SalfordRed18
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Cheers for the spoiler, its only just come out!It's quite meh.
Cheers for the spoiler, its only just come out!It's quite meh.
It is. I can relate 100%...Is this what a guilty pleasure is? I’ve loved all of Snyders DC films, MoS, BvS and now this
Yea fcuker spoiled me too. Cant say I'm shocked at that spoiler tho...Cheers for the spoiler, its only just come out!
Opinions of how the movie matches up to expectations and whether it's worth a recommendation or the trip/time/money.Kinda weird you guys are coming into this thread after its been released without watching the movie. Not sure what you were expecting to see?
The quote I read about the Snyder cut was “unwatchable”, and when he stepped down, WB freaked out and reshot a bunch of it.$20m worth especially, or whatever the final figure was. Implies they lost a grip of it really quite badly. And they can't just blame Snyder for that, either.
Great post.Tbf, the 3rd film is pretty pants, narratively. But what’s mitigates that slightly is how masterfully made it is. The fact it relied on thousands of extras and huge expensive practical props does somewhat offset the daftness of its script. Especially as the previous films had laid enough thematic and character groundwork to create a certain degree of investment in the goings on, however silly they were.
I mean, when all those thousands of people charge towards each other on Wall Street, you’re not thinking how barmy the situation that lead them there is, because the scene has enough tangible weight and dramatic tension within itself to carry you through... When a weightless CGI pixie floats around a cartoon colour graded sky to vanquish a faceless evil pixel monster, you’re naturally less invested in the scene, and more likely to question the bonkers plotting that preceded it.
What Marvel do well is balance their tensionless CGI end-battles with well established character drama. But if you have neither the personal investment, nor the cinematic heft, you’ve got little more than an empty computer game cut scene.
And saying “hey, it’s just comics”’ doesnt fly either, as even when you read comics you’re automatically adding this gravitas and poignance to the panels in your head. Just as you imagine the voices, or the unspoken thoughts, like you would with any book. When someone just puts the panels on screen with a bunch of floaty CGI, they’re not “brining it to life” as much as they’re taking away any nuance it may have had.
BvS had one of the biggest second week drops offs ever, for reference.
in your opinion. Mass opinion goes against that which kinda is more important.Why? Wonder Woman was shite, everybody just loves it because Gal Gadot and because female director= women empowerment or something
I wouldn't say Wonder Woman was shite, But it is overrated for sure so I get where you're coming from.Why? Wonder Woman was shite, everybody just loves it because Gal Gadot and because female director= women empowerment or something
Yeah it was definitely overrated but it was in general a good superhero film but for me anyway pales in comparison to Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.I wouldn't say Wonder Woman was shite, But it is overrated for sure so I get where you're coming from.
I actually have no issues with that. Superman is like the strongest dude, and should be doing that to non top tier villains.Disappointing. Think Batman seemed the weakest of the lot and superman just manhandled the bad guy. The cgi was crap. Think Bale was way better as the bat. The villains are getting worse and worse.
Think that's the problem though, when the shtick of a film is the guy being dead but miraculously comes back at the end to easily dispatch the bad guy, it's a bit Superman ex machina.I actually have no issues with that. Superman is like the strongest dude, and should be doing that to non top tier villains.
Yep. It also didn’t help that the entire second half of the movie was just invincible people fighting and destroying everything around them. 5 minutes of that would have sufficed.Great post.
I do argue that MoS actually try to explore the character groundwork for Superman, it's just they didn't do it very well.
But again, it all depends on expectations. I would have been disappointed had Superman struggled against him.Think that's the problem though, when the shtick of a film is the guy being dead but miraculously comes back at the end to easily dispatch the bad guy, it's a bit Superman ex machina.
Was this even the problem? Suicide Squad used quite a bit of humour and BvS wasn't bad because of the lack of it.Saw this today, actually quite enjoyed it. My God, did the DC universe need an injection of humour and the tone brightened somewhat
No, hes not. Seems like they wanted a Marvel style, alien villain. Darkseid would have been better although I imagine he'll arrive later in the universes timeline. They've used a lot of the main villains, though. Scarecrow, Joker, Bane, Ra's, Zod, Luthor in recent years and SS introduced us to a lot more. Guess they wanted something different. Looks like they're going forward with the Injustice League given the introduction of Deathstroke.I'm not really into DC comics so is Steppenwolf a major player? Just seems that if you have your big ensemble movie in a movie series (that has misfired multiple times to date) that you might put someone instantly recognizable (to the masses) in as the bad guy. If you taker a gamble on someone lesser known then it needs to be done in a memorable way, instead we get CGI 70s band man. Terrible.
