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Pogba plays fine as a third midfielder that drops into the left midfield spot when defending. He played that role all the time at Juventus and has done it well a few times at United.

Pogba is quite good at covering for the full back and supporting the left flank, he is a player that moves vertically along the pitch. What he struggles with is covering the pitch horizontally.
 

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Incredible how quickly some have turned on him. In terms of the season I'd have DeGea, Matic and Pogba as our best three players so far
 

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He gets plenty of work done.
I disagree. The first goal palace scored said it all for me, just slowly jogging back not bothering to get in front of the man. Then sometimes he'll go back to fullback but not really defend, just stand there and pretend he's doing his bit.
In Italy it's fine to do this, it's a slower game and he didn't need to defend in a pivot midfield. But at United i and we should all expect more out of our midfielders. At the minute I just see him as somebody not dedicated enough to be a midfielder, and not talented enough to be an attacker. Many will disagree and that's fair enough, but I want to see more out of our midfielders, and I'm far from sold on Pogba at the moment.
 

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Any indication if he will play v Sevilla?
He might do, he was playing in the Pogba arena in his house with Jesse and Rashford. It's tiny so he doesn't have to get through any running.
 

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José - ''If I finished the training 1 minute earlier, he would not be injured''

feck sake, Phil Jones strikes again!
 

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Think it is time for him to be switched to the lateral positions if he is to play in this team. Because we were quite convincing without him in the middle.
 

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Imagine the potential of this squad when we have Pogba and Sanchez firing all cylinders (along with Martial and Rashford continuing to improve):drool::devil:
 

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The answer is not picking him. We can't afford to have a player in our midfield who doesn't get any work done. Ronaldo and Messi are the only players who you could argue shouldn't have to get through defending. Pogba is not nearly as talented as these players, and as such if he doesn't want to work for the team, then the team won't work for him and he can go and find a side that will.
United don't live or die due to how Pogba plays, I think we showed that today by beating our biggest rivals with a youth product and a little attacking mid in midfield.
You're conflating two issues to make one point. Pogba will get back, as best as he can, the fact he is not positionally aware on the defensive end is due to him not being a proper, two-way CM. If a manager deploys Pogba in a deep position, and he so happens to not know what he's supposed to be doing, which is a strong possibility, then it's the manager's fault - you should know your players, what they are capable of, what they will most likely not be able to do and what they excel at.

Pogba has never, not once in his career shown a penchant for tracking runners or having a clue what he should be doing in the defensive third of the pitch. He can try and do those jobs, but any even half decent opposing manager will target him knowing full well he will lapse in those duties because he isn't that kind of midfielder and most probably never will be.

We bought a player who became renowned playing in a specific position on the pitch. If we're going to play him in any other way than that, then it's unknown territory and you cannot be guaranteed like-for-like performance to what his reputation was built upon.

Besides that, at Juventus, the team was so settled and automated that every player knew their job, where to go and what to do in each given scenario. That's perfect for a player learning his craft and you can't just take all of that away and then wonder why there are drops in performance and a relatively erratic level of output.

Pogba's running stats prove he is not lazy, but if you're expecting him to be 100% clued in on the defensive end of the game, you're creating a reality that he's never shown and then blasting him with it, effectively creating a strawman.

All this chopping and changing is far removed from what the majority of teams do. Practically any team worth its salt has a set system, line-up and plans of execution. Even before a ball is kicked, you know what the job brief is of their personnel. We've not even settled on an xi yet, let alone implemented a universal system and that's bound to create teething problems. Disrupting things further by adding Sanchez mid-season and plopping him right on top of Pogba's space is going to add to that. Pogba is a superior player to Sanchez and shouldn't be having his position compromised for him. We bought an £89m talent, coveted by the likes of Real Madrid, and haven't built around it. Perhaps in time we will, but for now, there are problems that aren't entirely Pogba's fault and are on the manager to fix. The player can do better, but the fact he's not allowed to have dips whilst those around him are, stinks of bias and irrational reasoning.

