Feeling the same. Do feel that next season he has to win it or be within a hairs width of it. If he doesn’t win it playing this brand of football then surely the tides will really start to turn.Very true, we just have to come to terms with the Jose way unfortunately.
The sad part about it, is that I can't really get excited about this summer's transfer window, because after 2 years and 4 transfer windows I have got the feeling it doesn't matter who we buy we will continue to play this dire football. The only concern I have at the moment, is that if you go by the media(95% cr@p) we seem to be linked with a lot of 29-30 year old ready made players who will be looking for a final contract/payday.
Nobody is expecting or saying this.Apart from the Seville game Mourinho is doing well I’d say this season. B grade.
Next season would help if our own fans acrually supported the team and the manager without trashing them first opportunities.
The biased media and other fans aready do that part. It seems some of our fans won’t be happy unused we win 5-0 every game- it’s entitled and ridiculous.
Yes we’re the biggest club in England and the world, but don’t expect that to mean we’ll walk over everyone every season. In about a year/two we’ll be at our best. Until then enjoy the journey!
That depends on the type of individual you are, you've clearly been following the club longer than I've been alive but I could care less that style of football City and Liverpool playIt’s hard to be positive with the style of football we’re being served up, and worse, watching you’re two main rivals play great football.
This is what I think as well.I don't think Mourinho with the kind of football he has Utd playing, will survive next season without winning the league.
Very true.I'd also argue that we haven't played breathtaking attacking football for almost 10 years and that obviously includes Fergies final few seasons
Great post, this forum is the written equivalent of AFTVSpot on. I said somewhere last night that, with all due respect, United fans seem to be the most harshest in the division at the moment. It’s crazy to see United fans lauding Poch when you’re streets ahead of him and/or Klopp when you’ve beaten him fair and square over two legs.
You underestimate your own manager as players and that’s never a recipe for success. For a team to truly succeed the 12th man (fans) need to be on side. Liverpool didn’t stop singing and screaming from start to finish last night. You’d think Klopp was Shankly the way they go about things. He’s bombed two finals for them and still hasn’t won fook all. You have won 2 pots with your manager and could win one more by seasons end. You wouldn’t know it by all the negativity amongst your support.
Think it’s time your fans matured a bit. Time to school the youngsters that Woodward’s about to integrate into Old Trafford to start making noise.
Of course nobody says it. It’s the feeling I get on here though, maybe I’m wrong but it seems some people love to put unrealistic expectations on us and then slate the team afterwards. That’s a recipe for negativity.Nobody is expecting or saying this.
Your wrong.Of course nobody says it. It’s the feeling I get on here though, maybe I’m wrong but it seems some people love to put unrealistic expectations on us and then slate the team afterwards. That’s a recipe for negativity.
I agree I don't really have much of an issue with our form, I think we are in the correct league position as i would say we have the second best squad in the league and are second. Yes going out to Seville was disappointing, but results like that happen in knock out tournaments, just look at the city results last night. Yes the style of play is depressing, but that's Mourinho's style, its what we should of all been expecting, and he has been very successful with it, I mean we basically parked the bus to winning the Europa League last season, he did the same thing with Porto and Inter to win the champions league, so of course he was going to do it versus Seville.I think Sanchez was something just seemed to unfold and we had to act to get him if we wanted him at the time, and then had to shoe-horn him into the side. The summer signings should be longstanding targets and strengthen the overall squad.
Never know how they will work out, been a lot of disappointments over the years (di Maria, Falco) but we are making progress and we will build on that next year. The "blip" in December and going out against Sevilla aside, this season has been pretty good and I think a couple of much needed signings should have us back to where we should be next year, or thereabouts anyway.
If Mourinho is here or not is another thing though. But if he's not we will be leaving a stronger side than this years for the next manager.
So you speak for every fan? How can you possibly say I’m wrong..Your wrong.
And it's assumptions like this that ruin genuine discussion.
The fans demanding a better brand of football aren't demanding 5-0 wins every time.
I have not met a single neutral (I have lots of reasonable friends that don't support United ) say we are fun to watch. Some people have genuine reasons to demand a brief of football more pleasing on the eye.
Our team has a pretty decent balance of youth and experience at the minute and I'd expect his signings to improve the team regardless of age.I dunno if i agree he will leave a stronger squad or not, simply it depends on who Mourinho brings in this summer and who the manager is who replaces him. If Mourinho brings in a load of late 20's maybe early 30's players this summer, then leaves and we bring in a manager who like an energetic young team then we have an issue. similar to the way Van Gaal left a young promising team and Mourinho likes an experienced seasoned team..... So i do think we have to be wary of who we bring in this summer and how much control over signings we let Mourinho have.
Your claim was that the people complaining expect 5-0 every game. I'm saying that claim is wrong.So you speak for every fan? How can you possibly say I’m wrong..
Of course neutrals don’t say we’re fun to watch..I actually think we’ve been pretty exciting at times for a team in transition. A lot of 4-0’s, great results against big teams in the league.