Nah he's not, he's just a set up for Darkseid like Marvel did with slowly building towards Thanos.I'm not really into DC comics so is Steppenwolf a major player? Just seems that if you have your big ensemble movie in a movie series (that has misfired multiple times to date) that you might put someone instantly recognizable (to the masses) in as the bad guy. If you taker a gamble on someone lesser known then it needs to be done in a memorable way, instead we get CGI 70s band man. Terrible.
Pretty sure that's not happening.See, thats why I had no issue with Steppenwolf. He was big enough to cause issues to the main cast but not big enough for Superman to toy around with. Im hoping we get more light Superman going forward now that hes bron again.
And hopefully Affleck stays as Batman cos I think hes a good batman. Just his bruce wayne is meh when compared to Bale.
I know, hes already talking about phasing out.Pretty sure that's not happening.
That would be awesome. However, isn't he "contracted" with Marvel? Wouldn't that affect whether he could take a role with WB and DC?I know, hes already talking about phasing out.
DC should just go balls out to get people talking and in the next movie we all of a sudden see Idris Elba as batman acting like hes always been Bruce Wayne.
Yeah I think he is haha.That would be awesome. However, isn't he "contracted" with Marvel? Wouldn't that affect whether he could take a role with WB and DC?
Rumours are its Jake Gyllenhaal. I think the best thing Warner Brothers could do is fire Snyder and probably even the writers. His directing style is shit and the stories produced are even worse.Yeah I think he is haha.
they should just do something crazy though. Replace affleck with somebody who is the total opposite of him. And even in the promotions act like hes always been there. The actor can go
"we were a bit disappointed with BvS and it wasnt my best movie, but the next should blow it out of the water".
You're right far from dead however it is worrying from a Warner Bros point of view. Considering this is the first time Justice League is on screen and it has made the lowest of all the recent DC films at opening weekend. After a very positively received Wonder Women who leads the film.It’s done nearly $300 million in 3 days at the global box office. DCEU is far from dead.
They just need a rethink.
I don’t think that Snyder will be within a 100 mike radius of any future DC film.Rumours are its Jake Gyllenhaal. I think the best thing Warner Brothers could do is fire Snyder and probably even the writers. His directing style is shit and the stories produced are even worse.
In terms of the money i think a lot will have to do with the reshoots by Joss Whedon.I'm struggling to understand how this film cost $300 million to make. No doubt there will be a four hour Ultimate Edition that comes out a few months after the original Blu-Ray release.
Warning: my useless opinions alert
I'm also getting sick of watching Snyder films - I'm actually drained from it. Visually they're quite nice to look at (green screen aside) but he has no understanding of plot or character development. He's an "ideas man"; have a big battle scene here and frame this shot so it looks awesome in the trailer, oh and don't forget to put this line of dialogue in because it'll make the trailer look better as well. He doesn't even understand the basic principals of how storytelling works. In what universe does it make sense to have the origins/solo movies after the ensemble film? Because this ensemble movie spends quite a bit of time trying to shape its primary characters, which would be okay if they hadn't already started work on the individual Aquaman and Flash films. Put the origin films out first and then you can release the ensemble one, that way you can actually focus on making the ensemble film its own piece. If I'm watching something I don't like seeing the plot being forced to one side so that I can get exposition flung at me in order to advertise the next few movies that someone plans to make. It makes everything feel chopped together. Suicide Squad was worse for this but that's not saying much.
I know it's a lazy comparison to make, but the MCU did the ensemble universe right. They started with the individual films, developed their main characters, and then put them into an ensemble movie that from the very beginning focused on the main plot. And you didn't even need to have seen the Thor/Captain America films to understand what was going on, because the writing was tightly focused on one singular arc that it allowed breathing space for fun and interesting dialogue between people. Before I watched the first Avengers movie I hadn't seen Thor, so when Loki appeared I didn't know who he was and hadn't seen Cap either so I had no idea what the Tesseract did. But because of the way his first scene was shot, I knew right away "Okay, so he's clearly a powerful guy, he's not nice and that cube he's after has a lot of power." I understood the main antagonist, his goals and what the Avengers would be doing in this film, and all of this was done in the first five minutes with minimal exposition. In Justice League it took thirty minutes to get a feeling for what the film would be about, and yet it required some heavy handed writing to explain what was going on because thematically and visually the film jumped around from set piece to set piece (aka movie trailer highlights). It doesn't help that the main villain has little to no background (besides a momentum halting flashback) and is quite bland - much in the same way to how the Witch was explained in Suicide Squad. Snyder seems to confuse character development with purely explaining backstories. I'd also appreciate some more show and less tell.
