Ronaldo is the goat

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The GOAT discussions unfairly leave out midfielders and defenders. It's not outlandish to have him as a top 10 player of all time.
Because usually they are not as good as the attackers. If you have the chance to get one from the best attacker, midfielder and defender in the world, more often that not, you get the attacker. No coincidence that from 10 most expensive signings of all time, there are 8 attacking players. On top 20, there are 16.

Having a great attacker increases the chances of winning more than having a great keeper, defender or midfielder (in most cases). That is why, in these discussions (same as for the best player currently in the world, Ballon D'Or etc), the attacking players dominate the lists. Nothing unfair about it.
 

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His battle v godin and gimenez should be fascinating. Ronaldo regularly gets the better of Atletico and id say the rest of the Uruguay defence isn’t quite at Juan Fran/vrsaljko Filipe Luis level.

Maybe quaresma or Bernardo Silva steps up but Portugal’s chances hinge more on ronaldo here than maybe any game in their history. Sure he was brilliant v Spain but that was a gloves off “we should both get 6 points anyway” kind of match, this is straight knockout and if he performs to the occasion he’ll be a candidate for POTT even if they don’t get past France/Argentina.
 

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His battle v godin and gimenez should be fascinating. Ronaldo regularly gets the better of Atletico and id say the rest of the Uruguay defence isn’t quite at Juan Fran/vrsaljko Filipe Luis level.

Maybe quaresma or Bernardo Silva steps up but Portugal’s chances hinge more on ronaldo here than maybe any game in their history. Sure he was brilliant v Spain but that was a gloves off “we should both get 6 points anyway” kind of match, this is straight knockout and if he performs to the occasion he’ll be a candidate for POTT even if they don’t get past France/Argentina.
Only to someone who knew nothing about Iran and Morocco which was absolutely not the case to anyone on the pitch or to any of the portuguese fans watching. If we lose the Spain match we'd have been in big trouble. We drew and we were still in big trouble.

As for the Uruguay match, I think it will be as cagey as football matches get and it's going to be a very difficult match for a forward to look great in. It feels like a 0-0 that goes to penalties or a game decided on set pieces and defensive mistakes. How we hold up defensively will be far more important than how we do in attack.
 

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Ronaldo is the goat! How is it even possible at 33!
Cristiano Ronaldo has clocked the fastest speed so far with a dash at 34 km/h during the world cup

Ronaldo Portugal 34.0
Rebic Croatia 33.3
Urena Costa Rica 33.1
Leckie Australia 32.8
Hakimi Morocco 32.8
Gonzalez Costa Rica 32.8
Lukaku Belgium 32.8
Bolanos Costa Rica 32.8
Pique Spain 32.6
 

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Ronaldo is the goat! How is it even possible at 33!
Cristiano Ronaldo has clocked the fastest speed so far with a dash at 34 km/h during the world cup

Ronaldo Portugal 34.0
Rebic Croatia 33.3
Urena Costa Rica 33.1
Leckie Australia 32.8
Hakimi Morocco 32.8
Gonzalez Costa Rica 32.8
Lukaku Belgium 32.8
Bolanos Costa Rica 32.8
Pique Spain 32.6

This metric once said Chicha was the quickest player in the premier league.....
 

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Because usually they are not as good as the attackers. If you have the chance to get one from the best attacker, midfielder and defender in the world, more often that not, you get the attacker. No coincidence that from 10 most expensive signings of all time, there are 8 attacking players. On top 20, there are 16.

Having a great attacker increases the chances of winning more than having a great keeper, defender or midfielder (in most cases). That is why, in these discussions (same as for the best player currently in the world, Ballon D'Or etc), the attacking players dominate the lists. Nothing unfair about it.
Not necessarily. Barcelona had their golden period when they had, by far, the best midfield in the world. Madrid came roaring back to win 4 CLs when they had they had, by far, the best midfield in the world.
 

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You'd have to be soft in the head to place him at the very top of the best ever players.
 

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The funniest thing is the bollocks people were spouting about how Ronaldo would've scored the penalty v Iceland that Messi missed and yet as it turns out his penalty miss v Iran has just cost them their place in the world cup. If he'd scored that they'd be playing Russia tomorrow.
 

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Where is his performance thread?

I want to bump it since each time the Argentinian Goalkeeper throws the ball into his net the Messi thread gets inundated on how he is not running back in defence and dribbling the ball the length of the pitch and scoring.
 

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Can we give the title back to Pelé?
 

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No he is not the greatest player of all time.
I have no idea who the greatest player of all time is but it's not Ronaldo. He is too dependent on service. His impact today was to wait for a cross.
 

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I have no idea who the greatest player of all time is but it's not Ronaldo. He is too dependent on service. His impact today was to wait for a cross.
Personally, my problem with that title is that there is a clear bias for goalscorers. For all I know the best player ever is a CB or a DM.
 

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Personally, my problem with that title is that there is a clear bias for goalscorers. For all I know the best player ever is a CB or a DM.
You went too far.

I don't think it's about goalscorers. Or at least it shouldn't be. Maradona isn't considered that by many because of merely goalscoring. It's probably because it was obvious he was a once in a few decades footballing genius. Of course application is as important. But it's hard to define genius. Like federer in tennis. You can see the gifts/the class. They stand out from a mile away.
 

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You went too far.

I don't think it's about goalscorers. Or at least it shouldn't be. Maradona isn't considered that by many because of merely goalscoring. It's probably because it was obvious he was a once in a few decades footballing genius. Of course application is as important. But it's hard to define genius. Like federer in tennis. You can see the gifts/the class. They stand out from a mile away.
They have leadership qualities. They can make players around them play better.
 

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They have leadership qualities. They can make players around them play better.
All great players do that. Ronaldo made our team better. Messi made Barcelona better. Zidane made whoever better. Seems rather vague.
 

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Significantly better tournament than Messi while playing for a lesser side.
Not at all. Ronaldo had one brilliant game in the group stage. His round of 16 peformance was just awful though. He literally did nothing.

Glad they didn't face off in the quarters. France vs Uruguay is much better and free from al the bullshit.