I disagree. The first goal palace scored said it all for me, just slowly jogging back not bothering to get in front of the man. Then sometimes he'll go back to fullback but not really defend, just stand there and pretend he's doing his bit.
In Italy it's fine to do this, it's a slower game and he didn't need to defend in a pivot midfield. But at United i and we should all expect more out of our midfielders. At the minute I just see him as somebody not dedicated enough to be a midfielder, and not talented enough to be an attacker. Many will disagree and that's fair enough, but I want to see more out of our midfielders, and I'm far from sold on Pogba at the moment.
Where you should expect more out of Pogba is in impacting the game on the offensive end. This is the department where he should be doing better. If he's in a team to defend, instead of contributing as some kind of steer, then that team has not been built correctly. Pogba should be doing better with his offensive contributions, and I bet if he was, we'd not hear a thing about how he is on the defensive side of the play.
 

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You're conflating two issues to make one point. Pogba will get back, as best as he can, the fact he is not positionally aware on the defensive end is due to him not being a proper, two-way CM. If a manager deploys Pogba in a deep position, and he so happens to not know what he's supposed to be doing, which is a strong possibility, then it's the manager's fault - you should know your players, what they are capable of, what they will most likely not be able to do and what they excel at.

Pogba has never, not once in his career shown a penchant for tracking runners or having a clue what he should be doing in the defensive third of the pitch. He can try and do those jobs, but any even half decent opposing manager will target him knowing full well he will lapse in those duties because he isn't that kind of midfielder and most probably never will be.

We bought a player who became renowned playing in a specific position on the pitch. If we're going to play him in any other way than that, then it's unknown territory and you cannot be guaranteed like-for-like performance to what his reputation was built upon.

Besides that, at Juventus, the team was so settled and automated that every player knew their job, where to go and what to do in each given scenario. That's perfect for a player learning his craft and you can't just take all of that away and then wonder why there are drops in performance and a relatively erratic level of output.

Pogba's running stats prove he is not lazy, but if you're expecting him to be 100% clued in on the defensive end of the game, you're creating a reality that he's never shown and then blasting him with it, effectively creating a strawman.

All this chopping and changing is far removed from what the majority of teams do. Practically any team worth its salt has a set system, line-up and plans of execution. Even before a ball is kicked, you know what the job brief is of their personnel. We've not even settled on an xi yet, let alone implemented a universal system and that's bound to create teething problems. Disrupting things further by adding Sanchez mid-season and plopping him right on top of Pogba's space is going to add to that. Pogba is a superior player to Sanchez and shouldn't be having his position compromised for him. We bought an £89m talent, coveted by the likes of Real Madrid, and haven't built around it. Perhaps in time we will, but for now, there are problems that aren't entirely Pogba's fault and are on the manager to fix. The player can do better, but the fact he's not allowed to have dips whilst those around him are, stinks of bias and irrational reasoning.

Where you should expect more out of Pogba is in impacting the game on the offensive end. This is the department where he should be doing better. If he's in a team to defend, instead of contributing as some kind of steer, then that team has not been built correctly. Pogba should be doing better with his offensive contributions, and I bet if he was, we'd not hear a thing about how he is on the defensive side of the play.
This is all well and good what you've said, but Pogba is one of our midfielders, hence I expect him to be able to do things midfielders do, like defend.
If Pogba can't play in midfield in the way we choose to play, then I'm right in saying don't pick him. We have plenty of players who are far better attackers than Pogba, so to push him further up and take one of their places would be counter productive.
If he is going to have a long lasting, successful career at United, he needs to learn to play in midfield in the premier league. It doesn't matter if we have three midfielders on the pitch, to expect only two to be defending is wrong. For the record his running stats don't prove anything, it's like I said, he'll run back to look like he's doing something, I'm sure we've all tried to look busy at work before and Pogba is no different.
If he would be a much better player back at Juve, then I'd be more than happy for him to return there, and for us to get a midfielder that suits playing in our league.
 

