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You lose badly in one game and you go out of the cup.Unbelievable
You lose badly in one league game and you have 37 to make it up.
You lose badly in one game and you go out of the cup.Unbelievable
And that's exactly what makes league a superior competition, as every team will have a couple of bad days. Football is also such a volatile game, that a one-off match or a tie is a very bad way to determine which team is better.You lose badly in one game and you go out of the cup.
You lose badly in one league game and you have 37 to make it up.
Leicester?And that's exactly what makes league a superior competition, as every team will have a couple of bad days. Football is also such a volatile game, that a one-off match or a tie is a very bad way to determine which team is better.
It's very possible to win a knockout competition even by a series of very mediocre games. Some recent examples are Portugal and Greece at Euros. Such a thing is impossible in a league competition. This is such a pointless debate, anyone with a shred of common sense is aware that cups are much more down to luck.
Both teams won it on merit by playing some great football and winning many matches, unlike Portugal and Greece. The table after 38 games doesn't lie. The margins on their wins were fine, and maybe they had a bit more luck than teams that were close to them. But no one can say that they fluked their way to the title while playing mediocre football. Which is often the case with cup winners (to various degrees).Leicester?
Also do you seriously think Atletico were the better side than Barca & Madrid when they won it?
Greece and Portugal both remained undefeated in their entire tournaments. Both beating France who were one of the favorites on both occasions.Both teams won it on merit by playing some great football and winning many matches, unlike Portugal and Greece. The table after 38 games doesn't lie. The margins on their wins were fine, and maybe they had a bit more luck than teams that were close to them. But no one can say they didn't fluke their way to the title while playing mediocre football. Which is often the case with cup winners, to various degrees.
That season, Atletico was as good as Barca and Madrid. Less talented, but incredibly resilient and well structured. A team doesn't win that much points by accident. Table doesn't lie.
Squeezing out draws through mediocre displays, while rarely ever winning, is not good enough to win the league. In a cup competition, as common wisdom goes, anything is possible.Greece and Portugal both remained undefeated in their entire tournaments. Both beating France who were one of the favorites on both occasions.
Whilst their football (Greece in particular) wasn’t good to watch, they were certainly efficient with what they wanted to achieve and did it very well.
You seem to have compeltely ignored my point that both beat France, who, if they had won, people would not be complaining.Squeezing out draws through mediocre displays, while rarely ever winning, is not good enough to win the league. In a cup competition, as common wisdom goes, anything is possible.
As I said, looking at a result of a one-off game or a tie is not a good way to judge teams. Or to fabricate narratives. That's why cup competitions are overrated.You seem to have compeltely ignored my point that both beat France, who, if they had won, people would not be complaining.
Yet when people who talk about the greatest club sides ever, the usual suspects are the ones who won multiple CL.As I said, looking at a result of a one-off game or a tie is not a good way to judge teams. Or to fabricate narratives. That's why cup competitions are overrated.
People talk stupid stuff all the time. Football mythology is often inflated and hollow.Yet when people who talk about the greatest club sides ever, the usual suspects are the ones who won multiple CL.
Teams who won multiple league titles rarely feature.
So who would you have as the best club sides of all time? A team who didn't win the CL?People talk stupid stuff all the time. Football mythology is often inflated and hollow.
Vs Real who are the most successful?That Barca team was the greatest club side of all time. Close the thread
Actually, the Stamford Bridge incident was heavily discussed in the 9th page of this discussion, if you bother to look.Some people here are making a case of Real getting lucky in CL to prove Pep's Barca's greatness? Have they forgotten the scandal of Stamford bridge which actually kick-started the entire saint Pep movement? It was a fecking disgrace.
Come on, now you are talking ridiculous stuff, acusing Guardiola's Barcelona of dopping.I know people joke about this, but it should never be ruled out.
winning 13 trophies out of a possible 16 I think Pep's Barcelona is the most succesfulVs Real who are the most successful?
