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Feel free to post stats, and of all the players.Do you mean that he individually did just enough, but suffered because the whole team was bad?
The way I saw it, he himself was also huge part of the problem too. Once again he gives the ball away very cheaply, even in times where he isnt exactly under threat.
We both watched the game right,Feel free to post stats, and of all the players.
Going toward the end with 1 defender, not many options to pass unless primarily passing backward.
We did alright structurally defensively until the goals. We go out open space in second half. Expected there would be too much space to cover, who would expect winning every ball when you have to cover for a CB being targeted with aerial ball and physical play?
He's a bloody DM, anyone thinking he was gonna win us the league is bonkers. He's also been burdened with the creativity in midfield, because Hererra seems to have only one one type of pass, and that is to hit it as hard as he can into open space and hope one of our quick players gets to it.I think it's starting to become clear his ability isn't so 'Oh my lord why did Chelsea sell him to us he's gonna win us the league and everything else'. A good player, but he has some very evident flaws. Not 100% buying into this whole 'he's tired' thing either.
He's a very good player, on his day he's great. He's better on the ball than a lot of people thought before he came here. Very good at breaking up play and to me I disagree, he's very comfortable on the ball and fine when pressed. In big games? We've played one big game all season which was at Liverpool.He's a good player. He's surprisingly tidy and nimble on the ball for somebody so tall, but he's not great when pressed and is extremely reliant on his left foot. In big games or games where we aren't in the ascendancy he has struggled.
Don't get me wrong, he's still been and is one of our better players, but it sort of ends there. He's just a good player.
This.Forced to play a role not suited to him because none of Mata, Mkhitaryan, Herrera or Lingard stepped up. He's not an attacking midfielder which is all today displayed. Dallied on the ball around the final third as he didn't know what to do with it and can't play a through ball in that type of congestion.
He's not inidually winnning us the league, but a puzzle piece in our best team to get us up there. Pogba injury just took away from the team.I think it's starting to become clear his ability isn't so 'Oh my lord why did Chelsea sell him to us he's gonna win us the league and everything else'. A good player, but he has some very evident flaws. Not 100% buying into this whole 'he's tired' thing either.
In possession, Huddlesfield cut the easy spreading to wing path well. In first half, the wide forward Martial was marked out of the game. Lingard couldn't keep width well. Huddlesfield forced us to go through the central which we're poor collectively as a team. Mata even at his best was not that good having men breathing at his back. Herrera Matic, even Carrick ain't gonna unlock this kind of compact central defensively shape (the game call for Pogba style of player. Other option is go long which we only have Lukaku. Fellaini can be a good help here. The first goal happened when Mata tactically felt the need to find some space for himself to get on the ball and get the passing going. He made mistake, but that's how good Huddlesfield defensively was.We both watched the game right,
Defensively he wasnt really bad, that one moment was stupid and he maybe got beaten easily later in the match but cant really blame him. But more in possession, dwelling on the ball unnecessary, poor passing and prime example of that was in the last seconds. Pass the ball to Young, and he takes so long and loses the ball.
How is playing the easy pass forwards worse for chasing results than taking long on the ball, and unneccessary lisk and losing possession, whilst the entire team is infront of you?He's not inidually winnning us the league, but a puzzle piece in our best team to get us up there. Pogba injury just took away from the team.
Chelsea can make do with more midfield solidity as they're letting more space and more goals in and it's making it more difficult for them to see out game.
In possession, Huddlesfield cut the easy spreading to wing path well. In first half, the wide forward Martial was marked out of the game. Lingard couldn't keep width well. Huddlesfield forced us to go through the central which we're poor collectively as a team. Mata even at his best was not that good having men breathing at his back. Herrera Matic, even Carrick ain't gonna unlock this kind of compact central defensively shape (the game call for Pogba style of player. Other option is go long which we only have Lukaku. Fellaini can be a good help here. The first goal happened when Mata tactically felt the need to find some space for himself to get on the ball and get the passing going. He made mistake, but that's how good Huddlesfield defensively was.
Your prime example is one of few mistake, and when the team didn't set up best for you to pass. If you remember LVG games, there were plenty of times players were instructed to keep the passing game going and even in the end when we need to have a go for it, they just pass back when being pressed. Jones, Rojo, Carrick, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Bastian, Blind ... all took part of this back pass regime. That would get you better passing stats, does it matter at that moment, chasing result?
You claimed you watched the game, and you can't remember your prime example? Go rewatch that. 2 players pressed him for the easy option to pass it side way. There was another bank of Huddlesfield players to prevent an easy quick forward on ground pass. What is your opinion on being possibility to pull off a great long ball in that situation, given several seconds before that many other player with so much time on the ball failed to get those ball in well enough?How is playing the easy pass forwards worse for chasing results than taking long on the ball, and unneccessary lisk and losing possession, whilst the entire team is infront of you?
