Yes, but I dont remember being so shocked by the size of any of the fee's. Keane, Cole, Veron, Ferdinand and Rooney were all massive fee's for the time, but they were still vagely proportionate.
Its still only a third of our annual revenue, which is only going to grow from here on in.
He'd want 515k in wages for starters. Then like every Barca and Real scrout will make a fuss every two or three years about increasing his wages.
Very much speculating but not entirely wild guess. They themselves cannot do anything once a party can pay the fees in full but they clearly state they do not want to lose Neymar. Why would La Liga, as an administration body, stand in the way of a buy-out if Barca was amenable to the sale? It's all politics and I can't believe Barca didn't say a word to the Li Liga in the midst of all this.
I was talking about before PSG came in. If we went in, he knew he wouldnt get close to that from us but I think he still would have interested to move cause he will be the main man here. Now no matter who comes in he wont go elsewhere.
Do take your points (all of them) and mostly agree. Thinking about it a bit more though I'm sure it would be difficult to distance him from his father which would have to happen if he joined us.
Pragmatically, it is impossible for most clubs to compete with ourselves, Munchen, Madrid and Barcelona and so they require accelerated investment from sugar daddy sponsorship.
A lot of the games are streamed like the Portuguese league, some games are showing on Univision as well, I did watch 1 or 2 Monaco games because at the time of United's interest of Silva. For the French league to succeed they need at least another strong team and they need to succeed in Europe, the fact PSG was humiliated by Barcelona didn't help at all.
I don't think he was remotely interested in joining us. He just used us for a new contract.
Liverpool's owner Henry reckoned release clauses are hard to legally enforce and said they took a risk on rejecting it. Some people were saying it was only a clause to 'inform player'. Suarez would have had to take the case to court, he didn't.
I would personally find it much more of an interesting challenge to propel the French league into the top tier of European football than to play second fiddle for a team that's won two trebles in 6 years. Whether that's possible or not, I dunno, but he already knows that anything he's achieved with Barcelona, they could achieve without him. That's not a very satisfying career for me.
Of course it's all politics but it's two entirely different actors. Barça doesn't have an interest in keeping a player that wants to go, even less so one of MSN that could cause a huge media stirr. Obviously they wanted to keep Neymar, but on the condition that he wants to stay and be 100% on board. Even if they wanted to keep him at all cost asking La Liga to block the transfer like they did on no grounds whatsoever is a losing battle altogether, so I doubt that.
I would have obviously loved to see Neymar at United, and I'm sure we've spoken with his camp on several occasions over the course of time (you can't tell me the player would have chosen PSG over United, all things being equal), but I'm also glad that the club didn't go down this road. While we've certainly spent big on many players, there has to be limits. I just don't think that such a massive financial commitment to a single player is worth it.
The rest is harder to get a reliable answer on. The Telegraph say the total income has gone up from £5.5 billion to £8.3 billion which is about a 52% increase ESPN are saying the new deal is £10.5 Billion which if the £5.5 Billion was right would mean the increase is nearer to 100% increase.
I'd like to think that we're up there when it comes to piss taken though!
What do you propose? How will you legislate what is the fair value of sponsorship?
He was lucky to get this move away from Barcelona though considering the buyout figure; you can bet if the anti-Qatar political situation wasn't occurring in the Middle East currently this transfer would not be happening, and he'd be stuck in Messi's shadow near-indefinitely. And even now that it has happened I fail to buy that in his dream of all dreams smashing a double hattrick against Amiens and leading PSG to a Ligue 1 title romp by 15 points was included.
That's because they don't have the same dates for example SFR got the rights recently. But either way in the last 7 years the increase is superior to 100%.
Indeed. Neymar is terrible value in financial terms. Only an oil club, an oil nation's plaything, with basically unlimited funds could be crazy enough to make this signing.
My talk about FFP was on the notion of the previous G-14 clubs, who had confidence from UEFA about it. It slightly worked for a while as clubs such as City and PSG had reigned in their spending. However, it seems over the past 18 months - 2 years, the oil rich boys don't give a toss about it and going on a mad spending spree.
Higuian was a knock on from the Pogba money, financed i part by the big TV deal..
Clubs with new owners already do get leeway, how do you think AC Milan have bought an entire new team this summer?
I worked for a company that specialised in sport sponsorship valuation - it's not an overly difficult process. The bulk of sponsorship value is media value, so they'll know in advance the ball park figure for the level of media exposure they'll be buying into, you can ask them to submit a comprehensive marketing plan to utilise that sponsorship and then you can come to some agreement on the intangible value it offers as an all-round package. Anything that falls outside the accepted range will be dismissed. Sports rightsholders, media owners and brands involved in the sponsorship process already pay significant sums of money to measure the value of their sponsorship, all you need to do is incorporate that into legislation.
Take the entire post into account, don't try to take parts of it.
City have got rid of about 8 big wage players so far this summer (almost 10 with Iheanacho and Fernando imminent), with another 6 or so soon to follow.
Ok, I'll give you that. Doesn't explain the other examples though.
The main problem I see is the inflated commercial deals. Instead of just pumping money they will buy the rights of the Stadium Name are things like that for crazy money. What could you do against this? There is no way to check what a free market actor would pay for it. If you want to estimate it you will get 10 estimates from 10 persons. There is other ways around this too.
Define individually, because the tv rights abroad are still sold collectively.
I mean to individual countries/regions. Still a collective PL TV deal, yes.
£8.5bn over 3 years is all TV rights for the Premier League.
If I know anything about PSG fans they'll just want him added to FIFA 2017 asap.
In terms of wages they would have got them off the books but in terms of actual paying of transfer fees. I don't think it would have made much, if any difference at all, as majority of their players were released rather than sold.