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This is all well and good what you've said, but Pogba is one of our midfielders, hence I expect him to be able to do things midfielders do, like defend.
If Pogba can't play in midfield in the way we choose to play, then I'm right in saying don't pick him. We have plenty of players who are far better attackers than Pogba, so to push him further up and take one of their places would be counter productive.
If he is going to have a long lasting, successful career at United, he needs to learn to play in midfield in the premier league. It doesn't matter if we have three midfielders on the pitch, to expect only two to be defending is wrong. For the record his running stats don't prove anything, it's like I said, he'll run back to look like he's doing something, I'm sure we've all tried to look busy at work before and Pogba is no different.
If he would be a much better player back at Juve, then I'd be more than happy for him to return there, and for us to get a midfielder that suits playing in our league.
We don't have a single player other than Pogba who can link the midfield to attack in the multitude of ways Pogba has displayed. He sprays passes all over the place, can pick a man out from over 40 yards away and has the incisiveness within his range to go high or low as the situation demands, ergo, we don't have anyone even close to offering what Pogba does, and if our runners, would actually run, he's the one player in the team who can place passes on a sixpence for them. You're focusing on Pogba and advocating a more donkeyish, grafting approach to a team that's dying for as much creativity as it can get. There's no team out there at the top level who doesn't have a linking man knitting everything together - you're actually taking away our one player of that type because you're dissatisfied with his defensive contribution.

Unless you have a front line of immense productivity, you cannot just forgo the midfield components that enable the forwards to play, even then, when Barcelona has M.S.N. up front, they had the like of Iniesta feeding them.

And there's a big difference between a midfielder at the top of the midfield coming back to help, and one who can actually put himself about in the proper way: blocking passing lanes, tracking runners to the very end of *their* run, being positionally aware, adept at spotting danger or ghosting runs. Lampard, for example was a studious offensive midfielder, but he was crap as a two-way one, you'd not accuse him of being lazy simply because his offensive output made his poorness behind the halfway line redundant.

His running stats prove he is not lazy, which you accused him of being, all the rest I've already explained why he falls short with. You're looking at an offensive midfielder and expecting him to do the job of a two-way or even a defensive midfielder, which makes as much sense as demanding 15 goals a season and a massive impact in the attacking third from a Carrick or Matic.

There are a lot of sticks Pogba can be beaten with for his lack of world class output, the defensive side of his game is not one of them. We didn't buy a player under false advertising - he has always been the same, so if we're trying to change that, then we are at fault, not the player.
 

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It's becoming obvious to me that he is a player that can't be relied on and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. He either misses the big games through 'injury' or he plays but goes missing anyway. He just doesn't have the bottle or the fight to be a success at United in my opinion. If we can recoup most of the transfer fee in the summer we should get rid and get in two proper, hard-working, top class midfielders who are up for the challenge.
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We don't have a single player other than Pogba who can link the midfield to attack in the multitude of ways Pogba has displayed. He sprays passes all over the place, can pick a man out from over 40 yards away and has the incisiveness within his range to go high or low as the situation demands, ergo, we don't have anyone even close to offering what Pogba does, and if our runners, would actually run, he's the one player in the team who can place passes on a sixpence for them. You're focusing on Pogba and advocating a more donkeyish, grafting approach to a team that's dying for as much creativity as it can get. There's no team out there at the top level who doesn't have a linking man knitting everything together - you're actually taking away our one player of that type because you're dissatisfied with his defensive contribution.

Unless you have a front line of immense productivity, you cannot just forgo the midfield components that enable the forwards to play, even then, when Barcelona has M.S.N. up front, they had the like of Iniesta feeding them.

And there's a big difference between a midfielder at the top of the midfield coming back to help, and one who can actually put himself about in the proper way: blocking passing lanes, tracking runners to the very end of *their* run, being positionally aware, adept at spotting danger or ghosting runs. Lampard, for example was a studious offensive midfielder, but he was crap as a two-way one, you'd not accuse him of being lazy simply because his offensive output made his poorness behind the halfway line redundant.

His running stats prove he is not lazy, which you accused him of being, all the rest I've already explained why he falls short with. You're looking at an offensive midfielder and expecting him to do the job of a two-way or even a defensive midfielder, which makes as much sense as demanding 15 goals a season and a massive impact in the attacking third from a Carrick or Matic.