You are forgetting some crucial details. In 2010, despite drawing 2-2, Barcelona destroyed Arsenal. They did not win only because they lost countless chances. The draw against Bayern in 2009 was after a 4-0 victory in the first leg. Even in their loss in against Arsenal in 2011, they were the better team in the first leg, had a goal wrongly ruled out as offside in the first leg and absolutely dominated Arsenal in the second leg. People talk about Van Persie's red, but Barcelona had a penalty not given and Arsenal did not have a single shot in the whole game, while Barcelona had 20 shots, 12 on target. Arsenal was schooled and outplayed in such a ridiculous way during the whole match, barely able to string four passes together, that Arsenal advancing would be one of the most freak results in all football, and Bendtner had a chance to put Arsesal through About the series of 4 clásicos, the first one was a La Liga game. The draw was already enough for Barcelona to consolidate their La Liga title. In the Copa Del Rey final, Barcelona clearly played in a level far below their usual, but it was a fair loss. In their 1-1 draw in the home leg of Champions League, they had already won the first game 2-0. They did not need to do much. Even then, if you bother to watch the full game, Barcelona dominated and played some fantastic football in that draw, they did not destroy Madrid only because they did not need to. They were by far the best team in both legs against Real Madrid. The first leg was a shameful in which neither team wanted to play football, only diving and fouls, Madrid was only sitting back and holding off Barcelona, and Madrid was lucky to only have one player sent off in that game.Pep's Barca can do whatever they want, at the end Zizou's Madrid will get the result.
There are too many rose-tinted glasses looking at Pep's Barca, their away record in CL was simply horrible compared to Madrid.
Also remember the 4 consecutive Clasicos within 2 weeks? Barca won just one out of 4, and that was due to horrible refereeing with Pepe being sent off for a non-challenge on Alves' dive (also another legit goal by Higuain was ruled out in the away match, or that'd have been another win).
Now that Madrid side wasn't nearly as good as Zizou's Madrid, especially last season's version when they were at their peak.
How is this an 11 page debate. That Barcelona side is in a completely different league than Zidane's Real.
Zidane's Real was very successful in the CL, not necessarily very good.
Relatively speaking obviously.
Zidane took over halfway through a season and had the best win ratio of any team in La Liga during his period taking over in the first season, and he won the CL. The second year, he won both La Liga and the CL, the third year they were bad but still won the CL.How is this an 11 page debate. That Barcelona side is in a completely different league than Zidane's Real.
Zidane's Real was very successful in the CL, not necessarily very good.
Relatively speaking obviously.
It was Zidanes team because he introduced the likes of Casemiro, Vazquez, Asensio eetc and gave the team the balance they lacked before. He also didn't use the BBC front line all the time like his predecessor. It wasn't just the best names on the pitch but a cohesive unit of players.I don't even understand why people say "Zidane's Madrid". There were so many people involved in building this team. Zidane pretty much took over an aging team in decline and did a fantastic job in getting the most out of it. The real rebuilding job starts now.
Because he was the coach and gave the team his imprint? I mean, by the same token, there's no such thing as "Guardiola's Barcelona"I don't even understand why people say "Zidane's Madrid". There were so many people involved in building this team. Zidane pretty much took over an aging team in decline and did a fantastic job in getting the most out of it. The real rebuilding job starts now.
While I believe winning 3 straight CL’s certainly provides consideration for one of the best teams ever, I don’t understand how they eclipsed Peps Barca. He had 2 CL’s to Zidane’s 3 so their comparable. Yet, Pep has more league titles and is considered by most to have had the best team ever so Barca should still be ahead.You can't argue with winning the CL three times in a row, you just can't. Zidane has definitely eclipsed THAT Barcelona team.
There needs to be context to those away games. Also, that Barcelona is extremely loved and acclaimed everywhere, not only on this board, and deservedly so. At their best, they were super-natural, godlike.Yeah, not much is spoken about their terrible away record in CL for an all-time great team. I think reason why that side is slightly overrated on this board is because of the way they schooled us in 2 CL Finals.
Great point, even in tonight's match despite the intense pressure Liverpool put them early on. They didn't lose their head and start hoofing, displayed lot of composure to hang in there and eventually got into the game more. Even after giving away a cheap equalizer they carried on well, hallmark of a great team.
In that case Pep's Barca was straight up mediocre in the CL.Zidane's Real was very successful in the CL, not necessarily very good.
Haha no they haven’t. What zidane achieved is incredible, by a majority will always pick Pep’s Barca side. They will go down as the greatest side in club history.You can't argue with winning the CL three times in a row, you just can't. Zidane has definitely eclipsed THAT Barcelona team.