After Wonder Woman, which for me managed to keep a relatively linear story arc that didn't distract from the development of themes and characters, I had hopes that mistakes from Watchmen, Man of Steel and BvS had been learned. Instead we have yet another mess of a film with no real direction.
Says the award winning creator of Dr. Suli M.D....
Just to comment on your first paragraph - this movie seemed like 90% CGI and shot infront of a green screen - I cant think of many scenes which were set in the open/real world. I imagine that in itself was very costly. Avengers, on the other hand, had a budget of $220m.I'm struggling to understand how this film cost $300 million to make. No doubt there will be a four hour Ultimate Edition that comes out a few months after the original Blu-Ray release.
Warning: my useless opinions alert
I'm also getting sick of watching Snyder films - I'm actually drained from it. Visually they're quite nice to look at (green screen aside) but he has no understanding of plot or character development. He's an "ideas man"; have a big battle scene here and frame this shot so it looks awesome in the trailer, oh and don't forget to put this line of dialogue in because it'll make the trailer look better as well. He doesn't even understand the basic principals of how storytelling works. In what universe does it make sense to have the origins/solo movies after the ensemble film? Because this ensemble movie spends quite a bit of time trying to shape its primary characters, which would be okay if they hadn't already started work on the individual Aquaman and Flash films. Put the origin films out first and then you can release the ensemble one, that way you can actually focus on making the ensemble film its own piece. If I'm watching something I don't like seeing the plot being forced to one side so that I can get exposition flung at me in order to advertise the next few movies that someone plans to make. It makes everything feel chopped together. Suicide Squad was worse for this but that's not saying much.
I know it's a lazy comparison to make, but the MCU did the ensemble universe right. They started with the individual films, developed their main characters, and then put them into an ensemble movie that from the very beginning focused on the main plot. And you didn't even need to have seen the Thor/Captain America films to understand what was going on, because the writing was tightly focused on one singular arc that it allowed breathing space for fun and interesting dialogue between people. Before I watched the first Avengers movie I hadn't seen Thor, so when Loki appeared I didn't know who he was and hadn't seen Cap either so I had no idea what the Tesseract did. But because of the way his first scene was shot, I knew right away "Okay, so he's clearly a powerful guy, he's not nice and that cube he's after has a lot of power." I understood the main antagonist, his goals and what the Avengers would be doing in this film, and all of this was done in the first five minutes with minimal exposition. In Justice League it took thirty minutes to get a feeling for what the film would be about, and yet it required some heavy handed writing to explain what was going on because thematically and visually the film jumped around from set piece to set piece (aka movie trailer highlights). It doesn't help that the main villain has little to no background (besides a momentum halting flashback) and is quite bland - much in the same way to how the Witch was explained in Suicide Squad. Snyder seems to confuse character development with purely explaining backstories. I'd also appreciate some more show and less tell.
After Wonder Woman, which for me managed to keep a relatively linear story arc that didn't distract from the development of themes and characters, I had hopes that mistakes from Watchmen, Man of Steel and BvS had been learned. Instead we have yet another mess of a film with no real direction.
Says the award winning creator of Dr. Suli M.D....
directed by different people I believe. I think Snyder had a hand in writing WW, but it was shot by Jenkins and you could tell the difference.After Wonder Woman, which for me managed to keep a relatively linear story arc that didn't distract from the development of themes and characters, I had hopes that mistakes from Watchmen, Man of Steel and BvS had been learned. Instead we have yet another mess of a film with no real direction.
I don't think a superhero film has any business being nearly three hours long personally, but cutting out key universe-building elements like that would be dumb from Whedon. Unless they just looked rubbish, which is possible.I’ve heard that a scene with Darkseid and a green lantern post credit sequence were completely cut out by Whedon.
I hope they release the 2 hour 50 minute cut that got slimmed down by WB. The extended cut of Batman V Superman was far better than the cinema version.
I read somewhere that the studio mandated that the movie be no longer than 2 hours, which would explain the amount of scenes apparently cut.I don't think a superhero film has any business being nearly three hours long personally, but cutting out key universe-building elements like that would be dumb from Whedon. Unless they just looked rubbish, which is possible.