did we look at a sub par Rooney, based on past performances. It happens.
I'm not saying Morata is the next RVN or that he's going to be a 30 goal a season striker for us, but I am saying that he could be. He seems to have all the tools and if we get the right players around him, he may well tun out to be that 30 goal a season striker that we need.
Some of the negativity surrounding the transfer is that he couldn't displace Benzema at Real Madrid despite Benzema having a poor season. More is looking at his impressive goals to games ratio and saying he didn't do it against big teams. A couple have said things like "People are looking at that ratio and claiming he's the next van Nistelrooy, and he couldn't even get in the team ahead of Benzema".
Nobody is claiming he's the next van Nistelrooy, but seeing as we could be signing Morata at 24 and we signed van Nistelrooy at a similar age, it might be worth having a little comparison. In the three seasons before we signed him, van Nistelrooy had scored an outrageous 62 in 67 games. Obviously, Morata's stats pale in comparison.
But Morata has played his club football in Spain and Italy. Not Holland. He has scored regularly when given a chance. If he was leading the line for say, Ajax now, how many would he have scored in the last few seasons? I'd wager a lot more than the 20 he got.
The other argument is that he failed to displace Benzema, despite Benzema having a poor season. Madrid don't depend solely on Benzema for goals and he has done enough in previous years to warrant his chance to keep his place. How long did we look at a sub par Rooney, based on past performances. It happens.
I'm not saying Morata is the next RVN or that he's going to be a 30 goal a season striker for us, but I am saying that he could be. He seems to have all the tools and if we get the right players around him, he may well tun out to be that 30 goal a season striker that we need.
Never been a fan of Morata, but if Mourinho thinks he is ideal for United then i guess i have to trust him. He was spot on with the transfers last year and put more thought in the buys than Moyes and van Gaal.
My worry would be he would say "only god knows" next summer, when asked about re-joining Real Madrid after having a great season with us.
/Chilling down muppet mode.
My worry would be he would say "only god knows" next summer, when asked about re-joining Real Madrid after having a great season with us.
/Chilling down muppet mode.
@RexHamilton I don't see any similarities between Morata and RvN to be fair. Maybe being excellent in the air but that's it. Morata strengths are elsewhere and he's not the finisher or the fox in the box RvN is.
I doubt Morata can be a 30 goals striker for us. Doesn't look as that type.
I'd imagine by 30 goals per season you mean all comps? Because in Premiership in the last 15 years only 4 players have hit 30 or more goals in the league - Ronaldo, Henry, RvP and Suarez. Don't think Morata is close to either of them when it comes to goals or finishing.
I doubt Morata can be a 30 goals striker for us. Doesn't look as that type.
I'd imagine by 30 goals per season you mean all comps? Because in Premiership in the last 15 years only 4 players have hit 30 or more goals in the league - Ronaldo, Henry, RvP and Suarez. Don't think Morata is close to either of them when it comes to goals or finishing.
This has possibly been posted somewhere but anyway..
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Rashford is growing up very quickly, sensible head on his shoulders. He answered that very expertly. Didn't talk about Morata, just gave the classic "we welcome big players" line.
That might be the most meaningless sentence I have ever read. Spectacular stuff from Robson there.
Pretty standard generic reply from rashford. Must have been briefed beforehand to dodge those questions.
Or perhaps James Robson doesn't actually have a clue what's going on?
Which seems more likely to you?
All young players get media training, probably why most interviews are just cliche factories
Plus, arguably Kane if he plays for Real now he might be a "Real reserve" too.
Not very inspiring comments by uncle Pat. First I've seen them, and I must say, that's changed my opinion on this transfer a bit.
That is some impressive media-training he's had. He doesn't answer the question at all, and he shouldn't be answering United questions on England duty. He shouldn't be answering questions about other players' transfers at all. He gives the journo a whole lot of nothing. Good kid.
