I don't think Mourinho with the kind of football he has Utd playing, will survive next season without winning the league.
The current negativity and how will it effect next season?
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Feeling the same. Do feel that next season he has to win it or be within a hairs width of it. If he doesn’t win it playing this brand of football then surely the tides will really start to turn.
But meh it is what it is. Manchester United will be here a lot longer than Jose will so just have to bide our time I guess.
Nobody is expecting or saying this.
That depends on the type of individual you are, you've clearly been following the club longer than I've been alive but I could care less that style of football City and Liverpool play
I'd also argue that we haven't played breathtaking attacking football for almost 10 years and that obviously includes Fergies final few seasons
This is what I think as well.
If we're still seeing the same tumescent stuff, we better be on top of the table.
Very true.
Our first few games of the season were all 4-0 wins and we have the capability to do it as well, so there's no reason we can't do it more often either.
Great post, this forum is the written equivalent of AFTV
Of course nobody says it. It’s the feeling I get on here though, maybe I’m wrong but it seems some people love to put unrealistic expectations on us and then slate the team afterwards. That’s a recipe for negativity.
Your wrong.
And it's assumptions like this that ruin genuine discussion.
The fans demanding a better brand of football aren't demanding 5-0 wins every time.
I have not met a single neutral (I have lots of reasonable friends that don't support United ) say we are fun to watch. Some people have genuine reasons to demand a brief of football more pleasing on the eye.
I agree I don't really have much of an issue with our form, I think we are in the correct league position as i would say we have the second best squad in the league and are second. Yes going out to Seville was disappointing, but results like that happen in knock out tournaments, just look at the city results last night. Yes the style of play is depressing, but that's Mourinho's style, its what we should of all been expecting, and he has been very successful with it, I mean we basically parked the bus to winning the Europa League last season, he did the same thing with Porto and Inter to win the champions league, so of course he was going to do it versus Seville.
I dunno if i agree he will leave a stronger squad or not, simply it depends on who Mourinho brings in this summer and who the manager is who replaces him. If Mourinho brings in a load of late 20's maybe early 30's players this summer, then leaves and we bring in a manager who like an energetic young team then we have an issue. similar to the way Van Gaal left a young promising team and Mourinho likes an experienced seasoned team..... So i do think we have to be wary of who we bring in this summer and how much control over signings we let Mourinho have.
I'm a glass half full type a guy so I try not to let negativity rule my life. The way I see it we have improved. Not as much as I would like; but we have. A RB, RW and another CM is all I think we need. If we could attack on the right as we do on the left; We'd kick ass.
I don't think Jose is going to change the way he plays. With better right sided players though i'm optimistic next season will be worth waiting for.
Remember lads be positive.
I don't think Jose is going to change the way he plays. With better right sided players though i'm optimistic next season will be worth waiting for.
Remember lads be positive.
The sooner people admit the problem is they dont like jose the sooner we can move on.
All this hilly billy negativity starts from there.
Shit football, outdated manager, past his sell date, etc are just the byproduct of it.
If this was moyes winning 2 cups and finishing 2nd most of us will think he's saf reincarnated.
I'd rather people just admit they dont like him. At least we got that one out in the open.
All this hilly billy negativity starts from there.
Shit football, outdated manager, past his sell date, etc are just the byproduct of it.
If this was moyes winning 2 cups and finishing 2nd most of us will think he's saf reincarnated.
I'd rather people just admit they dont like him. At least we got that one out in the open.
So you speak for every fan? How can you possibly say I’m wrong..
Of course neutrals don’t say we’re fun to watch..I actually think we’ve been pretty exciting at times for a team in transition. A lot of 4-0’s, great results against big teams in the league.
How do you define ‘pleasing’ football? Pass pass city football bores me to tears. Counter attacking is better for me but then you’ll see people say how much more possession other teams have.
Basically you can support the team, have concerns but not add to the negativy on things that the media/other fans already do
Our team has a pretty decent balance of youth and experience at the minute and I'd expect his signings to improve the team regardless of age.
He's the manager, he should have full control over them and if he doesn't then we should really change managers before the summer starts, and that's never going to happen.
I think we'll improve on this year and football forums are always going to be full of people complaining
We simply have to win the title if we're going to keep playing this style of football. Nobody enjoys it but the reason we were OK with it last season was because Mourinho was settling in and needed time to shift some of the dead wood. He still has some dead wood to clear now but next season he'll have almost an entire team of his signings. If he doesn't deliver and the football is still shitte he has to go. There's only so much we can take of his shite football if it isn't winning titles. I can handle shite football for a short time if it wins titles. But I can't handle shite football and no results to back it up.
Your claim was that the people complaining expect 5-0 every game. I'm saying that claim is wrong.
I won't get into argument about how exciting or boring we are and what "transition" has to do with that.
Again you don’t know that’s wrong. I get the feeling some people just will never be happy.
Me personally I love to see united grind out a hard fought draw away from home if needs be, as long as the boys are fighting for the shirt I don’t care how pleasing on the eye it is.