There are a lot of sticks Pogba can be beaten with for his lack of world class output, the defensive side of his game is not one of them. We didn't buy a player under false advertising - he has always been the same, so if we're trying to change that, then we are at fault, not the player.
I'm not just slating him for his defensive contribution. He's massively overrated in general. He's just as frustrating on the ball as he is off it. The amount of times he gets on the ball in midfield and gives it away because he doesn't have the game sense to play it on is incredibly worrying for a player who is supposed to as you say be the connection between midfield and attack.
I appreciate that without Pogba we'll need another midfielder to come in, I'm not saying we won't. But in the summer we need a midfielder to play alongside Matic who can do the things people claim Pogba can. The amount of excuses you read about Pogba is hilarious. The new one is that Alexis keeps moving into Pogba's space, it's embarrassing.
What you're essentially telling me is that Pogba is an "offensive midfielder" fair enough, I've not actually Disagreed with this despite the fact that you keep writing about four paragraphs to explain it.
But then you even go on to say his output isn't up to the scratch of a top class offensive midfielder.
So basically what we have is a midfielder who shouldn't be expected to defend, but doesn't do enough in attack either.
So I'll go back to my original and pretty much only point, we need to drop him and get an actual good midfielder in.
 

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I'm not just slating him for his defensive contribution. He's massively overrated in general. He's just as frustrating on the ball as he is off it. The amount of times he gets on the ball in midfield and gives it away because he doesn't have the game sense to play it on is incredibly worrying for a player who is supposed to as you say be the connection between midfield and attack.
I appreciate that without Pogba we'll need another midfielder to come in, I'm not saying we won't. But in the summer we need a midfielder to play alongside Matic who can do the things people claim Pogba can. The amount of excuses you read about Pogba is hilarious. The new one is that Alexis keeps moving into Pogba's space, it's embarrassing.
What you're essentially telling me is that Pogba is an "offensive midfielder" fair enough, I've not actually Disagreed with this despite the fact that you keep writing about four paragraphs to explain it.
But then you even go on to say his output isn't up to the scratch of a top class offensive midfielder.
So basically what we have is a midfielder who shouldn't be expected to defend, but doesn't do enough in attack either.
So I'll go back to my original and pretty much only point, we need to drop him and get an actual good midfielder in.
You shouldn't masquerade when you might as well say: 'I don't like Pogba.' It would cut out 'the paragraphs' I'm writing. You've basically gone from 'he's lazy' to he's a waste of a position irrespective. In this sense, it is you over-writing when you could just cut it down to a single sentence.
 
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You shouldn't masquerade when you might as well say: 'I don't like Pogba.' It would cut out 'the paragraphs' I'm writing. You've basically gone from 'he's lazy' to he's a waste of a position irrespective. In this sense, it is you over-writing when you could just cut it down to a single sentence.
He is lazy, that's a fact. But as I keep saying my original point is we shouldn't be picking him, which I fully believe in.
Out of the two of us you've over written mate, that's just deflecting when you say that anyway though. I don't dislike Pogba, I have nothing against him as a guy, how can I when I've never met him? What I don't like is how he plays when he's in our midfield.
Him being lazy is one of a multitude of reason why he's a waste of a position in our team. I don't care about Pogba, I care about my club.
 

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To be honest

'Lazy'
and
'Lazy off the ball'

Are very different things. Pogba is not lazy, as he does quite a lot of running per game. But he is lazy off the ball, or perhaps he simply doesn't see the game that way.
 

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To be honest

'Lazy'
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'Lazy off the ball'

Are very different things. Pogba is not lazy, as he does quite a lot of running per game. But he is lazy off the ball, or perhaps he simply doesn't see the game that way.
Does he? I can't find any website that has individual player run stats for the PL. I guess Opta track it because various news pieces have come out on them, but I can't seem to find anything myself.

My eyes would tell me he doesn't work that hard, but I'm fully willing to accept that I may be being misled by his running style.
 