How do you define ‘pleasing’ football? Pass pass city football bores me to tears. Counter attacking is better for me but then you’ll see people say how much more possession other teams have.
Basically you can support the team, have concerns but not add to the negativy on things that the media/other fans already do
Again you don’t know that’s wrong. I get the feeling some people just will never be happy.Your claim was that the people complaining expect 5-0 every game. I'm saying that claim is wrong.
I won't get into argument about how exciting or boring we are and what "transition" has to do with that.
I agree with most of what your saying, I do think how unlikable the guy is affecting peoples opinions, but i also think if the football was more entertaining people would be more forgiving.The sooner people admit the problem is they dont like jose the sooner we can move on.
All this hilly billy negativity starts from there.
Shit football, outdated manager, past his sell date, etc are just the byproduct of it.
If this was Moyes winning 2 cups and finishing 2nd most of us will think he's saf reincarnated.
I'd rather people just admit they don't like him. At least we got that one out in the open.
I never heard a neutral fan or pundit describe us as good to watch in the last 25 years. Basically because for much of that time, if not all of it, people could point to teams better to watch....quite easily.....and the fact we are hated.Your wrong.
And it's assumptions like this that ruin genuine discussion.
The fans demanding a better brand of football aren't demanding 5-0 wins every time.
I have not met a single neutral (I have lots of reasonable friends that don't support United ) say we are fun to watch. Some people have genuine reasons to demand a brief of football more pleasing on the eye.
I enjoy like 90% of our football. Just because you don't doesnt mean nobody does.We simply have to win the title if we're going to keep playing this style of football. Nobody enjoys it but the reason we were OK with it last season was because Mourinho was settling in and needed time to shift some of the dead wood. He still has some dead wood to clear now but next season he'll have almost an entire team of his signings. If he doesn't deliver and the football is still shitte he has to go. There's only so much we can take of his shite football if it isn't winning titles. I can handle shite football for a short time if it wins titles. But I can't handle shite football and no results to back it up.
Huh? Many spoke of that team with Ronaldo Tevez and Rooney as one of his best and most exciting teams. That’s wasn’t 25years ago. The season after the Ronaldo,Rooney Euro incident was possibly one of the best seasons for excitement and performance, we were awesome to watch.I never heard a neutral fan or pundit describe us as good to watch in the last 25 years. Basically because for much of that time, if not all of it, people could point to teams better to watch....quite easily.....and the fact we are hated.
It's the feeling you get because people say ridiculous things - the sort of things like you just said - which just perpetuates this myth on here that fans demand that we win the league 'cause it's our god given right. Or that we should sweep aside anyone and everyone because we are United. That's not the case for the vast majority.Of course nobody says it. It’s the feeling I get on here though, maybe I’m wrong but it seems some people love to put unrealistic expectations on us and then slate the team afterwards. That’s a recipe for negativity.
2 cups and possibly finishind 2nd is not a result?We simply have to win the title if we're going to keep playing this style of football. Nobody enjoys it but the reason we were OK with it last season was because Mourinho was settling in and needed time to shift some of the dead wood. He still has some dead wood to clear now but next season he'll have almost an entire team of his signings. If he doesn't deliver and the football is still shitte he has to go. There's only so much we can take of his shite football if it isn't winning titles. I can handle shite football for a short time if it wins titles. But I can't handle shite football and no results to back it up.
They demand that the manager that finished 2nd with 2 cups removed. I find that ridiculous.It's the feeling you get because people say ridiculous things - the sort of things like you just said - which just perpetuates this myth on here that fans demand that we win the league 'cause it's our god given right. Or that we should sweep aside anyone and everyone because we are United. That's not the case for the vast majority.
Much of the criticism stems from the fact that our football for the most part is not great and severely lacks direction. It's a criticism that's valid. I don't see anybody demanding ridiculous things. Granted, some people are a little more vociferous in their criticism but that doesn't make them entitled for the most part.
Exactly. And it’s a common theme.They demand that the manager that finished 2nd with 2 cups removed. I find that ridiculous.
Well, that's fine if you find it ridiculous. That's you're opinion on the matter. I'm not saying you have to agree with the criticisms, i just find a lot of them valid. I don't particularly want him to be sacked now as i still believe he can get us playing decent football and challenging for the league properly next season.They demand that the manager that finished 2nd with 2 cups removed. I find that ridiculous.
You got the two in there. Well done.Exactly. And it’s a common theme.
I agree if it’s the wrong person (Moyes) then people, including myself, were right to say it’s sll very well having stability but with the wrong man it’s pointless.
However we have Jose Mourinho as manager. We’re improving our league position, winning trophies. I think people just have an agenda against him or are entitled. Oh and our football isn’t boring at all-look at the many 4-0’s we’ve had and beating Liverpool and Chelsea quite comfortably. People on here went quiet after that until the next not so great result.
Keeping negativity aside, I would really like Mourinho to implement the Liverpool style of play. We may not have the personnel to play Man City style of football but certainly should be able to play Klopp style.
Sanchez, Martial and Lukaku should be just as good of an attack as Salah, Firmino and Mane?