I agree with most of what your saying, I do think how unlikable the guy is affecting peoples opinions, but i also think if the football was more entertaining people would be more forgiving.
When you think back to before Mourinho was appointed so many fans were desperate for him to come in, he was all things to all men, so many people wouldn't hear a bad word about the guy, reading this forum (and others) back then if you said anything against Mourinho that wasn't how great he was then you would get about 30 replies telling you how stupid you were. Alot of those people who use hail him as the messiah who swore blind that he was an attacking coach are now slating the bloke for his style of football.
For me the same thing is happening to Mourinho that happens to Pulis and Allardyce after been at a club for a while, he comes in does a job getting results the club needs, but after a while, the kind of football they play starts to get to fans and they turn against them.
I never heard a neutral fan or pundit describe us as good to watch in the last 25 years. Basically because for much of that time, if not all of it, people could point to teams better to watch....quite easily.....and the fact we are hated.
I enjoy like 90% of our football. Just because you don't doesnt mean nobody does.
In fact i fan enjoy most football rather than just the few teams who play exciting stuff.
Huh? Many spoke of that team with Ronaldo Tevez and Rooney as one of his best and most exciting teams. That’s wasn’t 25years ago. The season after the Ronaldo,Rooney Euro incident was possibly one of the best seasons for excitement and performance, we were awesome to watch.
It's the feeling you get because people say ridiculous things - the sort of things like you just said - which just perpetuates this myth on here that fans demand that we win the league 'cause it's our god given right. Or that we should sweep aside anyone and everyone because we are United. That's not the case for the vast majority.
Much of the criticism stems from the fact that our football for the most part is not great and severely lacks direction. It's a criticism that's valid. I don't see anybody demanding ridiculous things. Granted, some people are a little more vociferous in their criticism but that doesn't make them entitled for the most part.
At least Mourinho is trying to lighten the place up, by bringing out another Johnny English movie.
2 cups and possibly finishind 2nd is not a result?
Geez talking about entitlement. We do not have a god given right to win it every year. If 2nd isn't good enough for you then we'd have to sacl every manager not winning the league in his first season
They demand that the manager that finished 2nd with 2 cups removed. I find that ridiculous.
Negativity is good as we show our displeasure. Next season we will start fresh. We have been negative all seasons since SAF but whenever we started with wins we have been positive.
Exactly. And it’s a common theme.
I agree if it’s the wrong person (Moyes) then people, including myself, were right to say it’s sll very well having stability but with the wrong man it’s pointless.
However we have Jose Mourinho as manager. We’re improving our league position, winning trophies. I think people just have an agenda against him or are entitled. Oh and our football isn’t boring at all-look at the many 4-0’s we’ve had and beating Liverpool and Chelsea quite comfortably. People on here went quiet after that until the next not so great result.
Well, that's fine if you find it ridiculous. That's you're opinion on the matter. I'm not saying you have to agree with the criticisms, i just find a lot of them valid. I don't particularly want him to be sacked now as i still believe he can get us playing decent football and challenging for the league properly next season.
By the same token, as unbelievable as it may sound to you, i don't necessarily find the people who want him gone to be that ridiculous either. The football is...not great. There's not much joy there and some people elevate that above actually winning trophies, etc. Don't necessarily agree but i also don't find it to be "entitled" either. Just a reductive way of arguing when that word is thrown around so liberally, imo.
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You got the two in there. Well done.
Keeping negativity aside, I would really like Mourinho to implement the Liverpool style of play. We may not have the personnel to play Man City style of football but certainly should be able to play Klopp style.
Sanchez, Martial and Lukaku should be just as good of an attack as Salah, Firmino and Mane?
We have a better midfield and defense and goalkeeper than Liverpool surely.
Sanchez, Martial and Lukaku should be just as good of an attack as Salah, Firmino and Mane?
We have a better midfield and defense and goalkeeper than Liverpool surely.
You're a brave man suggesting something like that on a United forum. Fair play.
I thought that. United fans thought that......I could ask a spurs fan about the kind of football they are known for...or even the West Ham way.....The British media at no time shared your view of how Manchester United play football.....we were lucky, bribed refs, fergie time!
Haha... thanks but you've got to give credit where it's due. Liverpool have completely outplayed City in 2 out of 3 games and even in the game where Liverpool lost to City at the Etihad, they dominated the game until Mane got sent off. So where 18 other teams have failed to bamboozle City this season, Liverpool have been pretty effective and they've not required to park the bus. I just want Mourinho and our team to send Pep a sign of what to expect next season by dominating City at their home. But Mourinho will mostly likely defend.
Bullshit
Well we're in agreement there. The game on Saturday means nothing for this season really. It's all about gearing up for next season.
Something about the thread title's really effecting me.
