We haven't seen the last of this. It's going to become clear next week who HMG have led up a merry dance.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
UK left themselves in the situation in which there can be no winners politically, country is divided as they get so sensible thing to do would be to put the economy and well-being of people first.
But when, the clock is ticking as Michel Barnier reminds the UK quite often, there is very little time left for anything.
The whole thing was avoidable. If leading politicians after the Brexit vote took the sensible approach that what followed should have been a national debate/consultation as to what Brexit meant we could have spent these last two years really discussing issues like the single market, the customs union and freedom of movement. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to not create an environment in which debate about what kind of future relationship we wanted wasn't considered toxic.
Sadly what happened is Nigel Farage broke wind and Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn have spend 2 years falling over themselves over who could be seen to agree with him more. Didn't have to be like this, it really didn't.
Sadly what happened is Nigel Farage broke wind and Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn have spend 2 years falling over themselves over who could be seen to agree with him more. Didn't have to be like this, it really didn't.
Yeah. When coming from full membership, soft Brexit seems pointless. However, Brexit is happening either way so it's better to be soft.
I don't get this talk that if we don't have a definitive, cast-iron leave date that there's no incentive for the 27 to give us a good deal. What incentive is there for them to do that anyway?
9 months away from leaving the EU and progress-wise on key points we're literally we were on the day of the referendum. They are yet to come up with any meaningful strategy/vision on what will brexit entail and how it is going to be achieved, mind blowing. No accountability seen here, two years of doing feck all - I presume it's laziness/ignorance in play.
I think this ignores a lot of what happened around Brexit.
From the start it now should have been evident that the only Brexit we could implement was one which didn't violate the GFA in Northern Ireland, which is a soft Brexit and remaining in the CU/SM. That was something any rational politician should've been able to realise within five minutes, and it's not something that required any widespread consultation.
For me this ignores a lot of what happened before the vote: freedom of movement was made central to the vote, and so people were made to think this was something that could happen irrespective of what path we took. We fecked it long before the vote, and even pro-EU politicians had arguably been fecking it for years by fawning to the public with harsh rhetoric on immigration while not planning to actually do anything about it.
Any consultation post-Brexit would've had people demanding that the central tenants of Brexit were made, i.e. that freedom of movement from the EU was now in our hands. The problem was that the only vision of Brexit under which that could be implemented was the softest one.
Spot on mate, the prevailing incompetence is astonishing. How did those people end up in their respective positions I don't understand.
Yeah. We've reach squeaky bum time after spending two years faffing about. I still think a deal will happen, somehow. I work for a French investment bank and in a meeting not long ago. Our head of operations was convinced CU/SM deal would happen. Don't know if it was his opinion or he knows something we don't. Seems other banks to are convinced that's what will happen.
None. It is in the interest of of a united EU that we don't benefit from leaving.
You work for BNP by any chance?
I thought you meant the political party for a moment there and was struggling to see what was so offensive about his post.
oh shit now that you said itI thought you meant the political party for a moment there and was struggling to see what was so offensive about his post.
EU's preferences of outcome surely has to be.
1) UK ends up staying in EU after all
2) It crashes out and suffers terribly acting as an ever-lasting disincentive for anyone else thinking of following their lead.
Never understood how people were convinced the EU were willing to make leaving at all an attractive proposition. Even if it does damage the remaining 27 economically, it's likely to be considered a hit worth taking in the long run and in any even collectively they'll be impacted a lot less than we will, proportionally.
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Detective Pexbo ratted this one out months agoLeave.EU co-founder Aaron Banks:
Here's where it get's even more juicy.....OK so here we go:
westmonster.com whois lookup:
ADMINISTRATIVE CONTACT
Name:
Domains Administrator
Organization:
Eldon Insurance Services Limited
Street:
Lysander House Catbrain Lane, Cribbs Causeway
City:
Bristol
State:
South Gloucestershire
Postal Code:
BS10 7TQ
Country:
GB
Phone:
+44.8449029778
Email:
@eldoninsurance.co.uk
Eldon Insurance Services Founder: Arron Banks
Is it a trustworthy source?
feck no
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/adam-ramsay/how-did-arron-banks-afford-brexit
EDIT - More on Ekaterina Paderina, an article from 2010:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/po...l-Democrat-MP-helped-second-Russian-girl.html
Last year, everyone was saying how slow the negotiations were but at least, some kind of fudged agreement was reached in time for Xmas.
During the past 6 months I don't see any progress whatsoever.
I'm not surprised the banks think like this because the alternative is unimaginable and they expect sanity to prevail in the end.
I agree. You can't allow leaving to be perceived as being beneficial.
Well that just makes it sound like a **** or a dictatorship, this is what North Korea does.
Which MP do you guys hate most?
Mine has to be Dorries. Every time I see her, I ask who voted for this muppet?
Mine has to be Dorries. Every time I see her, I ask who voted for this muppet?
How is it a **** or dictatorship if every member state get's a vote. Blame the UK that one state can veto the agreement though.
Its allowed to be beneficial, honestly I think most EU countries would like it to be. We're linked regardless and your economy going down the toilet wont help anyone.
Your not allowed gain the benefits of membership without the costs, which is just obvious really.
It's not a dictatorship. It's called common sense due to self-preservation.
That's what I mean. They want free trade without free movement or answering to the European Courts on Human Rights.
I want free trade, free movement and the ECHR.
I just meant how it sounded rather than what it is, in any case I don't think the EU is punishing the UK as such, it was just the circumstances and laws in place mean the UK has suffered/will suffer because of it. Furthermore, it wouldn't benefit the EU to ostracise the UK completely.
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Completely agree.
Oh God, so many. Jacob Rees-Mogg, Kate Hoey, John Redwood, Peter Bone, Diane Abbot, Boris Johnson...
Not a huge fan of Caroline Flint, Richard Burgon or...
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I like Abbott. She's not the sharpest tool in the box but doesn't pretend to be and by all accounts, is an excellent MP.
The rest are cnuts. Redwood is a fecking condescending mf. Boris and Mogg are clowns.
My problem with Abbott is partially superficial. The way she talks when answering a question as if everyone is hearing the English language for the very first time is super irritating.
It won't but it can't be seen to be given us special treatment. It actually can't legally give us special treatment. The UK has no choice but to accept what's on the table or leave. So actually, we'd be the ones ostracising the EU.
If I left my book club but said I wanted to still continue meeting up each week, still have a say on what books were read each week but I didn't wouldn't be contributing towards the wine and the snacks any longer, but would be enjoying them - the rest wouldn't be acting like North Korea if they told me to piss off.
Exactly - but Brexiters havent figured this out.
These idiots took weak and wobbly at her word .
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I have seen that several times and already addressed it but the ECHR isn't the EU, it's part of the Council of Europe, the institution above the EU that counts 47 countries including Russia.
Conservative party insurrection incoming..
To be fair it could just be number 10 sources putting out some bullshit now to calm the extreme Brexiters before later doing what was agreed.
Tory MP's all getting extremely paranoid and potentially stabbing each other in the back about the one good thing that's come from Brexit so far.
The 'Tory rebels' will do sweet feck all, other than be carried on centrist shoulders like conquering heroes, as usual.
Hopes and dreams.
I've never understood why Brexiteers thought the EU had any obligation whatsoever to make things even remotely easier for us by doing any sort of deal.
We're leaving them, they don't have to do anything at all.