We have a better midfield and defense and goalkeeper than Liverpool surely.
I thought that. United fans thought that......I could ask a spurs fan about the kind of football they are known for...or even the West Ham way.....The British media at no time shared your view of how Manchester United play football.....we were lucky, bribed refs, fergie time!Huh? Many spoke of that team with Ronaldo Tevez and Rooney as one of his best and most exciting teams. That’s wasn’t 25years ago. The season after the Ronaldo,Rooney Euro incident was possibly one of the best seasons for excitement and performance, we were awesome to watch.
Haha... thanks but you've got to give credit where it's due. Liverpool have completely outplayed City in 2 out of 3 games and even in the game where Liverpool lost to City at the Etihad, they dominated the game until Mane got sent off. So where 18 other teams have failed to bamboozle City this season, Liverpool have been pretty effective and they've not required to park the bus. I just want Mourinho and our team to send Pep a sign of what to expect next season by dominating City at their home. But Mourinho will mostly likely defend.You're a brave man suggesting something like that on a United forum. Fair play.
BullshitI thought that. United fans thought that......I could ask a spurs fan about the kind of football they are known for...or even the West Ham way.....The British media at no time shared your view of how Manchester United play football.....we were lucky, bribed refs, fergie time!
Well we're in agreement there. The game on Saturday means nothing for this season really. It's all about gearing up for next season.Haha... thanks but you've got to give credit where it's due. Liverpool have completely outplayed City in 2 out of 3 games and even in the game where Liverpool lost to City at the Etihad, they dominated the game until Mane got sent off. So where 18 other teams have failed to bamboozle City this season, Liverpool have been pretty effective and they've not required to park the bus. I just want Mourinho and our team to send Pep a sign of what to expect next season by dominating City at their home. But Mourinho will mostly likely defend.
There is an overhaul that is definitely necessary in this club. We need to get through to the players in a way that they understand. We are one of the Europe's elite clubs and we belong in the Semi finals of the UEFA CL every year. If it means sacking Jose, so be it. Honestly, i think Jose can take us there next year because i'm sure he has more plans for MUFC than any of us because he is assured so much confidence in terms of the financial status and the star studded line-up that we have. Although there are some key areas that we need to address. Back in the day or even when Chelsea last won the league when Jose was manager, the impact of Wingbacks was far less than it is right now. They're more part of the attack than keeping the shape. Jose still likes Valencia and Young because they have no clue as to how a traditional wingback would play. Valencia makes the same runs he used to make as a winger and still sends volleys or crosses the way he used to when he was a winger. The same goes to Young, he runs away from the opponent wingback and tries to cross the ball. Whereas if you watch Shaw and his movement, you'd see that he's more direct and plays on the defender's mind.Was having a think about next season and whether I see a genuine title challenge from us or not and came to the conclusion the answer probably relies on two factors
1- New signings
2- whether the current negativity subsideds before this season ends
I was looking at where it all went wrong for Mourinho at Chelsea and it started with not being backed in the transfer market the summer before his exit, that I don't believe will happen here as we've always backed our managers in the transfer market. The current negativity around the club though does worry me
1- the fans aren't happy with the manager's comments and his style of play
2- The Pogba situation
3- The left wing position to which the media are putting pressure on us to play Rashford, the fans want Martial and Jose obviously prefers Sanchez
I can't quite pinpoint when the negativity really came to the forefront but certainly a lot weren't happy even before the UCL exit (a lot weren't happy with the performances in the wins against Chelsea and Liverpool for example)
Anyone else feel next season could be destablised before it's even begun due to the above issues (or others) before it's even started and if so what do you think we should do to address them?
See the poll in jose assessment thread. Tell me there's no agenda there when almost a third of united fans wants the second best manager in the world to be sacked while still sitting 2nd and won 2 cups less than 12 mths ago.Well, that's fine if you find it ridiculous. That's you're opinion on the matter. I'm not saying you have to agree with the criticisms, i just find a lot of them valid. I don't particularly want him to be sacked now as i still believe he can get us playing decent football and challenging for the league properly next season.
By the same token, as unbelievable as it may sound to you, i don't necessarily find the people who want him gone to be that ridiculous either. The football is...not great. There's not much joy there and some people elevate that above actually winning trophies, etc. Don't necessarily agree but i also don't find it to be "entitled" either. Just a reductive way of arguing when that word is thrown around so liberally, imo.
Mate, there's a variety of reasons why fans may want him gone. Perhaps they really dislike the football which isn't great. Some fans priorities the style of football over winning at all costs. Perhaps it's the sniping and snide remarks he makes towards the fans in the stadium. Perhaps it's the ludicrous excuses he comes out with after a particularly bad performance/result. Perhaps it's the nonsensical shite he said after the Sevilla game. Perhaps it's his general demeanour; the guy is a bit of a miserable prick tbh.See the poll in jose assessment thread. Tell me there's no agenda there when almost a third of united fans wants the second best manager in the world to be sacked while still sitting 2nd and won 2 cups less than 12 mths ago.