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I'm calling it: DDG is the best we've ever had
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He’s not better than peter yet. I think he still needs to improve his distribution. Peter could start such great counter attack with amazing throws. Ddg only really kick the ball out really unless short throw.
DDG also not as great on one on one situation, peter was able make himself bigger and tighten the angle.
However, DDG shot stopping and ractions is better than peters.
DDG also not as great on one on one situation, peter was able make himself bigger and tighten the angle.
However, DDG shot stopping and ractions is better than peters.
I think it's only fair to judge them after their careers have ended really.
In his defense we are normally really short on numbers upfront when he gets the ball as Mou likes to defend with 11 people.. Also I can safely say that his 1 v 1 is one of the best that I have seen so for me he is well up there with Pete. Where he stands out from any other goalkeeper is his reactions and shot stopping they are out of this world, the only thing where I think he could really improve is his penalty saving. I just don´t get why he doesn´t save more of them..
DDG is better than Schmeichel.
1) He makes no mistakes - whereas Big Peter had 2-3 of the worst kind every season
2) His distribution is much better - even if Schmeichels throws were brilliant
What Schmeichel did better than anyone was the 1 on 1 situation - even Shearer and Wright admitted they were scared of him when they were through on goal.
1) He makes no mistakes - whereas Big Peter had 2-3 of the worst kind every season
2) His distribution is much better - even if Schmeichels throws were brilliant
What Schmeichel did better than anyone was the 1 on 1 situation - even Shearer and Wright admitted they were scared of him when they were through on goal.
Schmeichel had a better defence, team and tactics in front of him. Also a better manager making all the decisions. He had less to do every match because we attacked a lot more. Swap them round and we’d be worse off now
How do you explain her performance in the 1992 European Championships then?
No United fans saw VdS as world class at Fulham, before he proved it with us. No one put put Neuer as one of GOAT Gk, before his move to Bayern.
Well that's clearly not true, for either of them.
Clearly? Yeh. I didn't see many thought Neuer as one of the GOAT when he was at Schalke. None in here thought VdS was world class or one of GOAT when he was at Fulham either.
If DDG stays at a non-challenging team that only win second rate trophies, regardless his Arsenal like performances, he'd be classed as one of those Gk who did not want to step up.
A bit like Thiago Silva since his move to PSG, who might be a better player better than Vidic, but still classed below in football history.
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I've noticed that after heroic performances some keepers make blunders in the next (big) game. DDG is a different class of course but I hope that he will be at his fantastic best again.
Neuer was extremely highly rated at Schalke, loads of people on here were shitting themselves in excitement at us potentially getting him. VdS was also extremely highly rated having been successful at Ajax and Juve. You're just completely wrong here.
Ha. Ok then.
I think Schmeichel made more mistakes because he came of his line a lot more and came for high balls, he got lobbed quite a few times I remember aswel. DDG is the best shot stopper I’ve ever seen. His reflexes are unbelievable. Big Pete command of his area and presence was world class. It’s such a tough one to call.
I remember us playing Schalke in the CL (semis?) and people saying we were going to have a tough time beating Neuer because he was so good. As you say, when there were rumours of him being our VdS replacement we were all giddy with excitement. I remember more than one comparison to The Great Dane, funnily enough. The entire reason Neuer was being linked to us and moved to Bayern was because he was considered world class, and essentially too good to be at Schalke.
Both Neuer and VdS were considered world class goalkeepers when they were at Schalke and Fulham respectively, with perhaps the only caveat being that VdS was deemed to be in the winding down phase of his career, before ultimately proving everyone wrong and going out after an incredible six year spell with us. VdS was already considered to have been a world class goalkeeper, up there with the best ever, before he'd even moved to Fulham. His time with United just cemented that.
I think many United fans would agree that we should have signed Edwin a lot earlier, avoiding the years where we had Bosnich, Barthez, Caroll and Howard as our first choice keepers.
How feasible is to argue that David De Gea is the best player we ever had? Not just goalkeeper. Guy's been world class for almost five seasons now, arguably the best keeper in the world. Whom have we had to lay claim to a 'best....' in the world?
Ronaldo is the only recent example and that was just two seasons too.
Edit: Just voicing out thoughts.
