I do think he is overrated on here and amongst United fans.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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No problems with him staying as a squad option but no way should he be starting ANY match for us. A casual cup game player nothing more.
I really don’t see what other people see in him to think he’s a good enough player for united.
I really don’t see what other people see in him to think he’s a good enough player for united.
His through passes forward into space or teammates are absolutely atrocious (he either doesn't have the ability to do it or those passes aren't coming for him yesterday), but i see Matic absolutely loves playing with him for sure. He sets the big Serb free in a way that he's able to dictate things a little which he likes to do
Think you've hit the nail on the head as to why Jose has been sticking with him. Equally, I think it's somewhat because of this that he's not showing the faith with Pogba - sadly, Matic and McTominay have developed a better pivot in midfield than Pogba and Matic could as a two.
That said, I expect we'll reinforce this summer and McTominay will become a bit part player at best next season.
He wasnt one of our best players at all. Valencia pooped on our midfield and dominated us like it was men against boys.
Having said that, my point wasnt that he doesnt have the maturity to play in a big match. Its that playing in a big match with big consequences can lead to being scapegoated and unfairly treated by the fans. And thats where I think it was probably a good idea he didnt play. In fact by not playing it boosted his reputation in some ways with some people being quick to blame Fellaini's start instead of him for the loss.
He suits our current system perfectly. By that I mean he is defensively solid and lacks any flair and technical ability
This seems harsh. He seems to be quite good technically.
He's as technically adept as Tom Cleverley. All he does is pass backwards and sideways
But that has nothing to do with technique. His touch and awareness around him are quite good even if as you say he doesn't do much if anything with his passing.
He will need to kick on though. It's all well keeping it safe and simple but at some point he will need to take responsibility and drive forward and look threatening.
I didn't once see him do this yesterday;it was all very negative
Cleverley was much better passer than him at the time, SAF told him to play it safe to keep it ticking and building a confidence and than try maybe more difficult passes, that's also with McTominay but when the time comes he's not able to see the pass quick enough and move the ball quickly enough.
You could see yesterday that he often pass to the heels of player or just give the ball away passing to no man's land because the reciever is just somewhere else. Passing is something you develop a lot in a young age so you can refine it later in your career. McTominay clearly don't have it and he perhaps is tall and can cover the ground and fight for the ball but then he could go to do MMA or something.
Not sure if Joyce played him in the reserves up top because we didn't have any other decent option and he was quite physically developed or because he was simply shit for a midfielder, probably a combination of both. His inclusion in the team is a mystery. I'd even take Redmond over him and that says a lot. He's at least an actual midfielder
Yeah I agree with that. Midfielders need to be able to a lot more with the ball to be playing for United than what McTominay has showed so far. Cleverely was a better passer and he wasn't good enough.
Still, he's got time on his side. Let's hope his passing improves in the next couple of years.
As recently as last season he was playing a striker so is clearly capable of being more attacking. I just think he’s playing safe because he’s lacking in confidence. Like everyone else in the team.
I bet you didn't stick your neck out and say this after the Chelsea or Liverpool game?
It's funny that some posters have obviously been waiting for weeks for a bad performance from him, so they can come out of hiding and proclaim he's not good enough.
Still don't see it. I get that he's not doing too much wrong but is that really what we want from a starting Manchester United midfielder? If he wasn't a youth product and we'd signed him from somewhere this place would apoplectic. Justifiably.
The desire to play youth has to be tempered with the desire to be really good on the pitch. At present, if he's one of the players in the XI having the most touches, the odds are slim we'll create much.
Clearly will stick around as a squad player, but still can't see anything other than him being another of our long list of 'solid mid-bottom table prem players' that we produce with regularity.
The desire to play youth has to be tempered with the desire to be really good on the pitch. At present, if he's one of the players in the XI having the most touches, the odds are slim we'll create much.
Clearly will stick around as a squad player, but still can't see anything other than him being another of our long list of 'solid mid-bottom table prem players' that we produce with regularity.
He is not at the required level yet to be starting games for us week in week out.
He looks a fantastic prospect though, that could become a very good player for us in the future.
He looks a fantastic prospect though, that could become a very good player for us in the future.
Extremely average player. He's just another Cleverly - a reasonably 'alright' midfielder who doesn't offer anything specific other than a bit of energy and enthusiasm. Nowhere near good enough to be starting for a team with apparent title ambitions. Needs to be demoted to a useful squad/rotation option for next season.
Thought he was average in defence, but offensively poor again. The majority of his attempts at adventurous passes were diabolical. I only see him having a chance of making it here if we model him into a DM that screens the defence, breaks up play and passes on to more creative players ahead of him.
