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Absolutely brilliant news, whatever the reasons for doing so. Hope more high profile sports teams, celebs, organisations take a shit on israel. The more the merrier.
Understood.A lot of the Islamic terrorist funding originates in Qatar. That was what my point was.
Also just because Muslim countries suffer from Islamic terrorism, does that somehow discount that other countries don't? Also I said nothing about Muslims or non Muslims here. Islamic terrorism is a global problem, but the countries which least deserve it have all the rights to call a spade, a spade.
It should be. No one should boycott playing with the Israel team but them hosting a match in Jerusalem is 100 percent politicalPolitics and football should be separated. Just saw a picture with a woman holding an Argentina shirt with blood all over it. Doesnt make any sense to me
That is obvious. Media/politics play a large part in biased viewsBeing allies with the big daddy helps
It's not even that, they've played plenty of matches in Jerusalem before (including against Argentina) and playing there needn't have any political connotations since the stadium is located firmly in West Jerusalem. What's different here is the current context with the recent US embassy move and the Israeli relocation of the match for obvious propaganda purposes.It should be. No one should boycott playing with the Israel team but them hosting a match in Jerusalem is 100 percent political
Totally, another example was the "see you in Jerusalem" the singer that won Eurovision said at the end of her performance.It's not even that, they've played plenty of matches in Jerusalem before (including against Argentina) and playing there needn't have any political connotations since the stadium is located firmly in West Jerusalem. What's different here is the current context with the recent US embassy move and the Israeli relocation of the match for obvious propaganda purposes.
I tend to agree with your view, but it's honestly difficult to know what is right or wrong.Agree with this.
In four years time a World Cup will be played in stadiums built by slaves according to many reports.
Whatever you think about the Israeli government’s policies, if you boycott playing Israel then how can you justify playing in arenas built by slaves? 4,000 of whom have allegedly died building grounds for Qatar 2022.
Once you start bringing outside stuff into football it shines a light on the whole lot of us, and we don’t look good under the spotlight.
I have genuinely never been as shocked by the Caf's reaction to an issue as by some of the posts in this thread. I totally agree that it is disgusting.I really hope Israel doesn't deter in its ways of dealing with the stone pelters. India could learn a thing from the Israelis.
Edit : I can see so many posters defending this. It's hilarious.
Also, players safety? It's Israel we are talking about. One of the safest countries in the world. The match was cancelled because Argentina doesn't want to get involved in a fight with the Arab countries. It's just a political decision and it's disgusting people are defending it.
Argentina's reason for cancelling the match notwithstanding, it seems that the match was moved to Jerusalem for political reasons. Isreal was absolutely wrong in doing this. They should've let the match go on at Haifa and I think no-one would've said anything.I really hope Israel doesn't deter in its ways of dealing with the stone pelters. India could learn a thing from the Israelis.
Edit : I can see so many posters defending this. It's hilarious.
Also, players safety? It's Israel we are talking about. One of the safest countries in the world. The match was cancelled because Argentina doesn't want to get involved in a fight with the Arab countries. It's just a political decision and it's disgusting people are defending it.
I was going to say this.If you take the issue of apartheid in South Africa, it could be argued that boycotting sport in that country and banning athletes from major competitions played a significant role in the changes in the nation, which have undoubtedly been positive, even if South Africa still has massive social problems.
You can't justify it, and there absolutely should be no World Cup in Qatar.Agree with this.
In four years time a World Cup will be played in stadiums built by slaves according to many reports.
Whatever you think about the Israeli government’s policies, if you boycott playing Israel then how can you justify playing in arenas built by slaves? 4,000 of whom have allegedly died building grounds for Qatar 2022.
Once you start bringing outside stuff into football it shines a light on the whole lot of us, and we don’t look good under the spotlight.
No it wasn't, Messi and Mascherano were the ones who pressured the AFA to cancel the match, probably because they felt they were being used as a political tool right before the last frigging World Cup in this squad's eraI really hope Israel doesn't deter in its ways of dealing with the stone pelters. India could learn a thing from the Israelis.
Edit : I can see so many posters defending this. It's hilarious.
Also, players safety? It's Israel we are talking about. One of the safest countries in the world. The match was cancelled because Argentina doesn't want to get involved in a fight with the Arab countries. It's just a political decision and it's disgusting people are defending it.
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Agreed 100%.I really hope Israel doesn't deter in its ways of dealing with the stone pelters. India could learn a thing from the Israelis.
Edit : I can see so many posters defending this. It's hilarious.
Also, players safety? It's Israel we are talking about. One of the safest countries in the world. The match was cancelled because Argentina doesn't want to get involved in a fight with the Arab countries. It's just a political decision and it's disgusting people are defending it.
Even if we assume you're right - how is it a bad decision on their part? Obviously they don't want to get into a fight with anyone, hence the decision to back away from a politically charged situation. It's you who are making it a statement of sorts. You're being irrational.I really hope Israel doesn't deter in its ways of dealing with the stone pelters. India could learn a thing from the Israelis.
Edit : I can see so many posters defending this. It's hilarious.