Ronaldo is the only recent example and that was just two seasons too.
Edit: Just voicing out thoughts.
It will take someone in the ilk of Lionel Messi to beat Georgie boy tbh, on pure talent even Cristiano was not like Best, even for high praises Bestie had for the lad.
Are you saying that if VdS kept staying at Fulham, people would still put him as one of the best ever after he retired? And so would Neuer if he's still at Schalke?
I think he'd be regular in discussions about "forgotten greats," yes.
VdS was part of an all-time great Ajax side that won the CL and reached the final of another, losing only on penalties. They won three consecutive league titles with him in goal, conceding the fewest goals of any team in the league for all three seasons, he then won a 4th league title with them in 97/98, conceding almost half as many goals as Feyenoord, who conceded the 2nd fewest.
He was then Juventus' first choice for two seasons, where he was once again part of the league's best defence, despite the team not managing to win the league while he was there. It was only the world-record purchase of Buffon that saw him leave Juve.
The Fulham move was a shock to many, but he was still performing very well even with comparatively lower quality teammates. For example, in his first season there, despite Fulham finishing 13th, only 4 teams conceded more goals than them.
This isn't to say that his stature has not been elevated by his time at United, but to say that a keeper with his record prior to his move to United wouldn't be regarded as an all-time great is a bit farcical, as far as I'm concerned.
As for Neuer, he was Germany's first choice before his move to Bayern, conceding only 3 goals in the 2010 World Cup. Unless Schalke were winning things, he'd just be viewed to be wasting his career if he was still there.
Ah those aren't the mistakes I am talking about. I am talking about the weak shots from 20 yards he dropped (Think John Sheridan had one when we lost to Wednesday by 3-2) or the times he rushed off his line and missed when trying to kick the ball (he had one against Ipswich when Kiwomya scored and did it again when we got knocked out of the FA Cup a few years later). Or when we lost 3-0 to Everton in 1992 - he came out of the area, took the ball on his chest - and then lost it to Maurice Johnston who scored.
He was a brilliant keeper - but he had 1-2 HUGE howlers that lead to goals - every season.
He did make a few mistakes. He had a bad first half of the season in 99. I always remember the one against Munich in the last few minutes when we were 2-1 up, and I think he got lobbed against Fenabache and we lost are unbeaten European record at home.
Still big Pete for me, DDG is getting there but has a way to go yet.
If he stayed at Fulham, I think he'd be remembered as "Good Gk who couldn't cut it in big league". He moved to Juve when he was 29 y.o. If he's that "great", big teams and especially us wouldn't wait until he's 34 y.o. to move to us. It's not like our Gk situation was that good either. We had Tim Howard, and later on alternating with Andy Carroll, before we signed VdS.
When at Fulham (2001-2005), he's never stand out. Not once he featured in any Individual award or PL best XI. Compare that since his move to United (2005-2011):
Individual
- Dutch Football Goalkeeper of the Year (4): 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997
- Best European Goalkeeper (2): 1995, 2009[74]
- ESM Team of the Year (2): 1995–96, 2008–09
- FIFA World Cup All-Star Team (1): 1998 (Reserve)[75]
- Dutch Golden Shoe (1): 1998
- IFFHS World's Best Goalkeeper (2): Bronze ball 1998,[76] 2008[77]
- FIFA FIFPro World XI Nominee (6): 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011[78]
- PFA Premier League Team of the Year (3): 2006–07, 2008–09,[74] 2010–11
- UEFA Champions League Man of the Match: Final 2008
- UEFA Euro 2008: Team of the Tournament[74]
- Barclays Merit Award (1): 2008–09
- Barclays Golden Glove (1): 2008–09
- UEFA Club Goalkeeper of the Year (1): 2009
Who are the 5 best keeper's of all time
All three are great keepers, but Schmeichel and VdS are established all-time greats with full careers and a legacy, while De Gea still has to create his own in many ways. I've always had a huge crush on VdS as a keeper, which is why I'll probably prefer him no matter what. No United supporter though, so it's not up to me to discuss who has been the greatest club legend.
