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Next Draft - Ideas and Discussions
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Get the thread fired up today bro the final is scheduled for today and there would be some questions or the new people to understand the sheep format etc. @green_smiley
@Tuppet do you mind, or would you prefer to be after the final? Don't want to affect your on-going draft
I meant don't give out any criteria or anything but just to notify everyone so that they are ready and clear on everything before the thing starts.
Oh no, go ahead.
Done
Yeah, it was all set on Saturday. I don't like drafts starting while another is still on, but we could do with people being forewarned.
Has there ever been a Rugby Union draft on here?
That could be decent.
That could be decent.
Not that I recall. In other sports forum, we have had Cricket and NBA drafts only.
No because I don't watch Rugby and no one else starts new drafts.
Pioneer of Cricket, NBA and Sheep drafts [/signature]
I had an idea for a new draft for you lot, but you've already gone ahead with the next one, so never mind. 
Bet you that you will play a Rugby Draft if it ever starts
Post it here anyways. Good to have some discussions and it'll get pulled up again when it's time for a new one.I had an idea for a new draft for you lot, but you've already gone ahead with the next one, so never mind.
You are probably right.Bet you that you will play a Rugby Draft if it ever starts
'googles top 10 rugby players ever'
Have you done a 'won nothing' draft, yet? Where the draft picks are literally from players who haven't won a team trophy?
Massive pool of players who probably have never been drafted before and the chance to do something quite a bit removed from the norm.
There are some excellent teams to be had if the drafters know what they're doing.
Just a thought.
Good idea of course. I already suggested this idea but please look at the replies
My opinion don't matter but instead of a 'Reserve Draft', I strongly recommend a 'Loser Draft': all the players who have never won a major trophy like the Champions League, the World Cup, The Euro and the Copa America. So refreshing
These draft ideas nowadays seems to be so complicated...
Its less fun without GOAT's to be honest. Even if not GOAT's, removing everyone who has won something makes it way too boring.
Good idea of course. I already suggested this idea but please look at the replies
Fair play. Didn't know it had been proposed before.
Boring? Harder, sure, but boring? How so?
Personally, of course. To each his own
It would be full of Spurs players.
Fair play. Didn't know it had been proposed before.
Boring? Harder, sure, but boring? How so?
We do try to mix the pools up. Although your average draft will typically be all-time with some sort of set of restrictions, I tend to prefer the more niche stuff focusing in on specific decades or leagues. Think we looked at a reserve reserve draft, which might have been all the players unpicked from one of the first all-time drafts and from the pool of the follow-up reserve draft. Even a suggestion before about collating every player that has been picked onto a banned list and then running it from there.
Fair play. Didn't know it had been proposed before.
Boring? Harder, sure, but boring? How so?
Well, I think you risk scraping the proverbial bottom a little too much if you stick strictly to no trophies. We're talking about 200+ players.
The pool is sufficiently large to include some very interesting individual players, and building interesting XIs isn't impossible either, but sustaining the interest of a full roster of managers and a bunch of neutrals might be a stretch.
I'd like to see the «reserve-reserve» draft myself. We already have the blueprint for this: Block the all-time pool and the pool for the reserves draft. You get a pool where the most shiny names have probably featured once or twice without getting much attention - and a significant number of players who probably haven't been picked before at all.
Sounds interesting.
200 players from the thousands you can pool from throughout all of history and even currently active, though.
I would think the squads could be very good and I would have thought the draft followers are loyal? Do drafts tend to taper off?
I just think it would be interesting to see a draft with [almost] an entire ensemble of unpicked players.
Don't think any have tapered off in recent years.
There will be certain gems like Le Tiss, but very few would have interest in building a team with Stan Collymore and the likes!
Don't get me wrong, I'd be all for it myself. I'm just not sure how well it'd go down in the mainstream.
The danger is that you get too large a contingent of players people aren't familiar with (many of the real gems would likely be older players). Personally, I love that. Learning something new is the main reason I like these things. But there are two aspects to drafts (or the sort of drafts we do here): The educational part and the pure game part. The latter tends to suffer if the pool is too obscure or the theme is too particular. Just look at the remake variations we've tried. Great for the education but the games have been overly dull (or, you could say our standard game format doesn't go well with certain themes).
What do you all think of a "Can you beat them? draft"!
Rather than playing with each other, we'll draft teams who will 'play' a match against some legendary teams. At end of snake draft, Draft Mod will allocate real life good/great teams to all playing managers. For example, the team Chester drafted will play against Arsenal Invincibles.
R1 match will be Chester All Time vs Invincibles.
If voters deem his team to be victorious, he progresses to next round. Next round he gets a relatively harder team to bear. For example, Milan early 2000s
R2 will be Chester All Time vs Milan 03-07
and so forth....
Opinions?
Rather than playing with each other, we'll draft teams who will 'play' a match against some legendary teams. At end of snake draft, Draft Mod will allocate real life good/great teams to all playing managers. For example, the team Chester drafted will play against Arsenal Invincibles.
R1 match will be Chester All Time vs Invincibles.
If voters deem his team to be victorious, he progresses to next round. Next round he gets a relatively harder team to bear. For example, Milan early 2000s
R2 will be Chester All Time vs Milan 03-07
and so forth....
Opinions?
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Interesting idea.. The thing with it is you have to agree on the teams before hand so as to avoid duplicate players
@Edgar Allan Pillow That's an interesting idea. You would probably need to circulate the classic teams in advance as you'd need to block the members of those teams. The issue would be would too many quality players be blocked to prevent defeating the classic sides
Yes, I like the basic idea.
Might be challenging to make it work in a format with many managers, however. Ending up with one winner could be tricky, as the managers wouldn't be eliminating each other directly.
