Shooting in Las Vegas

RIP to the victims. Sickening but unfortunately not surprising. This type of thing will not stop in my lifetime based on how the 2nd amendment is viewed.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Am noticing a bit of a kerfuffle on twitter about the media being slow to label this as "terrorism". Do they have a point? My own take on is that you can't call something terrorism unless it's done to further a specific agenda. And until we know this agenda we can't call what's happening the act of a terrorist. Thoughts?
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Depends on what you mean.

The media yes. If the shooter was a Muslim then certain outlets would be falling over themselves to call it terrorism, and would also refuse to acknowledge it if authorities later concluded it was not. The definition of terrorism matters little in this context.

In terms of official designations then you're right, but I don't think they're ever quick to confirm whether they think it has a politically motivated aspect or not.
 
feck me, I just read this on the beeb and can't wrap my head around it.

Mental country.

The state of Nevada has some of the most permissive gun laws in the US. It is legal to carry an assault rifle and there is no magazine capacity limit. :eek::eek:

There are no purchase permits and blue cards are no longer required.

There is no waiting period mandated for firearm purchases and private gun sales are OK.
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Pogue Mahone said:
Am noticing a bit of a kerfuffle on twitter about the media being slow to label this as "terrorism". Do they have a point? My own take on is that you can't call something terrorism unless it's done to further a specific agenda. And until we know this agenda we can't call what's happening the act of a terrorist. Thoughts?
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I posted this earlier in the thread but since its Vegas it could be something as simple as a pissed off gambler.
 
Can a mod please delete. I just didn't see the other thread. Sorry.

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I just see this. Don't see the other thread in the CE forum. Something's wrong with my safari I guess..
 
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Rado_N said:
Same debate happens every time. But yes you're right that the motive is what determines whether it's a terrorist attack, although the media takes far less time to wait and find out when a certain profile of suspect is involved.
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This is true. Although they’re usually speculating from a fairly common sense position. When the perps are asian men shouting “Allah Akbar” it’s a reasonable assumption that we’re talking about Islamic extremists.

In this instance there seems to be an assumption among certain circles that he’s a right wing terrorist, presumably entirely on the basis that he’s white. Which is a bit of a stretch. I’d say it’s just as likely he’s mentally ill, a disgruntled ex-employee or someone who just lost his shirt in the casinos.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
This is true. Although they’re usually speculating from a fairly common sense position. When the perps are asian men shouting “Allah Akbar” it’s a safe bet that we’re talking about Islamic extremists.

In this instance there seems to be an assumption among certain circles that he’s a right wing terrorist, presumably entirely on the basis that he’s white. Which is a bit of a stretch. I’d say it’s just as likely it’s one of those situations where he’s mentally ill or a disgruntled ex-employee.
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White power people don't shoot up country music concerts, wrong demographic.
 
I don't get this urge to name everything terrorism. Terrorism has to have a political or social motive.
 
Santos J said:
This Paddock bloke is that Marylou's roommate apparently, but the Geary is from the looks of it her husband so everyone basically decided he was the shooter.
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Oh well.. that's citizen journalism for you. I hope the poor guy wasn't mobbed and beat up in the mean time.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
White power people don't shoot up country music concerts, wrong demographic.
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FlawlessThaw said:
Feck, he may end up being classed as a left wing Antifa nutjob.
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All of which makes it even more likely that this really is a "lone wolf" attack and not political or an act of terrorism at all. Some fecking head the ball whose life wasn't panning out the way he wanted so he retired to his hotel room with an assault rifle then felt the urge to take some people down with him before committing suicide by cop.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
This is true. Although they’re usually speculating from a fairly common sense position. When the perps are asian men shouting “Allah Akbar” it’s a reasonable assumption that we’re talking about Islamic extremists.

In this instance there seems to be an assumption among certain circles that he’s a right wing terrorist, presumably entirely on the basis that he’s white. Which is a bit of a stretch. I’d say it’s just as likely he’s mentally ill, a disgruntled ex-employee or someone who just lost his shirt in the casinos.
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That's certainly reasonable.

As for this attack, motive could be one of many things as you say.
 
With "over 200" currently classified as injured I think we can expect the number of dead to keep rising.
 
Blodssvik said:
30.06 bolt action rifle soft point bullet would also cause immense damage in the same situation, perhaps more death even, never mind semi auto. Need to restrict who can own weapons as well.
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Won't be a bad thing, that. A look at previous criminal records or something of that kind. But even more important would be some kind of inspection/periodical follow up on whether it is being kept responsible and safe manner by the owner.

I once saw a documentary on RT about the gun problem in US. While the was a lot of paperwork and stuff to buy a fresh one, the second hand market was alarmingly not so vigilant. The reporter managed to buy one from an individual who came to this expo/market thingy to sell, with minimum to no paperwork and that too with fake information.
 
Worst mass shooting in US history?
Nothing will happen and that's the worst part about this story.
 
Nothing will happen except a lot of "thoughts and prayers" and attacking people who (rightly) point to the gun issue for "politicising a tragedy".

Mass shootings ARE political whether you like it or not. They will only ever stop when something is done about the gun laws.
 
AN17 said:
Won't be a bad thing, that. A look at previous criminal records or something of that kind. But even more important would be some kind of inspection/periodical follow up on whether it is being kept responsible and safe manner by the owner.

I once saw a documentary on RT about the gun problem in US. While the was a lot of paperwork and stuff to buy a fresh one, the second hand market was alarmingly not so vigilant. The reporter managed to buy one from an individual who came to this expo/market thingy to sell, with minimum to no paperwork and that too with fake information.
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In Sweden it takes months to get license approved. I take back what I said though now that numbers have been updated. But you could still cause a lot of death even with a bolt action rifle.
 
Wont be surprised if the amount who died is well in the 100's.

Some of the audio, you can hear automatic fire last for minutes
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Interested to see how the NRA use this to sell more guns.

Disgraceful attitude, how the feck can it be legal to carry an assault rifle and no magazine capacity limit in Nevada? nuts.
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"The problem here was a lack of good guys with guns. If everyone in the crowd, the whole band, the man on reception and the hotel cleaning lady had been tooled up with assualt rifles, this tragedy never would have happened." Or something along those lines.
 
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