I’ve said since he was first put in the squad he isn’t good enough, a couple of slightly above average games doesn’t change the fact he’s nowhere near the quality we should have at united. He’s WBA, Stoke level.
I think he'll be a very useful player for us. I didn't rate him one bit after his first few games but he was excellent against Chelsea and Liverpool.
Well.. do we have good option otherwise at the moment? No.
- Pogba's form is rubbish recently.
- Scott brings out the best of our best midfield key-est player Matic on top form atm.
- Prefer Fellaini at CDM? in midfield two with Matic?
- Prefer Carrick to play more? who is retiring?
Yeap, the difference is huge, in comparison to when Matic played next to Pogba, where Matic had to hold his run more and play more conservative to complement Paul. Playing wild like B2B and playing more dictating role is much better for Matic, as he have shown to be capable at that, and actually that good at it.
Scott's playstyle is more holding and defensive, so it helps set Matic loose.Zidane, Scholes, Arsenal debut last season (I just remember that) and Giggs.
A lot of people don't really rate him, in fact he gets labelled as 'can do a job' player. Wouldn't classify that as overrating him to be fair.
I don't really see any hype, we've had some injuries and he's come in and done ok. I've yet to see anyone say he's the future of our CM but it's admirable hes getting game time and performing to a decent level in the PL.
I fully expect to see him, Axel, TFM in the squad next year and getting decent minutes. I do expect Jose will try and lure a big name CM here though which means McT will become a good bench option or go on loan.
I fully expect to see him, Axel, TFM in the squad next year and getting decent minutes. I do expect Jose will try and lure a big name CM here though which means McT will become a good bench option or go on loan.
No place for Pereira?
I would like to see it but I think he'll be sold - I remember Mou saying he wanted him to stay & then also Pereira made some comments about not wanting to return early which will probably rub Jose up the wrong way as well. TBH I think we could use someone like him now given Matic is basically our best DM, CM and AM at the moment.
I agree with your assessment but I hope Mourinho gives him a chance. I don't see how the kid thought playing two straight seasons on loan in Spain would benefit him going forward. It seems to me he just enjoys playing and living in Spain so maybe his future lies there.
Hmm, I think he's just rightly rated here. He did the job well, and no one thinks he'll become our first name on the team sheet in the future.
Just a useful squad player, who offers something useful to the team, especially atm. Any football seasons won by the whole squad anyway, not just the first star 11.
Maybe some posts sounds like over the top. Didn't see any though.
We’ve won every game bar one he’s played in this season (Sevilla draw), but he’s not good enough. Right.
He keeps the midfield stable that allows our side to attack going forward. Such a under rated aspect of football is knowing and holding your position.
He keeps the midfield stable that allows our side to attack going forward. Such a under rated aspect of football is knowing and holding your position.
We lost to Newcastle and Bristol City.
Apologies - was using a tweet I saw as source.
Newcastle game is a bit daft to blame him as he only played 13 mins and the damage was done by the point.
I would say it’s only since the Stoke game onwards that he’s become a permanent fixture in the side. Before that I think Jose saw him more as a youth player making up numbers.
I think there's been too much hype for him, I see nothing special in McTominay, he's a hard working player but don't see him as a game changer now or anytime in the future. But In my opinion is better to have McTominay's than Blinds, Fellaini's, Herrera's and all those other average players we have bought.
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Yet I'd be surprised if he doesn't go the Cleverley route, in all honesty. I do think he can be useful if we develop him in the right player, but I hope we don't try to make him something he is not. For example there were comments he should be Matic's successor, I don't think he is as talented, and if anything we would need an upgrade on Matic not downgrade.
@Kostov Oh wait, yeah I remember some posts are like that. 
Well, I just take those as some fans being overly excited overpraising him. I say most who supports him are rightly rating him, as he is, and not which he is not.
Actually the Cleverley route.. there are two routes i.e. the Clev (1) before and (2) after his big injury.
---Clev was so good before that (remember his combo with Anderson, they were so good), a tidy player with good attacking movement and passes, link-up plays, good energy, hungry plays, and a certain attacking cutting edge, not too spectacular but helps everyone plays better, basically a very good motivated supporting player with good all-around talents and attacking minded, fulfilling his potential.
---And then the injury, he just stops trying after that, opting to become a passenger in games, ridiculous safe passes after another and actually spend time hiding a lot, no longer that hungry nor attacking. His partner Anderson also stops trying. SAF had to moved him around, and eventually to CDM, with a very simple role, helping the defend being an extra body and keep safe possession at the back, yet largely invisible. Should've done better.