As a particular challenge, I definitely like it, though. And it would generate a different kind of match thread discussion, you'd think. The manager having to defend his choices against the input of various neutrals rather than bickering with one (biased) opponent.
Might be challenging to make it work in a format with many managers, however. Ending up with one winner could be tricky, as the managers wouldn't be eliminating each other directly.
As a particular challenge, I definitely like it, though. And it would generate a different kind of match thread discussion, you'd think. The manager having to defend his choices against the input of various neutrals rather than bickering with one (biased) opponent.
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Thanks for the comments, lads! I was giving some thought on that already...
4xR1 teams (I'll randomize and 16 managers will face one of these 4 teams)
4x QF teams (whoever clears will be randomized to these 4 teams)
2x SF teams (whoever clears will be randomized to these 2 teams)
2x Final teams (whoever clears will be randomized to these 2 teams)
All 14 'legend' teams will be announced before, but each round opponents will be a surprise. I can add 4 wild card teams to make it difficult to predict.
There can be multiple winners here. Whoever clears all 4 rounds will be deemed winners of this draft. There can be no winners too which would be funny
All players in these 12 teams chosen will be blocked. Idea is to make sure we restrict each team to 1 or 2 GOATs.
You could also have it as a last man standing type draft.. Let’s say in R1 only 6 managers win their round and the other 2 are won by the legend teams. Next round could be these 6 teams against legend teams and so on till you have 1 team standingThanks for the comments, lads! I was giving some thought on that already...
4xR1 teams (I'll randomize and 16 managers will face one of these 4 teams)
4x QF teams (whoever clears will be randomized to these 4 teams)
2x SF teams (whoever clears will be randomized to these 2 teams)
2x Final teams (whoever clears will be randomized to these 2 teams)
All 14 'legend' teams will be announced before, but each round opponents will be a surprise. I can add 4 wild card teams to make it difficult to predict.
There can be multiple winners here. Whoever clears all 4 rounds will be deemed winners of this draft. There can be no winners too which would be funny
All players in these 12 teams chosen will be blocked. Idea is to make sure we restrict each team to 1 or 2 GOATs.
I like that idea, although 'won nothing' might be a bit too punitive. Never won a league title/European Cup/World Cup/Euros (and equivalents for other continents of course) would still thin the usual pool down massively, and allow for rarely-featured players who won the odd domestic cup.
EDIT: UEFA Cup, Cup-Winners Cup, Copa Sudamericana should probably be on the banned list too.
Aye, I'd still like to see that reserve-reserve draft myself, and I still nurse some residual bitterness towards @Edgar Allan Pillow for pissing all over the idea here:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/next-draft-idea-discussion.403961/page-80#post-20788416
Alot of the really interesting players I had earmarked back then have subsequently featured in some of the more niche drafts, but it would still make for an interesting drafting process IMO. I'd also love to see this idea get an airing at some point:
Just to improvise, I think it would be more competitive if 2 drafted teams face against the same opposition.What do you all think of a "Can you beat them? draft"!
Rather than playing with each other, we'll draft teams who will 'play' a match against some legendary teams. At end of snake draft, Draft Mod will allocate real life good/great teams to all playing managers. For example, the team Chester drafted will play against Arsenal Invincibles.
R1 match will be Chester All Time vs Invincibles.
If voters deem his team to be victorious, he progresses to next round. Next round he gets a relatively harder team to bear. For example, Milan early 2000s
R2 will be Chester All Time vs Milan 03-07
and so forth....
Opinions?
Voting would be to decide the team which is better equipped to win against the legendary team.
Don't think a block list is necessary. Mods can pick the opposition for each drafted team randomly and all the overlapping players have to be benched (by the drafters). Makes it even more tougher and interesting while drafting.
Definitely like the idea @Edgar Allan Pillow be an interesting take on a draft.
Now that's an even better idea. I'd be down for a draft like this.
Mixture of criteria/remake draft. Committee would choose xy(yet to figure out a good number, but between 20-25) iconic scenes from football history, gk saves, dribblings, passes, goals etc. and your goal will be to create a squad of 13 or 14 players by picking players that made a remake of that scene in an official game. So lets say there is a scene of Diego goal vs England, anyone that scored something similar would be available under that criteria.
Just looking at the Rafael/Fabio sheep and the general idea of sheep allocation - the idea that I had seen and on which I based the sheep allocation in the first sheep draft was that a sheep pick simply is meant as a uniform punishment across managers. A punishment that you have failed to get a player in three attempts so now you have someone who is complete junk, a liability and basically a standing cone on the pitch. Now, to make the matches discussion worthy, for entirely cosmetic purposes sheep were actual players who usually were unbelievably shit just to put a name to what is actually someone's grandma on the pitch. And then to enhance it further we had the sheep matching the criteria.
The point is, sheep quality isn't at the discretion of the mod to dish out, and in process add variance across different sheep. All punishments are exactly the same, a null player as described above, and one isn't supposed to be able to argue based on the player's actual abilities in real life since what it represents is a complete nobody. It just looks better to have some **** heroes like Djemba Djemba etc but in practice they are all literally to be treated the same and there is no scope for the manager whatsoever to bring up any sort of footballing ability in a match up.
The point is, sheep quality isn't at the discretion of the mod to dish out, and in process add variance across different sheep. All punishments are exactly the same, a null player as described above, and one isn't supposed to be able to argue based on the player's actual abilities in real life since what it represents is a complete nobody. It just looks better to have some **** heroes like Djemba Djemba etc but in practice they are all literally to be treated the same and there is no scope for the manager whatsoever to bring up any sort of footballing ability in a match up.