I do remember that example, it is you that cant as at worst it was a diagonal pass to the right, in front of him. But it seems that you want to absolve any form of criticism of him, I'll leave it here. We will both see how the season will pan out.You claimed you watched the game, and you can't remember your prime example? Go rewatch that. 2 players pressed him for the easy option to pass it side way. There was another bank of Huddlesfield players to prevent an easy quick forward on ground pass. What is your opinion on being possibility to pull off a great long ball in that situation, given several seconds before that many other player with so much time on the ball failed to get those ball in well enough?
Edit: Fixed the above, I meant spreading the ball to wing, further up, which is crossing position. Sideway is same old unproductive in this momemnt as I explained in previous post.
Diagonal to the right? Go watch that again. The second bank of Huddlesfield pressers (from Matic position) was there checking on the passage to Valencia...I do remember that example, it is you that cant as at worst it was a diagonal pass to the right, in front of him. But it seems that you want to absolve any form of criticism of him, I'll leave it here. We will both see how the season will pan out.
He's tired and Herrera's forgotten how to be a midfielder. Read somewhere he's played 3 full games in 8 days. Not ideal when you're being asked to run midfield all by yourself, both offensively and defensively.
Funny you mentioned Carrick. If Carrick from those years was in the midfield, we would have looked 100x better. People are blaming Herrera for some weird reason even though Herrera was quickly moving ball forward every opportunity he got. Matic meanwhile, despite being solid defensively added nothing to our attack. Carrick was equally good in defense if not better, but had way more in his offensive arsenal compared to Matic.Reeks of carrick a few years ago when he played every game with partners like cleverly o shea.
That team also had Ronaldo and peak rooney though a luxury we currently don't have
I'm very disappointed with anders performances these last couple of weeks
That is because without Pogba he is being asked to do too much, he shouldn't have to be the one playing forward passes, Herrera should do that.Relentlessly kills any kind of tempo. I know it’s not his job and all but since he is a footballer who have gotten a lot of early season praise, it’s worth noting the limitations. Ah well...can do with a better partner.
I know it’s not his job and he is good at what is his ‘job’ but I find it difficult when footballers are branded so one dimensional these days. Like being a specialist means, you have to be really shit at the rest.That is because without Pogba he is being asked to do too much, he shouldn't have to be the one playing forward passes, Herrera should do that.
Oh wow...Funny you mentioned Carrick. If Carrick from those years was in the midfield, we would have looked 100x better. People are blaming Herrera for some weird reason even though Herrera was quickly moving ball forward every opportunity he got. Matic meanwhile, despite being solid defensively added nothing to our attack. Carrick was equally good in defense if not better, but had way more in his offensive arsenal compared to Matic.
Entire game it seemed like Matic was either passing sideways or hoofing ball forward poorly to no avail.
If we insist on playing Matic, we either need to pair him with Pogba who is creative enough to compensate for Matic or play two fullbacks aggressive fullbacks who can actually create chances, otherwise he seem to take much more away from the team's attack.
Carrick is another level, but even someone like Daily Blind, when he was used as center back, was much much better with ball than Matic is. He used to put really good through balls from the back. Matic with all that space and possession just doesn't seem to have the ability.
I think you were watching a different game too. He was a long fecking way from “really shit at the rest”.I know it’s not his job and he is good at what is his ‘job’ but I find it difficult when footballers are branded so one dimensional these days. Like being a specialist means, you have to be really shit at the rest.
Gotta agree with this. The amount of times Hererra would look at a wide player in acres of space and then turn and make a sideways or backwards pass...Oh wow...
Moving swiftly on from this madness it’s almost fecking heart-breaking watching Matic somehow be the only United midfielder a) capable of taking it past a player before releasing the ball and b) popping up where you need/expect him when the opposition are on the attack. Literally a one man show in the middle of the park.
Imagine we hadn’t signed him? Feck me. How atrocious would our season have turned out by now?
Hererra was absolutely pish again. Fellaini’s injury was a huge chance for a player we all want to succeed to nail down a place in the team. Don’t think he could have failed the audition harder if he tried. I think it might actually be the biggest disappointment of this season.Gotta agree with this. The amount of times Hererra would look at a wide player in acres of space and then turn and make a sideways or backwards pass...
Matic saw the same opportunities and would spread the ball so we could attack them from wide.
It didnt help that Lingard was his usual self and offered no creativity.
Admittedly, the comparison of Matic with a hypothetical specialist footballer was overblown. He wasn’t shit at the rest, but does kill our tempo quite a lot.I think you were watching a different game too. He was a long fecking way from “really shit at the rest”.
This. He just isn't getting the forward support, play with Pogba and Fellaini and he will be fineHe looks bolloxed after about 75 mins ever game last few weeks.
He is having to cover the defensive side and also impose some attacking threat so basically doing two jobs for last few games.
Desperately needs a partner to step up.
I love Herrera but he has been terrible last few games