Yes, there is a risk Scott going on that second Clev direction, but I hope not, as long as the manager encourages him to develop and he himself continues to improve his game. Pretty much depends on who our manager is (and on that note, Mourinho is perfect for him) and Scott's motivations. Just continue to develop and not become a waste average who contributes nothing in the squad.
Well, I just take those as some fans being overly excited overpraising him. I say most who supports him are rightly rating him, as he is, and not which he is not.Actually the Cleverley route.. there are two routes i.e. the Clev (1) before and (2) after his big injury.
---Clev was so good before that (remember his combo with Anderson, they were so good), a tidy player with good attacking movement and passes, link-up plays, good energy, hungry plays, and a certain attacking cutting edge, not too spectacular but helps everyone plays better, basically a very good motivated supporting player with good all-around talents and attacking minded, fulfilling his potential.
---And then the injury, he just stops trying after that, opting to become a passenger in games, ridiculous safe passes after another and actually spend time hiding a lot, no longer that hungry nor attacking. His partner Anderson also stops trying. SAF had to moved him around, and eventually to CDM, with a very simple role, helping the defend being an extra body and keep safe possession at the back, yet largely invisible. Should've done better.
Yes, there is a risk Scott going on that second Clev direction, but I hope not, as long as the manager encourages him to develop and he himself continues to improve his game. Pretty much depends on who our manager is (and on that note, Mourinho is perfect for him) and Scott's motivations. Just continue to develop and not become a waste average who contributes nothing in the squad.
Nah mate. When I say the Cleverley route I mean a youth product that at the beginning we all want him to make it, some overrate him and after a while you realize that he is just not good enough.@Kostov Oh wait, yeah I remember some posts are like that.
Actually the Cleverley route.. there are two routes i.e. the Clev (1) before and (2) after his big injury.
---Clev was so good before that (remember his combo with Anderson, they were so good), a tidy player with good attacking movement and passes, link-up plays, good energy, hungry plays, and a certain attacking cutting edge, not too spectacular but helps everyone plays better, basically a very good motivated supporting player with good all-around talents and attacking minded, fulfilling his potential.
---And then the injury, he just stops trying after that, opting to become a passenger in games, ridiculous safe passes after another and actually spend time hiding a lot, no longer that hungry nor attacking. His partner Anderson also stops trying. SAF had to moved him around, and eventually to CDM, with a very simple role, helping the defend being an extra body and keep safe possession at the back, yet largely invisible. Should've done better.
Yes, there is a risk Scott going on that second Clev direction, but I hope not, as long as the manager encourages him to develop and he himself continues to improve his game. Pretty much depends on who our manager is (and on that note, Mourinho is perfect for him) and Scott's motivations. Just continue to develop and not become a waste average who contributes nothing in the squad.
I'm sorry but I could never say Cleverley was ''so good'', he never was in my opinion. He was a good pass and move midfielder that obviously would have been found out sooner or later. You can't be a midfield player at Manchester United and when your best quality is movement and 3m passes. There were people on here rating Cleverley as a better player than Wilshire while it was obvious he lacked the talent for the highest level. I actually rated Anderson much higher.
I hope we find a role for McTominay and he stays here at least as a squad player, he is young and if we develop him as the right type of a midfielder that would be great.
I’d imagine he’ll make his debut and start for Scotland tonight against Costa Rica.
Gonna be at the game, interested to see how it goes.
Is it hard to understand that McTominay came into the first team under a special circumstance, and was instructed by his manager to play in a certain kind of way? Nothing more, nothing less. A greenhorn, playing before large crowds and donning the jersey of a big, big club, was not daunted by the occasion and carried his manager's instructions to a T. We don't know, nor do we have any way of knowing, if he is capable of more. That test will come. If he is found wanting then, he will fade away, like scores of others before him.
Until then, give him some breathing space. Laud him for what he has done, and wait for better things to happen. Jump on him when he becomes a regular trooper, benching others more deserving of the spot, and plays badly.
Those zombie critics above, are they United supporters? I sometimes wonder.
Until then, give him some breathing space. Laud him for what he has done, and wait for better things to happen. Jump on him when he becomes a regular trooper, benching others more deserving of the spot, and plays badly.
Those zombie critics above, are they United supporters? I sometimes wonder.
Well yes we are capable of knowing as he has a whole youth career. If he wasn't capable of things at youth level then it's fair to think he won't be capable of it at senior level either.
Mourinho, who presumably knows a little about football, must have thought him capable then. Simple.
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