Also, players safety? It's Israel we are talking about. One of the safest countries in the world. The match was cancelled because Argentina doesn't want to get involved in a fight with the Arab countries. It's just a political decision and it's disgusting people are defending it.
Bingo.Looks like Israel were the first to politicize the game.
What does that have to do with criticising what Argentina are doing now?Well even your Prime Minister David Cameron said while in office that "as with many of problems that exist worldwide we are are responsible for their creation "
What does that have to do with criticising what Argentina are doing now?
No, they didn't.Agreed 100%.
It is a political decision and by canceling a planned match in Israel’s capital, Argentina basically chose a side. Hope they lose another WC final.
While the international community regards East Jerusalem, including the entire Old City, as part of the occupied Palestinian territories, neither part, West or East Jerusalem, is recognized as part of the territory of Israel or the State of Palestine. Under the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations in 1947, Jerusalem was envisaged to become a corpus separatum administered by the United Nations. In the war of 1948, the western part of the city was occupied by forces of the nascent state of Israel, while the eastern part was occupied by Jordan. The international community largely considers the legal status of Jerusalem to derive from the partition plan, and correspondingly refuses to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the city.
If Spain were to emit a law tomorrow saying that Gibraltar becomes the capital, but the international community rejected it, would you still say Gibraltar is the capital of Spain?. You're doing something similar with Jerusalem, which implies that either you're argumenting from an already biased point, or that the propaganda has already worked.The Reunification of Jerusalem refers to the June 1967 administrative merger of West Jerusalem and East Jerusalem by Israel, following the conquest of the Eastern half of the city (including the walled Old City) from Jordanduring the Six Day War. In 1980, the merger of West and East Jerusalem was legalized in Israel by the Jerusalem Law, though this move was rejected by the UN and most of the international community.
He can criticise anything he wants. He isn't Britain.Morality doesn't have a time frame ..with the history of atrocities committed by Britain it's a bit rich to develop a moral stance now and criticise something Argentina did in 1994
Which is what I answered in the first place
Was initially scheduled for Tel Aviv until Meri Regev, a known racist changed it. Even spent millions doing so.Was the match always scheduled to be played in Jeruselum or was it moved right at the end?
The solution to all what you typed, is not to say, "we can't tackle it all in a non-hypocritical way, so let's not do anything". There is plenty of room for improvement. This is a good step. Hopefully athletes don't "shut up and play", and use their influence to shine light on abuses and atrocities all over the world. Yes, including the United States.I tend to agree with your view, but it's honestly difficult to know what is right or wrong.
If you take the issue of apartheid in South Africa, it could be argued that boycotting sport in that country and banning athletes from major competitions played a significant role in the changes in the nation, which have undoubtedly been positive, even if South Africa still has massive social problems.
Conversely, I'm not sure I agree with sporting boycotts for the reasons that you succinctly pointed out. For example, if someone from United was to say "I'm not willing to play in the US because I don't agree with their foreign policy over several decades," this would be hugely contentious, and would have a profound impact on that person's life. Undoubtedly, he would be absolutely savaged in the American media in particular.
But if you were to pose the question of which government has done more damage, the US or South African, I'd have a very hard time arguing that it was South Africa. And the US can't even come down too hard on the "apartheid was abhorrent" angle (which it was) because they effectively had apartheid in numerous states for hundreds of years, and there are still massive racial divisions to this day. Plus, the country was founded on a slaughter of the native people!
Having said that, considering the brutal slaughter that Israel has been involved in, it would sadden me to see someone I hugely admire like Messi involved in a 'friendly' with Israel at this time. Or any time, really. I do think this is the right decision, but you are absolutely correct that such decisions are fraught with contradictions and hypocrisy.
Yea then it was clearly a political move and good of Argentina to not get involved in it.Was initially scheduled for Tel Aviv until Meri Regev, a known racist changed it. Even spent millions doing so.
It should.It’s a football match.
If we’re going to allow political morality to determine what sports should be played where, then the World Cup in Russia should be cancelled with immediate effect.
How? Basically, the Argie players did not want to pick a side.Agreed 100%.
It is a political decision and by canceling a planned match in Israel’s capital, Argentina basically chose a side. Hope they lose another WC final.
I think a state that engages in legalized slavery, or systematic oppression of some of it's citizens/residents, should not host events and be ostracized by the global community, yes.It’s a football match.
If we’re going to allow political morality to determine what sports should be played where, then the World Cup in Russia should be cancelled with immediate effect.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...orting-event-is-a-traffic-nightmare-1.6053556Biggest in the world? What was it?
It is one of the 3 Grand Tour races, had to look it up had no idea.Biggest in the world? What was it?
I understand your point, Israel had no business rescheduling an already scheduled game and forcing the Argies into an uncomfortable situation.How? Basically, the Argie players did not want to pick a side.
Israel moved the game from Haifa to Jerusalem for obviously political reasons.
Nah we're good. No need to learn anything from the civilian murderers.I really hope Israel doesn't deter in its ways of dealing with the stone pelters. India could learn a thing from the Israelis.