I disagree. I don't think he'd be the first name on any best GK list, but I think he's someone who'd be mentioned very frequently as one that people forget about. You can't completely disregard the fact that he was the GK for an Ajax side that was among the best in Europe for a spell, winning a Champions League, or that his spells at Ajax and Juventus also happened to coincide with seasons in which they were conceding far fewer goals than their domestic competition. He also won a 130 caps for Netherlands, until this year, being their most capped player.
To suggest that van der Sar couldn't cut it in a big league before moving to United is laughable. Again, he was the GK for an Ajax side that was one of Europe's best, at a time when the Dutch league was one of the best in Europe. He also went to Juventus, in a very strong Serie A, and for the two seasons he was there, they conceded the fewest goals of any time. Additionally, even with Fulham, the goals conceded was lower than you'd expect; a newly promoted Fulham that finished 13th conceded the 5th fewest goals in his debut season.
Not winning any individual awards for a team constantly mid-table doesn't prove anything. If he didn't stand out we wouldn't have been interested. The fact is that he was standing out. It was a mistake to not sign him earlier. We should have taken him straight from Juventus, but hindsight is 20/20. Juventus splashed out on Buffon and VdS didn't want to stay and play second fiddle to their new toy after doing well in the two seasons prior, and Fulham gave him the opportunity for a fresh start, in a new league, in a club that made him feel appreciated. It was a move that surprised a lot of people, but he'd signed a contract and was doing his job well. Fergie made a few odd choices in the transition from the Treble winning side, and going from Mark Bosnich to Fabien Barthez (by way of Massimo Taibi and Raymond van der Gouw), to Tim Howard, then to Roy Carroll was just one of them. The timing was wrong for us to get him straight from Juventus though, as we'd not long signed Barthez, who on paper (as France's number one) was a solid choice to replace Schmeichel.
A few have eluded to Schmeichel making mistakes quite often, I'm only trying to be objective but I don't remember that being the case at all? I remember him only as solid and his mistakes being very rare.
Schmeichel is for me still the GOAT, along with Kahn.
DDG or Neuer may well end their careers as contenders too.
Schmeichel is for me still the GOAT, along with Kahn.
DDG or Neuer may well end their careers as contenders too.
Schmeichel and VdS had great defenses in front of them and just great teams overall. VdS had a rock solid wall of Vidic and Rio in front of him, Schmeichel had the likes of Bruce, Pallister and Stam in front of him. DDG had shaky defenses full or rotating clowns in front of him for the most part of his United career. For me DDG haven't done enough to be above Schmeichel and VdS just yet but he is on the right path. Few more titles and a CL with us and he will undoubtedly be our GOAT keeper.
Always like those, but I am not gonna go all time, I will limit it to the past 20/25 years. Mine would be Schmeichel, Buffon, Kahn, Neuer and Van der Sar. Never rated Casillas all that much.
There are still weirdos out there who rate Schmeichel (and even bigger weirdos who rate van der Sar) better than De Gea.
Have a think about that for a minute...
EDIT: Also, I still maintain De Gea is already Ferguson's greatest ever signing. What an outrageous goalkeeper he is. Unquestionably the best in the world and has been for a couple of years now.
Have a think about that for a minute...
EDIT: Also, I still maintain De Gea is already Ferguson's greatest ever signing. What an outrageous goalkeeper he is. Unquestionably the best in the world and has been for a couple of years now.
Come at me.
Edit: feck off Buchan!
Edit: feck off Buchan!
I think so. We just need to give him regular CL football so he has a big enough stage to prove it.
Yep.
Let's just agree that selling him to Real Madrid, whatever money they might pay or players we might get in part-exchange would be stupid, if there is any kind of chance to get him to sign a new contract. Keeping him as long as we can if he doesn't want to sign a new deal should be the obvious thing to do. Why sell the best goalkeeper in the world? Makes no sense at all.
De Gea.. 100% the best we have ever had.
Look at the defence which Peter S, Edwin had in front of them. De Gea is continuously saving us season after season with an absolute joke of a back line in front of him.
Look at the defence which Peter S, Edwin had in front of them. De Gea is continuously saving us season after season with an absolute joke of a back line in front of him.
Those reaction times 
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.Woodward has to do everything he can to make sure he never leave us.
Many will say that second save was easy, but for me it's that he makes it look so easy. Always in the right place. Crazy reflexes as well.