Yeah especially considering Rashford shouldn't have been the one selected for the interview anyway. Whatever genius put him forward should have realized that there would be non England related questions and transfer related questions and picked someone else instead. But fair play to Rashford, he gave them nothing.
Levy? Maybe we could let Kane do that for us.
You know, "hey harry, how you like 300Kpw and playing for a manager who actually wins things? Man United, yea it's Jose, thats him. Does sound interesting doesn't it. Look just have a word with that baldy nut case levy, will ya. Tell him you are not happy with it there and you are looking for a better offer with more money and make sure SSNHQ know too. will ya? You will. Cool. Cheers harry, thanks mate! whats that? Carrington, no, car ing ton. yea, yea just stick it in the sat nav you'll be grand. Cheers Harry"
"Oh harry, afore ya go. If anyone asks who was on the fone, say it was me "Klopp_De_Klown". They might not believe its me cause i didn't text. Ok? Cheers mate"
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To be fair to Morata for a 24 year old he has a pretty stunning record
2X La Liga
2X Seria A
2X Champions Leage (And 1 runners up)
2 Cups in Spain
1 Cup in Italy
U21 championship with Spain (where he was top scorer)
103 goals in 271 games for clubs
9 goals in 20 for spain
But I dont know what it is about him because he just does not excite me as a signing - yet I really don't like the though of him ending up at Chelsea or Arsenal as I can see him scoring for fun.
2X La Liga
2X Seria A
2X Champions Leage (And 1 runners up)
2 Cups in Spain
1 Cup in Italy
U21 championship with Spain (where he was top scorer)
103 goals in 271 games for clubs
9 goals in 20 for spain
But I dont know what it is about him because he just does not excite me as a signing - yet I really don't like the though of him ending up at Chelsea or Arsenal as I can see him scoring for fun.
Anyone who watches Real Madrid regularly knows why Benzema plays ahead of Morata. One sets up Ronaldo to score, the other looks to score himself.
Morata's quality shouldn't be in question. He will get the numbers, provided he wants to come here. I hope he realizes nobody other than Ronaldo will Real's chief goal-scorer for at least the next two years. Better to move on if you think you are good enough, especially to an almost equally big club which is in desperate need for a goal-scorer.
Morata's quality shouldn't be in question. He will get the numbers, provided he wants to come here. I hope he realizes nobody other than Ronaldo will Real's chief goal-scorer for at least the next two years. Better to move on if you think you are good enough, especially to an almost equally big club which is in desperate need for a goal-scorer.
So Mourinho says in the interview with Rio that he doesn't like/understand/work well with weak mentality players and uses it to bench the likes of Shaw and Martial but wants to sign Morata for a huge fee, who he would know has the same mentality issues? Yeah Mourinho is full of utter shit as usual.
Barca bought Umtiti for 25 mil €, Milan bought Musacchio for 18 mil € and Van Dijk is supppsed to cost 60 mil??
Florentino will take you to the cleaners.
Florentino will take you to the cleaners.
I'm not comparing their playing styles. I'm only comparing Morata's possible (hopeful) impact on the team. And I meant 30 goals in all competitions, yeah. Coming in and scoring 30 goals in his first season would be a very successful start.
The point I was making was, we seem to look for the negativity around a transfer unless we were going to sign Ronaldo or Messi. Mbapée is too young, Kane is too expensive, Lukaku's first touch is poor. Morata couldn't break into the Madrid's team ahead of Benzema.
Morata may or may not be a success if he signs for United, but I think we should give him the chance. If 24 year old Ruud was signing from PSV tomorrow we'd all be citing Dirk Kuyt and Depay, saying anyone can score in the Dutch league, he won't cut it in England. Morata is a 24 year old striker who's goals to games ratio in Spain last year was only bettered by Messi. That alone is enough to make me optimistic if he arrives.
So you know for a fact, more than Mourinho that has coached him, that Morata has mentality issues based on quotes from Evra?
He's a bit of a project, but he could end up being fantastic for us if used in the right role.
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