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This is spot on. There are some that can't view Pogba objectively. I've heard a few people say that Pogba was horrible against Uruguay and it was a 'typical brainless performance'. These are people who don't even watch United and get to see Pogba less than 10 times a season at most.
Hopefully Jose feels similar
I see that often with Liverpool fans especially - Liverpoolitis I call it - where they can be reasonable and logical on all things football except anything having to do with LFC or United. Then everything defies logic and reason. Similar with Pogba, who can apparently do no right for some.
The article says that the speed is what has helped him in the France setup. Then shoehorns Martial into the United team despite him being a statue of a player that always wants the ball to feet. He must be a part of Martial FC.Yeah, I know a couple that say "I never watch United. They are boring", so only watch them against Liverpool and I ask "Well how can you say he's so bad when you don't see him play?", they said "Against Liverpool he was awful he was the worst player on the field" and of course he didn't play either game against Liverpool last season. I point that out and it's just "He's shit he's shit".
It might be a bit sacrilegious but I wouldnt mind France or Belgium beating England in the final because of Pogba and Lukaku. Of course I would want England to win, but watching one of them lift the cup would be some consolation. Over the years my patience for England has waned especially considering how they have treated United players and idolised non united players.
Club > country, always.
My sentiments exactly 100%. Lukaku is another one that I always have to hear nonstop nonsense about.
This is unique amongst United fans I think, because we have been the arch enemy of every club due to dominating the league for so long. Non United fans seem to take pleasure in slating United players when they play for England. I have never had any desire to do that, and want England to do well regardless of who plays.
Yep, Lukaku was called a donkey and Morata was seen as the clearly better player by loads of people. Lukaku proved people wrong and I love it.
Of course, and I'd love to see Rashford lift the World Cup.
One was tapped as the "intelligent" option while the other was tapped as simply "pace and power" - surprising, I know...
Yep, stereotyping Lukaku into a box that he did not fit whatsoever. Morata is almost useless outside of headers while Lukaku's biggest weakness is his back to goal in physical confrontations.
That should go for Martial himself. I meant it's clearly tactic wise how Mourinho wants to use Martial & Rashford. Rashford has the willingness for the role, but Rashford ain't tidy enough with his dribbling and had been through a bad form. Martial is just very different from Mbappe in quite many ways. For that role to work it requires Martial cooperation and willingness to change. This season he had been sharper compare to the previous but his game is still the same.
I'd take England winning the World Cup over United winning the CL next season to be honest.
Pace is just one thing. Willingness to run, movement is another thing. Rashford is closer to that of Mbappe's style, yet the journalist decided to namedrop Martial instead. It's more a lazy case of compatriot comparison rather than looking at the players themselves. Let's not forget there was outrage on here with people saying plenty of thing about how Martial was pushed out of his favorite position to play on the right! Mbappe has underwhelming game here and there too. The difference is the effort, enthusiasm he puts into his game wherever he is employed in the team attack.
I would as well.Why?
I would too, without a second thought tbh.
I deleted my post was later I realized this argument was made numerous times and it just ends up in circles.
It's similar tactic to game vs Peru which I wrote summary about key difference to the definite midfield 3 of France first game somewhere in this thread. Mbappe has a pseudo forward/right winger role. It's not full freedom, yet not fully restriction placed on him. His game intelligence is not stated enough. He had to provide enough width to lest the ball being played too much outwide in the build up toward Pavard for the obvious reason, yet he is needed to help linkin gup, unlocking opposition defense centrally, even on the left side when the play is in final third. He did all those while leaving very little gap, hiccup in transition. Matuidi would, but many occasion he was played as left winger to provide width. It's not the kind of tactic that can be written down by number, but needs more analysis. Midfield double pivot was maintained in longer period of the game than midfield 3, so the article is not very wrong
Dont worry. I dont think England can get past Sweden.
Yeah same against Peru too. Matuidi isn't a winger, Matuidi always played that role, he was a work horse who made so many runs and helped his team defensively. He was a midfielder.
Not always that role. That's for sure. You can pull up France qualification game, or Juventus and see distinct difference in the role. The heat of this game show a U shape (same color intensity). So it fits what I described Matuidi had to stick out wide to help defend the flank when Argentine. He would need to help prodive width when France build up the attack. Other time he stationed centrally, it's around middle third of the pitch. It's not a side midfielder heat map. As I said you can compare his own heat map from games in the past for Juve, PSG and France outside of this WC. It's a new role being worked out to patch issues from the Australia game (I also wrote about it how Australia exploit the space on the flank to avoid confrontation in midfield battle. I disagreed with people saying A.Mooy boss the midfield battle. It's a tactical exploit from Australia, but they didn't have quality to see it through. Deschamps didn't have a counter and had to rely on individual quality for the result).
Well I'm saying more or less the same, point is it wasn't 4-2-3-1 like mentioned in the article. He had different roles when France had possession and when when they were defending. He wasn't a pure winger and wasn't a pure CM.
I remember Pogba absolutely bossing the England midfield in a friendly in Paris last year. I'm sure if it came to an France vs England final he would do the same again.
Yep that was proper men against boys stuff.
He's playing that bad that you have to rewind a year?
He would, and it’d be painful to watch as an England fan.
Can't wait to watch him actually. It's a great day that we can watch Pogba and then Lukaku in WC quarter finals. Here's hoping they both progress.
can't be English. I would never imagine a French person wanting Brazil to beat them because of Neymar. That's just weird. They are players, employees of a club you follow, nothing more. They will break your heart just as easy and go and play for another club. Pogba did this already.
Me too. I have never had the pleasure of seeing my home nation win anything. I have been around for 2 of United CL wins. I have fond memories of euro 96 when I was a boy.
yep.
Wanting our country to succeed for the first time in over 5 decades. Mavericks!
I have always supported England just like United. I watch every single game I can, no matter how low profile that game might be. Follow both youth sides too. United have won so much in my lifetime whilst England have won nothing. Its an easy decision from my point of view.