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He is lazy, that's a fact. But as I keep saying my original point is we shouldn't be picking him, which I fully believe in.
Out of the two of us you've over written mate, that's just deflecting when you say that anyway though. I don't dislike Pogba, I have nothing against him as a guy, how can I when I've never met him? What I don't like is how he plays when he's in our midfield.
Him being lazy is one of a multitude of reason why he's a waste of a position in our team. I don't care about Pogba, I care about my club.
This is just circular. You have your opinion of the player, you literally don't care what the 'facts' say as they disprove the notion of laziness - he covers ample distance per game - and someone who is in perpetual motion is going to wrack up km per game.

What you don't like is that an offensive midfielder doesn't know the tenets of being another type of midfielder, which, as I say, makes as much sense as lambasting a Carrick or Matic for their, in those terms, inadequate contributions to the attack.

That you blame Pogba for not being another type of midfielder is just absurd.
 

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This is just circular. You have your opinion of the player, you literally don't care what the 'facts' say as they disprove the notion of laziness - he covers ample distance per game - and someone who is in perpetual motion is going to wrack up km per game.

What you don't like is that an offensive midfielder doesn't know the tenets of being another type of midfielder, which, as I say, makes as much sense as lambasting a Carrick or Matic for their, in those terms, inadequate contributions to the attack.

That you blame Pogba for not being another type of midfielder is just absurd.
You've referenced them three times now. If you have the stats it would be great if you could post them.
 

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You've referenced them three times now. If you have the stats it would be great if you could post them.
In the CL this season, Pogba averages 10.75 Km per 90 mins. This figure is lower than that of Matic and McTominay who both average 11.5 km. Herrera 11.6 km. However, Pogba runs further than most of the team. Lingard 12.1 km. Typically full-backs and attackers (Martial, Lukaku) are around 9 km. Of course, the number of high intensity sprints is likely to be more important than the total distance covered.

Stats come from http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2018/statistics/round=2000881/players/index.html
 
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In the CL this season, Pogba averages 10.75 Km per 90 mins. This figure is lower than that of Matic and McTominay who both average 11.5 km. However, Pogba runs further than most of the team. I think Mata and Lingard run around quite a lot but I can't be bothered working out the numbers. Typically full-backs and attackers are around 9 km.

Stats come from http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2018/statistics/round=2000881/players/index.html

Didn't he only play about 3 games only in CL ?
 

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In the CL this season, Pogba averages 10.75 Km per 90 mins. This figure is lower than that of Matic and McTominay who both average 11.5 km. However, Pogba runs further than most of the team. I think Mata and Lingard run around quite a lot but I can't be bothered working out the numbers. Typically full-backs and attackers are around 9 km.

Stats come from http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2018/statistics/round=2000881/players/index.html
Didn't he only play about 3 games only in CL ?
I worked these numbers out myself and concluded that they came out a bit below the average for a midfielder according to what I could find (11.2 km/pg) based on the minutes he actually played, but didn't post them because I thought the sample size was too small to make any meaningful conclusions possible. We need the PL stats really.
 

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Didn't he only play about 3 games only in CL ?
The UEFA website gives the total distance covered and the number of mins played. So divide the distance covered by the number of mins then multiply by 90 to get the average distance covered per game (90 mins).
 
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The UEFA website gives the total distance covered and the number of mins played. So divide the distance covered by the number of mins then multiply by 90 to get the average distance covered per game (90 mins).
Still don't think this stats is fair, whatever we see him lazy or not. He played 2 mainly useless games in the group and against Seville when we played mostly conservative.
 

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In the CL this season, Pogba averages 10.75 Km per 90 mins. This figure is lower than that of Matic and McTominay who both average 11.5 km. Herrera 11.6 km. However, Pogba runs further than most of the team. Lingard 12.1 km. Typically full-backs and attackers (Martial, Lukaku) are around 9 km. Of course, the number of high intensity sprints is likely to be more important than the total distance covered.

Stats come from http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2018/statistics/round=2000881/players/index.html
This is a good point. There is no doubt Pogba covers a lot of ground, given the role he plays. It’s maybe more about when he’s trotting back to our box it’s always behind the ball and without any purpose.

We also know he wanders so, again, he’ll accumulate mileage.

In any event he’s been struggling recently but hopefully he and the team will regain form and will hit the heights again.
 
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