There is an overhaul that is definitely necessary in this club. We need to get through to the players in a way that they understand. We are one of the Europe's elite clubs and we belong in the Semi finals of the UEFA CL every year. If it means sacking Jose, so be it. Honestly, i think Jose can take us there next year because i'm sure he has more plans for MUFC than any of us because he is assured so much confidence in terms of the financial status and the star studded line-up that we have. Although there are some key areas that we need to address. Back in the day or even when Chelsea last won the league when Jose was manager, the impact of Wingbacks was far less than it is right now. They're more part of the attack than keeping the shape. Jose still likes Valencia and Young because they have no clue as to how a traditional wingback would play. Valencia makes the same runs he used to make as a winger and still sends volleys or crosses the way he used to when he was a winger. The same goes to Young, he runs away from the opponent wingback and tries to cross the ball. Whereas if you watch Shaw and his movement, you'd see that he's more direct and plays on the defender's mind.
We need 2 traditional wingbacks, one solid CB, 2 midfielders to replace the forgone Fellaini and Carrick, 1 forward left footer for the right wing (preferably Bale or Mahrez, for their experience). There are numerous formation that Jose likes to put in the mix during the season and because he's like that, we cannot look for the exact position for which we buy players. He's no more the guy who promised to make signings who are specialists in one position but he has become one who can play in a particular area. Jose will never play the same line-up until he's absolutely sure they can handle any kind of pressure and if not, he tries to find loopholes in the way the opponents play. I agree we blame him a lot but sincerely doubt anybody could've done the same with the squad he received but him. He's a genius who can turn his team into a strict set of 2 lines which can be the least penetrable.
The man's tactics might be negative, he also might not like tiki-taka football, he also doesn't mind opponents having the ball and so on but i think it all boils down to this, it is easier to stop attacks when you are behind the ball than when you are running behind it, right?
Jose's team have always had lower possession rates but also they have had more clean sheets. Not bragging about these facts but that's how forts are built. Shield and then use the Spear (Rashford, Sanchez, Lingard, Pogba, Lukaku,Martial).
If he definitely has to stick to a formation, i'd say go with his favourite 4-2-3-1 itself but i'd 4-2 and 3-1 will have to be linked by Pogba. He should be the one who gets the ball on recovery and the attack must start from there. Hoofing the ball to Lukaku, not winning the second ball. That's out of the window for the next season. I want us to at least play the way RMA did under Jose. Quick forward passes, transition play. I think we can turn this around. Jose will find the appropriate replacements for all the second stream players and we'll do better. Heck Liverpool has a sad back-line but try to analyze how they played against City yesterday, it was out of this world in the first half at least.
Confidence is another factor and and we need to choose an ABLE captain.
See the poll in jose assessment thread. Tell me there's no agenda there when almost a third of united fans wants the second best manager in the world to be sacked while still sitting 2nd and won 2 cups less than 12 mths ago.
Im positive. We're on the right track. Biggest mistake we ever did as a club was letting Moyes succeed Sir Alex and that mistake falls on the great man himself I'm afraid.
Im not even sayin Moyes is that bad but he could never attract the world class players we need to compete with the best of the best.
Van Gaal was always a better choise than Moyes but Morinho was the manager that should have come in after SAF. Now he's here and I think we need to give him a little more time to build his team. There are to many left overs from three different managers at the moment and that makes it difficult for him to make them play the way he wants a successful team to play, still Morinho has won us titles.
If Morinho fails to compete with the best Im pretty sure our club is going to keep on trying to find the right manager who will. ManUnited is a great club and we will never settle for coca-cola titles. We need to stay positive and cheer them on. We need to back our manager and support him, especially when he's winning us titles. We're still in the FA-cup and second in the league at the moment. It was always going to be very hard when the the great man retired but we need to march on. Glory days will come.
Im not even sayin Moyes is that bad but he could never attract the world class players we need to compete with the best of the best.
Van Gaal was always a better choise than Moyes but Morinho was the manager that should have come in after SAF. Now he's here and I think we need to give him a little more time to build his team. There are to many left overs from three different managers at the moment and that makes it difficult for him to make them play the way he wants a successful team to play, still Morinho has won us titles.
If Morinho fails to compete with the best Im pretty sure our club is going to keep on trying to find the right manager who will. ManUnited is a great club and we will never settle for coca-cola titles. We need to stay positive and cheer them on. We need to back our manager and support him, especially when he's winning us titles. We're still in the FA-cup and second in the league at the moment. It was always going to be very hard when the the great man retired but we need to march on. Glory days will come.
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Mate, there's a variety of reasons why fans may want him gone. Perhaps they really dislike the football which isn't great. Some fans priorities the style of football over winning at all costs. Perhaps it's the sniping and snide remarks he makes towards the fans in the stadium. Perhaps it's the ludicrous excuses he comes out with after a particularly bad performance/result. Perhaps it's the nonsensical shite he said after the Sevilla game. Perhaps it's his general demeanour; the guy is a bit of a miserable prick tbh.
Maybe it's a combination of all of these. The point is, stop with this "agenda" shite. It's reductive and bloody paranoid.